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Gay And Muslim: The Challenge Of Homophobia In Islam

There are 207 comments on the Switched story from Dec 7, 2012, titled Gay And Muslim: The Challenge Of Homophobia In Islam. In it, Switched reports that:

Ludovic-Mohamed Zahed was 17 years old when he understood that he was in love with his Qur'an teacher.

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“Proud Southerner”

Since: May 07

Israel, betach b'HaShem!

#190 Dec 12, 2012
aiesha s wrote:
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That one is definitely meshuggah.
Those are the kind of people who are responsible for these crimes.

http://glbt.org.il/en/aguda/articles.php...

I knew the victim (Nir Katz) personally, his sister was my fitness guide and a close friend. A very said story. He was a good person and got killed simply for having attraction to the same sex. Sad:(

Since: Oct 12

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#191 Dec 12, 2012
Lipush wrote:
<quoted text> youre one crazy person.
hehehe....condemning a terrorrist like a homo terrorist is crazy???what?? If u can't tolerate with the CIA Al-Qaeda, then u might as well condemned AL-GAYda as well, simple, both can killed but in a different way....

:-)

“Proud Southerner”

Since: May 07

Israel, betach b'HaShem!

#192 Dec 12, 2012
look what I just wrote in the post above. I had a friend who was killed simply for being gay. The killer had the same thinking you have now. We should not afford that kind of crime in a modern society.

Since: Oct 12

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#193 Dec 12, 2012
Lipush wrote:
look what I just wrote in the post above. I had a friend who was killed simply for being gay. The killer had the same thinking you have now. We should not afford that kind of crime in a modern society.
Did he realized when he was still alive he also killed his possible future generations himself? a killer killed by another killer,a terrorist killed by another terrorist....?? everyone will die someday....it's just a matter of 'how' and 'when'!

It's a human tragedy in this modern world to not put homosexuals in par with the terrorist or a mass murderer, this is ain't the 1980s Radio GAY GAY era anymore, "HOMO-TERRORIST" is today's term for "80 yish sounded GAY", welcomne to the 21st Century mate...
Samatha

Dallas, TX

#194 Dec 12, 2012
Luke wrote:

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Isn't the definition of "Homophobia" An irrational fear of homosexuals?

Lets see as of August 2011 homosexuals are responsible for 61% of all the Aids cases in the U.S.
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For more information visit the CDC website here.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/HIVIncide...

2.During the same period syphilis in homosexuals is up 134%

“Citizens need to be given the information as to options about sexuality,” Goldberg continued.“Equal access to ‘ex-gay’ information is essential.”
http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats10/trends.htm

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3. Increased incidence of infectious diseases
- gonorrhea- chlamydia - pubic lice- hepatitis A - hepatitis B
- hepatitis C - anal papilloma
Gays are still Banned From Donating Blood
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Blo...

4. The highest rate of anal cancer and shigellosis from eating feces.
http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/acd/docs/Shi...

5.The Epidemic of Parasites in Gay Men

The incidence of gastrointestinal parasites rose exponentially in gay men during the two decades The transmission of parasites was associated with sexual activity that exposed partners to feces, particularly oral-anal sex or "rimming." By 2010, the prevalence of parasites was 60% or greater for homosexual men attending STD clinics or private practice.

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6.Homosexuals make up less than 4% of the population .

"The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering,"Homosexuals make up less than 2% of the population .

"Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls."
Authorities say evidence examined disproves the assertion that child molestation is more prevalent among heterosexuals.
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats

SOUND LIKE A PRETTY RATIONAL FEAR TO ME!

“Proud Southerner”

Since: May 07

Israel, betach b'HaShem!

