American murdered in Beijing as Olymp...

American murdered in Beijing as Olympics kick off

There are 56 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Aug 9, 2008, titled American murdered in Beijing as Olympics kick off. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

Todd Bachman, his wife Barbara, their daughter Elisabeth and a Chinese guide were attacked as they visited the Drum Tower monument, a popular tourist site in the centre of the city, according to the US Olympic ...

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Leonard

Beaverton, OR

#2 Aug 9, 2008
hope China is sorry too, I saw no comment from China in the article

I think China is probably very sorry

I know China has worked hard on security and that they didn't want anything bad to happen

sounds like a deranged nutcase but I hope they were not attacked cause they are westerners
MajorMalfunction

London, UK

#3 Aug 9, 2008
This is sad, it appears to be a random killing but this type of thing rarely happens in china to foreigners, according to police the motive is unknown yet I bet some political group or another is going to politize this, already the epoch times has started to release an article saying the CCP are using this to frame them even though no statement beyond the murderer's name, age and place of origin has been published by the chinese authorities, for some reason people are not allowed to read the article without registering which is strange...publishing a article but not releasing it to the wider public...
silkworm

Bethel Island, CA

#4 Aug 9, 2008
This is so sad. One thought that struck me was that if this had been in the US, the assailant would have had a gun and more might have been killed. As repressive a society as China is, it should be praised for keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics.
MajorMalfunction

London, UK

#5 Aug 10, 2008
silkworm wrote:
This is so sad. One thought that struck me was that if this had been in the US, the assailant would have had a gun and more might have been killed. As repressive a society as China is, it should be praised for keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics.
good point !

Since: Apr 08

Ashfield, UK

#6 Aug 10, 2008
silkworm wrote:
This is so sad. One thought that struck me was that if this had been in the US, the assailant would have had a gun and more might have been killed. As repressive a society as China is, it should be praised for keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics.
Well said. If it had been the US we'd probably be reading about another mass shooting.

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free with an inalienable right to bear arms and shoot each other.........."
fair and balanced

United States

#7 Aug 10, 2008
silkworm wrote:
This is so sad. One thought that struck me was that if this had been in the US, the assailant would have had a gun and more might have been killed. As repressive a society as China is, it should be praised for keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics.
So, it is so lucky that only one was killed. Is this what you were trying to say?

Here are my points/questions:
1) Long before this Olympics day, Beijing government started expelling the migrants out of the city. Those who didn't have professional jobs and legal resident addresses were pretty rounded up. This guy, according to the Chinese officials, was a migrant, didn't have job, didn't have a place to live/stay. Yet, he was still in Beijing.
2) You would think that the security level in Beijing's historical spots are very tight. If someone is able to bring a military blade with him/her, they will sure be able to bring in the bomb as well. In light of what's going on in Tibet and Uygur autonomous region, would Chinese security guards allow anyone enter the historical spots without careful inspection?
3) This guy picked this specific date and committed suicide right after the killing, which indicates that he knew exactly what he was doinghe and he didn't want to be caught alive. Therefore, painting this whole thing as a random crime might be too early and irresponsible. By the way, this kind of crime has never happened in China before -- I mean in a very important National Pride day, in the capital of Beijing, in a historical spot (not some small streets), and toward a foreigner.
Twin Tower

Beaverton, OR

#8 Aug 10, 2008
Is there a possibility that "Islamic Extremist" try to stir up the unrest here.

Go ahead..kick on a beehive dumbasses :)
perceptionlabor

Los Angeles, CA

#9 Aug 10, 2008
The man was simply a savage.

“We don need no stinkin' badges”

Since: Jul 08

Earth

#10 Aug 10, 2008
Leonard wrote:
hope China is sorry too, I saw no comment from China in the article
I think China is probably very sorry
I know China has worked hard on security and that they didn't want anything bad to happen
sounds like a deranged nutcase but I hope they were not attacked cause they are westerners
Funny. Someone gets murdered by an individual assailant and you seem to suggest that "China" should be sorry or say something. What is this "China" that you refer to? The government? All 1.3 billion people? Such silly connotations.

