Council reduces motorized boat hours at Marine Stadium during schoo...

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The City Council voted unanimously Tuesday to reduce motorized boating and waterskiing hours at Marine Stadium to accommodate a youth rowing club, which uses the waterway for after-school practice.

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This was certainly not the rowing communities finest hour.Indeed it,and the run up to
this evening will stain the heretofore good name of the rowing community which tides 'of a
thousand years will not wash away.

In sum the current ":leadership-"of the LBJC-which up until two years ago was the
flag ship of stability within the rowing community-is so dysfunctional and poorly run
that:

l.Despite the fact it has circa 200 + parents in the LBJC parent organization they
are unable to fill positions of its board(central to the stability of LBJC)because they
are apparently unable to find parents with kids in the program willing to work with
the current leadership.

2.Two years ago it effective discharged ciirca 80% of the nationally recognized coaching
replacing them with nice,young people who so lack the knowledge and maturity of
seasoned coaches.

More in a moment:

Laurence B. Goodhue
Twice elected president of LBRA--whose board jump started what what is now LBJC-
in 1986.
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The LBJC "leadership"=which is essentially void of any meaningful understanding of rowing last month-
effectively discharged the one mature adult,seasoned
business man it bring in two years ago.

Hence the LBJC Parent President listened to a head
coach(nice enough person,rowed in Olympics)who has
little or no real understanding of the import of the
working relations among various stakeholders--and
summarily dismisses,as does the current LBJC Parent
president---water skiers who for a variety of reasons can water ski only the late afternoon.

Clearly LBJC with good coaching can do more than just
fine with existing access hours--and having been sodoing so since 1986.

More to the point they always have the option of
practice in the early am.Yes such a shift might mean
one person who lives in Pasadena -might have to
row elsewhere--BUT IT IS POOR POLICY TO TURN EVERY
ONE ELSE UPSIDE DOWN FOR ONE PERSON---OR BECAUSE OF
CLUE LESS LEADERSHIP.

In a moment:

l.The extortion;deal with the devil.
2.The public safety concerns thrown to the wind
by an arrogant City Attorney who did not to
his sums.
3.Personal financial exposure Council members face
resulting from their decision to usher in
swimming and wading in the water skiing venue.

Laurence B. Goodhue
Long Beach
Paul Wilkins

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I welcome the change. Marine Stadium is vastly underutilized. Under present rules rowing teams must be out of the stadium by 8 AM. Very few waterski boats use the stadium that early. Many times there are no waterski boats there, but the rowers can't use the stadium. This change is common sense and will greatly expand usage of a precious resource here in Long Beach.
In truth, the change vastly enhances waterway usage for the Junior teams (and in fact all the rowers in Long Beach) without limiting the use of the facility but for a very few waterskiers for part of the year.
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To many,including this individual throwing the water
skiers under the bus was tantamount to something which approaches extortion--or at the very least
smells---and it is not Channel #5.

Remember the year long + well reasoned,sound,opposition to the three contentious
components of the otherwise fine Marina Re Build
Plan:

l.Constricting,narrowing,reduc ing the active transit
lanes of the Inland Water Ways of the US by:

A.Extending docks from Basin 4 into the transit
lanes for larger boats-which are essentially a
big money enterprise which really belong in the
downtown Marina built for larger baots.

B.Proposed new long dock at the blind corner by
LBJC which would be:

1.One third the lenght of the Queen Mary.
2.60 feet shorter than Virgina Class Submarine.
3.Longer that US Coast Guard Eagle.
4 So long that if it had wheels-Laura Richrdson
would be driving it.

All of which portend the size of th boats it
would beckon into the small boat Marina.

C. Impregnating the City and State Landmark
protect waters so protected not just for
roweERS--but for all SMALL BOATING RECREATIONAL
ACTIVITY.