#195 Dec 12, 2012
Crush Em wrote:
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Did he realized when he was still alive he also killed his possible future generations himself? a killer killed by another killer,a terrorist killed by another terrorist....?? everyone will die someday....it's just a matter of 'how' and 'when'!
It's a human tragedy in this modern world to not put homosexuals in par with the terrorist or a mass murderer, this is ain't the 1980s Radio GAY GAY era anymore, "HOMO-TERRORIST" is today's term for "80 yish sounded GAY", welcomne to the 21st Century mate...
You justify killing based on homosexuality?? How can you think that's ok to do that? Why is that any different than killing somone based on racism??

Since: Oct 12

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#196 Dec 12, 2012
Lipush wrote:
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You justify killing based on homosexuality?? How can you think that's ok to do that? Why is that any different than killing somone based on racism??
Homo-Terrorism doesn't have a race-tag! it's a global epidemic! if u still think like the old days of specifying a murder or terrorism then u will forever stuck at that era, pre-emptive killing of our future generations done by the homo-terrorist whether they realized it or not should be considered as a murder or an act of terrorism! if the environmentalist is sad and angry about loosing a single old tree, then why not we as human be sad and angry with an act of terrorism against our possible future generations or future family member as well! it's simple...

“Proud Southerner”

Since: May 07

Israel, betach b'HaShem!

#199 Dec 12, 2012
Crush Em wrote:
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Homo-Terrorism doesn't have a race-tag! it's a global epidemic! if u still think like the old days of specifying a murder or terrorism then u will forever stuck at that era, pre-emptive killing of our future generations done by the homo-terrorist whether they realized it or not should be considered as a murder or an act of terrorism! if the environmentalist is sad and angry about loosing a single old tree, then why not we as human be sad and angry with an act of terrorism against our possible future generations or future family member as well! it's simple...
Me thinking old age are? You're the one saying homos are ill people. It is people who are4 justifying killing of another human being based on sexuality, that suits darker times. Who else will you call to kill simply because you don't like how the live?

Homosexuality is not terrorism. There are people who never say they are homos and you nothing of them, so how are the considered terrorists? Terrorists will be the ones calling for hatred and death of them, simply because they are feeling threatened. You know what they say about homophobes and why they hate gays so much...

Since: Jul 09

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#200 Dec 12, 2012
I don't have a prob with gays. What they do in their 'bedroom' is their own business and regardless that I do not agree with homosexuality and think it is wrong, there is nothing I or others can do to stop what they want to do.

However, I do have a prob with gay activists. Gay activists have pushed their agenda on the rest of society and continue to do so.

It's funny that this past week the current Canadian govt announced that public employees should be able to display Christmas decorations in their work place, work desk etc.....I said to myself, "of course they should. There are those who are allowed to display the rainbow flag and raise the rainbow flag at city halls, so what's wrong with a Christmas display or decoration?"

Get my point?
aiesha s

Blacktown, Australia

#203 Dec 12, 2012
Lipush wrote:
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Those are the kind of people who are responsible for these crimes.
http://glbt.org.il/en/aguda/articles.php...
I knew the victim (Nir Katz) personally, his sister was my fitness guide and a close friend. A very said story. He was a good person and got killed simply for having attraction to the same sex. Sad:(
I'm very sorry to hear that, Lipush.

These people who hate irrationally are the true terrorists. They incite crazy people like that gunman.

Since: Oct 12

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#204 Dec 12, 2012
Lipush wrote:
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Me thinking old age are? You're the one saying homos are ill people. It is people who are4 justifying killing of another human being based on sexuality, that suits darker times. Who else will you call to kill simply because you don't like how the live?
Homosexuality is not terrorism. There are people who never say they are homos and you nothing of them, so how are the considered terrorists? Terrorists will be the ones calling for hatred and death of them, simply because they are feeling threatened. You know what they say about homophobes and why they hate gays so much...
If u don't considered pre-emptive murdering of your future family member or future generations as a crime to humanity or a terrorism, then u really have a problem! if a country can pre-emptively attack another country to prevent retaliation or a terrorism attack, then why not the local authorities responses the same way to all the homo-terrorist which killing our innocent future generations 24/7 365 and a half days! imagine that, that's what u called a mass murder 24/7 even worse and can easily as well exceed the holocaust victim or in par with the number of victim killed and tortured in the Spanish Inquisition era!

a homo-terrorist should realized by now their crime to humanity!the society as well should see it as a crime to humanity, call a spade a spade and called a terrorist a terrorist, murder or pre-emptive murder is also a murder! wake up y'all....
aiesha s

Blacktown, Australia

#205 Dec 12, 2012
YTH does my post about the Romans get deleted?!