Would you expect if a Chinese businessman was shot to death in Washington D.C. that George Bush would apologize?

This tendency to think of "China" as if it is a person--as if it could be "sorry" is a weird anthropomorphizing of a state.
Jesse

Suzhou, China

#11 Aug 10, 2008
fair and balanced wrote:
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So, it is so lucky that only one was killed. Is this what you were trying to say?
Here are my points/questions:
1) Long before this Olympics day, Beijing government started expelling the migrants out of the city. Those who didn't have professional jobs and legal resident addresses were pretty rounded up. This guy, according to the Chinese officials, was a migrant, didn't have job, didn't have a place to live/stay. Yet, he was still in Beijing.
2) You would think that the security level in Beijing's historical spots are very tight. If someone is able to bring a military blade with him/her, they will sure be able to bring in the bomb as well. In light of what's going on in Tibet and Uygur autonomous region, would Chinese security guards allow anyone enter the historical spots without careful inspection?
3) This guy picked this specific date and committed suicide right after the killing, which indicates that he knew exactly what he was doinghe and he didn't want to be caught alive. Therefore, painting this whole thing as a random crime might be too early and irresponsible. By the way, this kind of crime has never happened in China before -- I mean in a very important National Pride day, in the capital of Beijing, in a historical spot (not some small streets), and toward a foreigner.
1. The government didn't kick out illigals who already have residence. They just kicked out street-living migrants. A significant portion of the population of Beijing are non-residents, including many middle clasee people.

2. Security around the games are tight. Security around the historical sites are not tight. Also note that some of those sites are also large in-city public parks. There are no metal detectors or whatever there.

3. This type of crazy random crime happens in China all the time. But not nearly as often as random drug-related violence and robberies in the USA.

Since: Feb 08

Cany

#12 Aug 10, 2008
oh madness of human nature, God please stop them.
Leonard

Beaverton, OR

#13 Aug 10, 2008
lotsojargon wrote:
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Funny. Someone gets murdered by an individual assailant and you seem to suggest that "China" should be sorry or say something. What is this "China" that you refer to? The government? All 1.3 billion people? Such silly connotations.
Would you expect if a Chinese businessman was shot to death in Washington D.C. that George Bush would apologize?
This tendency to think of "China" as if it is a person--as if it could be "sorry" is a weird anthropomorphizing of a state.
I strongly disagree. China is the Olympic Host country. An American directly related to the Olympics was murdered and another with him was injured....as was the Chinese tour guide.

I think it would be very appropriate if a Chinese govt official would express some kind of sympathetic comment in this regard.

You bet USA would comment if someone related to a Chinese Olmypic team were killed in America during an Olympics in America.

So in other words you feel that CCP should have no sympathy or public comment at all in this regard....? ok

“We don need no stinkin' badges”

Since: Jul 08

Earth

#14 Aug 10, 2008
Leonard wrote:
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I strongly disagree. China is the Olympic Host country. An American directly related to the Olympics was murdered and another with him was injured....as was the Chinese tour guide.
I think it would be very appropriate if a Chinese govt official would express some kind of sympathetic comment in this regard.
You bet USA would comment if someone related to a Chinese Olmypic team were killed in America during an Olympics in America.
So in other words you feel that CCP should have no sympathy or public comment at all in this regard....? ok
Ok, so perhaps the head of the Beijing PSB or the Beijing city mayor *could* say something. But the CCP seems a bit much.