D. To off set the damage of A-C:the plan to
convert the terra firms used for rowing shell
trailers to eel grass bed

The opposition suddenly was dropped: In sum the
"leadership" of LBRA and LBJC grab the feet of the
water skiers-Mark Sandoval grap the arms(with the
blessing of the far from diligent or humble City
Attorney and subious assistance of Councilman
De Long and O'Donnel-threw the water skiers under
the bus---so at the end of the day=circa but 20
people could liquor up at their LBYC bar!!!!!

More in a moment:
Laurence B. Goodhue
Long Beach
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Comes now the public issue ie---ushering swimming and
wadding into the small water skiing venue--which could have been done by simply stating:

ENTRY INTO THE WATER PERMITTED ONLY BY THOSE ACTIVELY
ENGAGED IN PERMITTED BOATING ACTIVITY.

Thus worded boaters could do what they have to.

The ordinance passed this evening precludes no one
from entering the water which means--the hard core
including the criminal element who feel that the
soft launch area is their own private beach-will use
is-as they do now as their own private swimming beach.

In time:

The numbers will grow.
Some unlander unschooled in matters aquatic will
have their face or foot sliced offf by a boat prop.
The City insurance Company will not pay.
City Council members insurance company will not pay.
Plaintiff's attorney's will strip ever dollar.every
dime.every hidden trust the arrogant,complicit,
negligent has---rendering them to living in a
Maytag or Whirlpool freezer box under the Shoemaker
Bridge.

And of course the insurance company will require
the area be bouyed off like Mother's Beach.Within
ten years Long Beach will be but a backwater of
rowing.

In a moment a review of the far from diligent
far from diligent Long Beach City:

Laurence B. Goodhue
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Most have been accustomed to the incompetence of

PAT WEST
PHIL HESTER
MARK SANDOVAL

when it comes to matters marine---inspite of their
combine salaries of well overA HALF MILLION DOLLARS
MARINE....

Their incompetence is matched by the lack of diligence and an apparent lazy streak by the
far from humble City Attorney-----who never bothered
to read the applicable City Code.

The City Code-clearly posted wisely states that
water skiers CAN NOT MOOR THEIR BOATS BUT MUST
have the bow-essentially kiss the beach.

Yet in,Sandoval plan--mooring is central to ushering
in swimming and boating by non boaters.The water
between the bow and sand is the intended portal
for those who want to use it as Mother's Beach or
Colorado Lagoon.

Next what the City Attorney withheld from Council.

Laurence B.Goodhue
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Paul Wilkins wrote:
I welcome the change. Marine Stadium is vastly underutilized. Under present rules rowing teams must be out of the stadium by 8 AM. Very few waterski boats use the stadium that early. Many times there are no waterski boats there, but the rowers can't use the stadium. This change is common sense and will greatly expand usage of a precious resource here in Long Beach.
In truth, the change vastly enhances waterway usage for the Junior teams (and in fact all the rowers in Long Beach) without limiting the use of the facility but for a very few waterskiers for part of the year.
The majority of rowers are indeed off the water during the week by 8:00AM.Most are
on their way to school or work.

More to the point:For years we had kids on the water at 5:30AM--great practice;great
results;GRADE GRADES IN SCHOOL.

NO WHINING COACHES saying more water is needed!!!

For the few that are not there is ample water to use,which during the week days
is far from crowded.Another circa 600 meters has no meaningful.

It is like the syndrome often observed the rower or coach says they MUST have the
newest model boat--because such and such team has one.

A good coach with determined rowers in a only wooden shell can out row most anyone.
Rowing is 98% technique.
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Next week the item will have its second and final
reading which will be watched by attorney's skilled
in stripping the negligent and compliciant of every
dollar,every dime,every asset,every hidden trust.

Among the most interesting they will find will be
what the arrogant City Attorney failed to tell the
Council..which is listed in next post.