Maybe I should be a hateful inciting idiot like the rest of these clowns. Their posts get to stay.

Never mind, I'll show my research to some of the many people I know who will appreciate it. No more pearls before swine.
porkfoot muhammad pigbuh

Romania

#206 Dec 12, 2012
bigot wrote:
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in an islamic state, muslims have to pay a type of tax called zakaah. jizya is imposed in lieu of this zakaah for non muslims. the rights of non muslim citizens will be the same as the muslims, jizya is paid to ensure their rights are protected from internal/external enemies.
in malaysia and many other countries with muslims majority such as indonesia, brunei, etc, there's no jizya imposed on non muslims, but citizens are required to pay income taxes. for muslim, they have to pay zakaah out of religious obligation.
at least, muslims have at one time of its glory conquered the world and introduced civilisation into the then medievil europe. the impact of islamic civilisation can be seen until today, in many areas be it science, literature, philosophy, etc.
what is sikhism contribution to mankind btw?
you are so full of lies and BS. jizya tax was so high that many non-muslims converted to islam to escape poverty. it is written by many great scholars like robert spencer, mohammad ali khan, ali sina, etc. jizya was never the same as zakat. that is just a lie the muslims tell the west but history shows unfairness in muslim empires. in most muslim countries today, jizya is not imposed as much but it still exists in places like pakistan, yemen, iraq, palestine, and it is very unfair. islam is very unfair in general. muslims never conquered the WHOLE WORLD. muslims introduced some things to Europe, but muslims took the credit from other civilizations. the arabs never invented anything that is mentioned as an islamic invention. the persians, Indians, egyptians, turkish people invented and discovered things and when the arabs forced them to islam, then islam took the credit. Sikhism is a small religion and we will soon make an impact without stealing credit from others. Sikhs and Hindus defeated the muslim empires of India, so we saved our civilization and made sure we were not as backwards as pakistan, afghanistan, and bangladesh. LOL. we didnt massacre millions of people like muslims. that is a great contribution. the 8 centuries muslims ruled India, they did not even make one college. at least Sikhs made colleges. HAHA. get out of muhammad's butt. where are the great muslim scientists? how come most muslim countries are backwards? that islamic golden age you talk about was really just thievery from other civilized cultures before they became islamic.

is this your great malaysia...

In Malaysia the non-Muslims have been subject to the disguised Jizyah of the Bumiputra system, which favors economically the Muslims, and essentially involves a transfer of wealth from the more industrious and entrepreneurial non-Muslims (Chinese and Hindus) to Muslims (Malays, but not the members of the indigenous tribes, which were christianized, or remained pagan -- and only now are being islamized through intense pressure and Da'wa campaigns).

stop lying please.

Since: Oct 06

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#207 Dec 12, 2012
Naturally Wired wrote:
I don't have a prob with gays. What they do in their 'bedroom' is their own business and regardless that I do not agree with homosexuality and think it is wrong, there is nothing I or others can do to stop what they want to do.
However, I do have a prob with gay activists. Gay activists have pushed their agenda on the rest of society and continue to do so.
It's funny that this past week the current Canadian govt announced that public employees should be able to display Christmas decorations in their work place, work desk etc.....I said to myself, "of course they should. There are those who are allowed to display the rainbow flag and raise the rainbow flag at city halls, so what's wrong with a Christmas display or decoration?"
Get my point?
I can respect that.
porkfoot muhammad pigbuh