Of course, there is one other problem, which is related to earlier posts--that is the issue of recognition. If a government official says something then it might highlight the issue of migrant workers undocumented in the capital. That would be a problem much larger than pissing off anyone for not saying anything.
Leonard

Beaverton, OR

#15 Aug 10, 2008
lotsojargon wrote:
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Ok, so perhaps the head of the Beijing PSB or the Beijing city mayor *could* say something. But the CCP seems a bit much.
Of course, there is one other problem, which is related to earlier posts--that is the issue of recognition. If a government official says something then it might highlight the issue of migrant workers undocumented in the capital. That would be a problem much larger than pissing off anyone for not saying anything.
ok, fair enough, thanks!
MajorMalfunction

London, UK

#16 Aug 10, 2008
Leonard wrote:
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I strongly disagree. China is the Olympic Host country. An American directly related to the Olympics was murdered and another with him was injured....as was the Chinese tour guide.
I think it would be very appropriate if a Chinese govt official would express some kind of sympathetic comment in this regard.
You bet USA would comment if someone related to a Chinese Olmypic team were killed in America during an Olympics in America.
So in other words you feel that CCP should have no sympathy or public comment at all in this regard....? ok
well I don't think the british government will be apoligising for the death of 2 chinese students in Newcastle nor will the PRC expect an apoligy.

Governments don't apoligise for random crazy events unless it was caused by government action directly...all the americans can expect from this is the full cooperation of the chinese police in the investigation.

Since: Apr 08

Ashfield, UK

#18 Aug 11, 2008
Cock and Balls Story wrote:
Who said civilizing these slopes who end their kamikaze mentality? Those rice-eaters are begging for another nuke to get dropped in their backyard. The entire Asian continent is screwed up. First the towel heads, now the gooks.
Looks like we've got another troll on the board.
philip lin

Fuzhou, China

#19 Aug 11, 2008
I am from China,I am so sorry to hear the event.It happened during the olympic games.So many Chinese care about this thing.I think this is an accident,it's personal behavier.And it's hard to prevent.The murder has suicided by jumping building.We still know why he did so.I think all the Chinese people won't see it happen.
ebayoyochina

Chongqing, China

#20 Aug 11, 2008
Why I can't see the official details here,that's bullshit!Since there are so many journalist in China during the olympics...
Kaso

Sweden

#21 Aug 11, 2008
Cock and Balls Story wrote:
Who said civilizing these slopes who end their kamikaze mentality? Those rice-eaters are begging for another nuke to get dropped in their backyard. The entire Asian continent is screwed up. First the towel heads, now the gooks.
What are you crowing about, redneck? Before you can speak a decent human language to ask for it, your countrymen would have strangle you to a mute-mule. They are afraid of other countries nukes also, you slime probably don't know.
fair and balanced

Huntsville, AL

#22 Aug 11, 2008
Jesse wrote:
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1. The government didn't kick out illigals who already have residence. They just kicked out street-living migrants. A significant portion of the population of Beijing are non-residents, including many middle clasee people.
2. Security around the games are tight. Security around the historical sites are not tight. Also note that some of those sites are also large in-city public parks. There are no metal detectors or whatever there.
3. This type of crazy random crime happens in China all the time. But not nearly as often as random drug-related violence and robberies in the USA.
Here are the comments to your points (in the same order):
1. Interesting, you describe the migrants:'illigals who already have residence...'. I assume they are Chinese too, are they not? So, why are they "illegal"? I don't get it. Anyhow, my point is that this guy (killer who committed suicide afterwards) was a migrant who didn't even have any contact address in Beijing.
2. Wow, "...security around historical sites were not tight.... no metal detectors there...". So, the wackos could "smuggle" the bombs if they want to...? I have hard time to imagine that.
3. I agree random crimes happen all the time, but I completely disagree with what you said 'This type of random crime...'. Here is the unique characteristic of 'This type crime':
- On Olympic opening day (which was a mega event
for China, and of course, for the entire world
as well). So, this guy had no clue what was
going in Beijing on that day?
- In a high profile historical site as oppose
to some run-down areas.
- Picked a foreigner -- rarely an assault target
in China unless sex or money is part of the
motivation.

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