Laurence B.Goodhue
Long Beach
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The far from diligent arrogant City Attorney failed
to advise the Council that included in the numbers
who opposed the dangerous plan to usher in swimming and wadding into the water skiing venue are:

l.Risk Assessment Officer of the City.
2.Mr.Richard Miller former Manager of the Marine
Bureau.
3.LPBD Deputy Chief,who as a Sargent was responsible
for Marine Patrol and the venue.
3.The current LBPD Sargent in charge of the Marine
Patrol.
4.LBPD Commander;former Life Guard who trained other
Life Guards.
5.Three retired Life Guards whose homes face the
venue-one who was in the USCG for four years.
6.Retired LAPD:SUB MARINER who faces the area.
7.Two retired school teachers well trained in
human use patterns-especially children.

Laurence B. Goodhue
Long Beach.

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Equally interesting and revealing was the silence on
the danger of ushering in swimming and wadding on the
part of the LBJC Parent President---who was up until
this evening quite vocal about the danger to life and
limb.

His silence this evening puts him in the dubious
company of the current President of LBRA who in
the November 2009 MAC meeting shocked all by standing up and saying LBRA now supports the rebuild
plan which it had so stridently opposed.

When he sat down,I reminded him how dangerous the
plan was for the small boating dynamic--and really
detrimental to rowing.

HIS REPLY:: I know it is.Hopefully the Coastal
Commission will over the plan!!!!!

Great models for kids!!!!

Laurence B. Goodhue
Long Beach
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As a final note on the far from humble City Attorney:
Subject;Process:

At issue were three distinct and separate City Codes:

l. New permitted length of ski boat(not an issue)

2. Throwing water skiers under the bus by reducing
their already limited access.

3. Ushering in swimming and wadding for those wanting
to use the venue as a Colorado Lagoon or Mother's
Beach.

The arrogant refused to separate the three thus cutting off discussion.

Laurence B. Goodhue
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Laurence Goodhue wrote:
Comes now the public issue ie---ushering swimming and
wadding into the small water skiing venue--which could have been done by simply stating:
ENTRY INTO THE WATER PERMITTED ONLY BY THOSE ACTIVELY
ENGAGED IN PERMITTED BOATING ACTIVITY.
Thus worded boaters could do what they have to.
The ordinance passed this evening precludes no one
from entering the water which means--the hard core
including the criminal element who feel that the
soft launch area is their own private beach-will use
is-as they do now as their own private swimming beach.
In time:
The numbers will grow.
Some unlander unschooled in matters aquatic will
have their face or foot sliced offf by a boat prop.
The City insurance Company will not pay.
City Council members insurance company will not pay.
Plaintiff's attorney's will strip ever dollar.every
dime.every hidden trust the arrogant,complicit,
negligent has---rendering them to living in a
Maytag or Whirlpool freezer box under the Shoemaker
Bridge.
And of course the insurance company will require
the area be bouyed off like Mother's Beach.Within
ten years Long Beach will be but a backwater of
rowing.
In a moment a review of the far from diligent
far from diligent Long Beach City:
Laurence B. Goodhue
Long Beach
SEMINAL CORRECTION IN FIRST SENTENCE:
Should read:

...could be prevented by having the new ordinance read:
ENTRY INTO THE WATER PROHIBITED EXCEPT BY THOSE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN PERMITTED BOATING
ACTIVITY.

LBG
Long Beach
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Laurence Goodhue wrote:
Equally interesting and revealing was the silence on
the danger of ushering in swimming and wadding on the
part of the LBJC Parent President---who was up until
this evening quite vocal about the danger to life and
limb.
His silence this evening puts him in the dubious
company of the current President of LBRA who in
the November 2009 MAC meeting shocked all by standing up and saying LBRA now supports the rebuild
plan which it had so stridently opposed.
When he sat down,I reminded him how dangerous the
plan was for the small boating dynamic--and really
detrimental to rowing.
HIS REPLY:: I know it is.Hopefully the Coastal
Commission will OVERTURN the plan!!!!!
Great models for kids!!
Long Beach
CORRECTION IN NEXT TO LAST TWO LINES:
Hopefully the Commission will OVERTURN THE PLAN

LBG;
LONG BEACH
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Laurence Goodhue wrote:
<quoted text>
CORRECTION IN NEXT TO LAST TWO LINES:
Hopefully the Commission will OVERTURN THE PLAN
LBG;
LONG BEACH
This guy is a freak !