Stockholm, Sweden

#208 Dec 12, 2012
bigot wrote:
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can you differentiate between culture and religious practice? i was wondering if you really are more educated than anyone here as you claimed to be.
slavery is still practiced in many parts of the world. such as in india, to the lowest caste. slavery was only abolished by the americans in 1865.
when in many societies, islamic or not, slavery is no longer existed, some parts of the world still practice discrimination called caste.
btw, you have not answered any of my questions about the khatris.
HAHA. im much more educated than you. there is no doubt about that. you still havent answered my questions slow person. i asked if you would marry your kid into an uneducated family? i asked that 2 or 3 times and you havent even answered. it shows your lack of education like muhammad. i dont know what the imams have told you, but you are so wrong.

muslims are encouraged to live in the way of muhammad, who was a slave owner and trader. he captured slaves in battle. he had sex with his slaves. and he instructed his men to do the same. the quran actually devotes more verses to making sure that muslim men know they can keep women as sex slaves than it does to telling them to pray five times a day.

slavery is deeply embedded in islamic law and tradition. although a slave-owner is cautioned against treating slaves harshly, basic human rights are not obliged. the very fact that only non-Muslims may be taken as slaves is evidence of Islam's supremacist doctrine.

when the muslims conquered north India, they sent many Indians as slaves to the arab market because Indians were not muslims. even converting to islam would not guarantee freedom, but those slaves would be treated better. every Indian religion is against slavery and slavery was small in India compared to the arab world. there is hidden slavery everywhere. India does have slavery problems, but that has nothing to do with religion. that is just capitalists taking advantages of the poor people. its not like the Hindu, Buddhist, Jain, and Sikh monks are having slaves. that is why communism movement is powerful in India. the poor and slaves are fighting against capitalists, not religious leaders. America is not the only country to abolish slavery. many Europeans countries did the same. caste discrimination and slavery are two totally different things. get it straight through your thick skull. i visited India and i saw many low castes who were NOT slaves. their condition may be poor, but dont point the finger when muslims discriminate against non-muslims in their nations. the condition of non-muslims in afghanistan, pakistan, bangladesh, egypt, syria, palestine are worse than what the low castes in India go through. at least the Indian government is trying to improve their status by paying for their college and making it mandatory for companies to hire certain number of low castes. in muslim countries, they would never do that for non-muslims.

i answered all your questions about Khatris. you didnt answer my question backward fellow. what do you want to know about Khatris? they are mostly Hindus. they are a warrior caste, but now they are heavily involved in business and spirituality. they are still highly educated today like they were during pre-muslim rule and muslim rule. Khatris have produced great spiritual and religious leaders like Lord Rama and Lord Krishna (founder of Hinduism), Buddha (founder of Buddhism), Mahavira (founder of Jainism), and my Sikh Gurus (founder of Sikhism). open your eyes and see how prestigious the Khatris were throughout the ages. they were intelligent saint soldiers or warrior monks. even though i am a Jatt, i know it was not until my Sikh Gurus came that the Jatt population became educated. i dont care if my Sikh Gurus were Khatris because they educated everyone and ate with them and saved our people from the muslims forcing us into islam. even the muslim empire could not defeat my 10th Guruji.
bigot

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#209 Dec 13, 2012
porkfoot muhammad pigbuh wrote:
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HAHA. im much more educated than you. there is no doubt about that. you still havent answered my questions slow person. i asked if you would marry your kid into an uneducated family? i asked that 2 or 3 times and you havent even answered. it shows your lack of education like muhammad. i dont know what the imams have told you, but you are so wrong.
arranged marriage is it? sikhism still pratice that? so backward.

i learned this from my parents, don't underestimate a person because you wouldn't know what he/she would become one day.

if i have children one day, i'm going to use the same principle. prophet muhammad was an uneducated person who married a high class woman.
porkfoot muhammad pigbuh wrote:
<quoted text>
slavery is deeply embedded in islamic law and tradition. although a slave-owner is cautioned against treating slaves harshly, basic human rights are not obliged. the very fact that only non-Muslims may be taken as slaves is evidence of Islam's supremacist doctrine.
when the muslims conquered north India, they sent many Indians as slaves to the arab market because Indians were not muslims. even converting to islam would not guarantee freedom, but those slaves would be treated better. every Indian religion is against slavery and slavery was small in India compared to the arab world. there is hidden slavery everywhere. India does have slavery problems, but that has nothing to do with religion. that is just capitalists taking advantages of the poor people. its not like the Hindu, Buddhist, Jain, and Sikh monks are having slaves. that is why communism movement is powerful in India. the poor and slaves are fighting against capitalists, not religious leaders. America is not the only country to abolish slavery. many Europeans countries did the same. caste discrimination and slavery are two totally different things. get it straight through your thick skull. i visited India and i saw many low castes who were NOT slaves. their condition may be poor, but dont point the finger when muslims discriminate against non-muslims in their nations. the condition of non-muslims in afghanistan, pakistan, bangladesh, egypt, syria, palestine are worse than what the low castes in India go through.
have you seen any muslims family enslaving another human being?

i don't think you've ever been to india. i recalled this incident with two friends of mine who's of a higher caste kshatria and another friend who is dalit. since i am their mutual friend (they don't know each other) they took me sightseeing around Delhi and to my surprise, the kshatria friend refused to be in the same car with my dalit friend. a recent BBC news also touched about the dalits widespread discrimination - "India's Dalits still fighting untouchability". my family's workers/helpers are treated better than these people.

if sikhism do practice equality, why in the Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee, out of 140 seats, only 20 are RESERVED for low caste Sikhs?
bigot

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#210 Dec 13, 2012
porkfoot muhammad pigbuh wrote:
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you are so full of lies and BS. jizya tax was so high that many non-muslims converted to islam to escape poverty. it is written by many great scholars like robert spencer, mohammad ali khan, ali sina, etc. jizya was never the same as zakat. that is just a lie the muslims tell the west but history shows unfairness in muslim empires. in most muslim countries today, jizya is not imposed as much but it still exists in places like pakistan, yemen, iraq, palestine, and it is very unfair. islam is very unfair in general. muslims never conquered the WHOLE WORLD. muslims introduced some things to Europe, but muslims took the credit from other civilizations. the arabs never invented anything that is mentioned as an islamic invention. the persians, Indians, egyptians, turkish people invented and discovered things and when the arabs forced them to islam, then islam took the credit. Sikhism is a small religion and we will soon make an impact without stealing credit from others. Sikhs and Hindus defeated the muslim empires of India, so we saved our civilization and made sure we were not as backwards as pakistan, afghanistan, and bangladesh. LOL. we didnt massacre millions of people like muslims. that is a great contribution. the 8 centuries muslims ruled India, they did not even make one college. at least Sikhs made colleges. HAHA. get out of muhammad's butt. where are the great muslim scientists? how come most muslim countries are backwards? that islamic golden age you talk about was really just thievery from other civilized cultures before they became islamic.
is this your great malaysia...
In Malaysia the non-Muslims have been subject to the disguised Jizyah of the Bumiputra system, which favors economically the Muslims, and essentially involves a transfer of wealth from the more industrious and entrepreneurial non-Muslims (Chinese and Hindus) to Muslims (Malays, but not the members of the indigenous tribes, which were christianized, or remained pagan -- and only now are being islamized through intense pressure and Da'wa campaigns).
stop lying please.
fyi 25% bumiputras are non muslims.