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Dear Laurence B. Goodhue of Long Beach ,

Please stop posting long and confusing blurbs of misinterpreted biased opinions. No one is reading them and you've botched up this forum now.

Thank you!
Red W Blue

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Here we go, again! Row vs.Wade!
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Um, doing the "time math" here... seems to me this isn't much of a ban considering dusk/sunset during this time of the year limiting hours out there anyway. Thus, seems no speed boaters are really missing out on anything, and if rowers want to row in the dark, I guess that's their choice! So what's the change, what am I missing here? ps - didn't read all of the other diatribes, I like my responses short-sweet and to-the-point is all (:
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doiturself wrote:
Dear Laurence B. Goodhue of Long Beach ,
Please stop posting long and confusing blurbs of misinterpreted biased opinions. No one is reading them and you've botched up this forum now.
Thank you!
Be not in doubt no less than eight attorney's have and will continue to read in
preparation of the cases against those who will surely be found negligent and are
eager to strip such of every assets they have.

Additionally it has apparently captured the attention of those seriously considering
running for office.Any Council Representative so blaze about the specter of having
the face or limbs of one of their constituents by a boat prop-or worse.

Not less telling the insurance carriers for the City-as well as the Council.Representatives will take note.

What say you that

Obviously you are not very familiar with the issues.My opinions are shared by
all but a very small number.

The idea to usher in swimming and wadding is inane.Check the long list of those
certified in public safety and marine issues who share my views.

Equally so is case regarding throwing water skiers under the bus and giving the
access hours to LBJC.LBJC just needs good leadership within its parent program
like it had up to but two years ago--and a full bench of mature coaches.

You are correct on but two points.

The format of my postings leave a lot to be desired.

My views are biased.Biased toward safety.Biased toward having LBJC operate at the
same high level of excellence it had for so many years.Biased toward maintaining
the intent and integrity of the Marine Stadium as a venue for small boating and
not converting it to another Colorado Lagoon or Mother's Beach---which is Mark
Sandoval's intent---AS CLEARLY DEMONSTRATED BY HIS REFUSAL TO HAVE THE NEW CODE
WRITTEN TO SAY:

Entry into the water is prohibited except for those engaged in active permitted boating
activity.

What say you to that "doityourself"?? How and why would you re word the code.More to
the point.What are your qualifications??
Laurence Goodhue

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Kmp wrote:
Um, doing the "time math" here... seems to me this isn't much of a ban considering dusk/sunset during this time of the year limiting hours out there anyway. Thus, seems no speed boaters are really missing out on anything, and if rowers want to row in the dark, I guess that's their choice! So what's the change, what am I missing here? ps - didn't read all of the other diatribes, I like my responses short-sweet and to-the-point is all (:
My reply just posted to "do it yourself" might cover some of the
points you were sage enough to admit you might have missed.

You are correct in you math.The point however is the small window
of time--IS MAJOR to those that only have that small window---as
well as that small amount of aqua.Rowers have unlimited access to
circa five miles--24/7.

Water skiers have but circa 800 meters from 8-5.

As for the length/number of postings-they reflect the complexities
of the issues-which unfortunately relatively few understand.At the
present time the deepest lack of understanding is within the LBJC
parent organization-in the main because most of them are new to
rowing and near clueless to the dynamics in play.

Should you want,Go to Long Beach Rowing.Click on LBRA and you
will find a map of the extensive area we have to row in.

Laurence B. Goodhue
Long Beach
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Nice for them - now can I go out on my paddleboard without getting run over by the jackass lifeguards hot rod'in in their pretty red boat.

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