from wiki:
Bumiputera or Bumiputra is a Malaysian term to describe Malay race and the indigenous peoples of Southeast Asia, and particularly in Malaysia. Bumiputra include groups such as the Indonesian Pribumis, Malaysian Siamese, Muslim Indian Malaysians, Straits Chinese or Peranakan, Khmer people and the Kristang people of Portuguese-Eurasian descent.[6] Most of these encompass the community that have been established in southeast Asia PRIOR the arrival of the British colonist that have forever altered the demographic of Malaysia.

the privileges are more in terms of economic and political purposes, not islamic per se.

jizya is a form of tax, don't mixed it up with something totally unrelated. many countries with muslim majorities do not have such tax. they adopted income taxes instead.

maybe you have list of countries, at present, that practice jizya. i'm looking forward for this answer.
porkfoot muhammad pigbuh

United States

#211 Dec 13, 2012
bigot wrote:
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arranged marriage is it? sikhism still pratice that? so backward.
i learned this from my parents, don't underestimate a person because you wouldn't know what he/she would become one day.
if i have children one day, i'm going to use the same principle. prophet muhammad was an uneducated person who married a high class woman.
<quoted text>
have you seen any muslims family enslaving another human being?
i don't think you've ever been to india. i recalled this incident with two friends of mine who's of a higher caste kshatria and another friend who is dalit. since i am their mutual friend (they don't know each other) they took me sightseeing around Delhi and to my surprise, the kshatria friend refused to be in the same car with my dalit friend. a recent BBC news also touched about the dalits widespread discrimination - "India's Dalits still fighting untouchability". my family's workers/helpers are treated better than these people.
if sikhism do practice equality, why in the Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee, out of 140 seats, only 20 are RESERVED for low caste Sikhs?
you are so delusional and ignorant. muslims practice arrange marriage too. so many muslims i know got married to the choice of their parents. very few actually married their choice of lover, but the other was a muslim. if you are gonna call arrange marriage backward, might as well call most muslim backward as well. some Sikhs are arranged and some arent. it isnt mandatory in Sikhism. the only mandatory thing is for a Sikh to marry a Sikh. dont underestimate a person? what if the person is a drug addict? what if the person has a criminal record? what if the person is not educated and went to school, but never tried hard in school? muhammad was uneducated but doesnt mean anything to me that he married a 40 year old woman when he was 25. his first wife saw that he was honest and married him for that. thats fine because most people in arabia were uneducated, so she didnt have much of a good choice. muhammad turned bad when he gained power and had lots of sex with sex slaves, daughter in law, aisha, his other wives. muhammad might have been a good person with his first wife, but became a bad person when he gained power. uneducated people can easily turn bad when the time is ripe for them. of course i have not seen a muslim family enslave another person? what a stupid question. i live in USA you backward son of a pig. there are so many stories of muslims having slaves currently in the world and back in the distance past. slavery was a big thing in islam and still is in certain regions. i have been to India and i dont care for your backward Indian friends as well. my family over there are progressive and we dont care if we sit next to a dalit or not. i already told your uneducated brain that i agree there is caste discrimination problem. do you not understand the words i am typing? is your reading comprehension that bad? you silly muslim...you talk as if Sikhism is a person. are you that uneducated? Sikhism teaches equality. Sikhs are human beings, not the ideology itself. i never said there wasnt caste problem within the Sikh community, but you keep blaming Sikhism when you never even read the words of my Gurujis. i have read more of the quran and hadith than you have read of my Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee reserved 20 seats for low caste Sikhs because they are trying to uplift the community. the other 120 seats is gained based on meritocracy. the Sikh leaders of Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee realized that there is inequality by Jatt Sikhs against low caste Sikhs, so they RESERVED those 20 seats to give the low caste power. if the low caste can gain additional seats through meritocracy, then the 120 would have low caste Sikhs as well. I dont believe in the term high or low caste Sikhs. a Sikh is a Sikh. all my Gurujis said it and it is the truth.
porkfoot muhammad pigbuh

Höst, Germany

#212 Dec 13, 2012
bigot wrote:
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fyi 25% bumiputras are non muslims.
from wiki:
Bumiputera or Bumiputra is a Malaysian term to describe Malay race and the indigenous peoples of Southeast Asia, and particularly in Malaysia. Bumiputra include groups such as the Indonesian Pribumis, Malaysian Siamese, Muslim Indian Malaysians, Straits Chinese or Peranakan, Khmer people and the Kristang people of Portuguese-Eurasian descent.[6] Most of these encompass the community that have been established in southeast Asia PRIOR the arrival of the British colonist that have forever altered the demographic of Malaysia.
the privileges are more in terms of economic and political purposes, not islamic per se.
jizya is a form of tax, don't mixed it up with something totally unrelated. many countries with muslim majorities do not have such tax. they adopted income taxes instead.
maybe you have list of countries, at present, that practice jizya. i'm looking forward for this answer.
i dont believe you at all. you are so blind. you are so blind that you state to me "maybe you have list of countries, at present, that practice jizya. i'm looking forward for this answer". if your eyes and brain werent so small, you would have read the countries i mentioned earlier. you replied to that comment. you truly are a bigot. a muslim bigot is worse than a non-muslim bigot.
bigot

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#213 Dec 13, 2012
porkfoot muhammad pigbuh wrote:
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you are so delusional and ignorant. muslims practice arrange marriage too. so many muslims i know got married to the choice of their parents. very few actually married their choice of lover, but the other was a muslim. if you are gonna call arrange marriage backward, might as well call most muslim backward as well. some Sikhs are arranged and some arent. it isnt mandatory in Sikhism. the only mandatory thing is for a Sikh to marry a Sikh. dont underestimate a person? what if the person is a drug addict? what if the person has a criminal record? what if the person is not educated and went to school, but never tried hard in school? muhammad was uneducated but doesnt mean anything to me that he married a 40 year old woman when he was 25. his first wife saw that he was honest and married him for that. thats fine because most people in arabia were uneducated, so she didnt have much of a good choice. muhammad turned bad when he gained power and had lots of sex with sex slaves, daughter in law, aisha, his other wives. muhammad might have been a good person with his first wife, but became a bad person when he gained power. uneducated people can easily turn bad when the time is ripe for them. of course i have not seen a muslim family enslave another person? what a stupid question. i live in USA you backward son of a pig. there are so many stories of muslims having slaves currently in the world and back in the distance past. slavery was a big thing in islam and still is in certain regions.
arranged marriage are practiced by many asian families, muslim or non muslims. again - culture, tradition - not really religious obligation. especially the south asian and arab community. you don't really see that in south east asia's muslim community, at present, with the highest numbers of muslims populations in the world esp indonesia.
porkfoot muhammad pigbuh wrote:
<quoted text>i have been to India and i dont care for your backward Indian friends as well. my family over there are progressive and we dont care if we sit next to a dalit or not. i already told your uneducated brain that i agree there is caste discrimination problem. do you not understand the words i am typing? is your reading comprehension that bad? you silly muslim...you talk as if Sikhism is a person. are you that uneducated? Sikhism teaches equality. Sikhs are human beings, not the ideology itself. i never said there wasnt caste problem within the Sikh community, but you keep blaming Sikhism when you never even read the words of my Gurujis. i have read more of the quran and hadith than you have read of my Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee reserved 20 seats for low caste Sikhs because they are trying to uplift the community. the other 120 seats is gained based on meritocracy. the Sikh leaders of Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee realized that there is inequality by Jatt Sikhs against low caste Sikhs, so they RESERVED those 20 seats to give the low caste power. if the low caste can gain additional seats through meritocracy, then the 120 would have low caste Sikhs as well. I dont believe in the term high or low caste Sikhs. a Sikh is a Sikh. all my Gurujis said it and it is the truth.
meritocracy does not involve 'reservation', does it?

so you have confessed that wrongs are made by individuals not the religion. you've answered your own question.

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