New Zealand won't sign 'Kyoto 2' climate treaty

There are 20 comments on the CBS News story from Nov 9, 2012, titled New Zealand won't sign 'Kyoto 2' climate treaty. In it, CBS News reports that:

WELLINGTON, New Zealand &#8212 New Zealand's government said Friday that it would not sign on for a second stage of the Kyoto Protocol climate treaty, a stance that angered environmentalists and political opponents.

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damosgos

New Zealand

#1 Nov 9, 2012
I cant believe this! This is the worst piece of news I have heard in a very long time! This has to change!

Since: Nov 08

Auckland

#2 Nov 9, 2012
damosgos wrote:
This has to change!
Why? I'm thinking it's a good thing....

“Educating poor IQ Sepians”

Since: Aug 12

Wellington

#3 Nov 10, 2012
Gutsfull wrote:
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Why? I'm thinking it's a good thing....
why would you be thinking that?

“Educating Utus”

Since: Aug 10

Wanganui, New Zealand

#4 Nov 10, 2012
damosgos wrote:
I cant believe this! This is the worst piece of news I have heard in a very long time! This has to change!
Global warming is a hoax. The planet's mean temp is falling every year. Carbon tax and the host of other taxes these mad greenies would impose on us to give them that warm fuzzy feeling just make life more difficult for middle wage earners and do nothing to reduce emmisions.

Since: Nov 08

Auckland

#5 Nov 10, 2012
DEVTA wrote:
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why would you be thinking that?
Torqueing Heads beat me to it. There's not much more I can add.

“Educating poor IQ Sepians”

Since: Aug 12

Wellington

#6 Nov 10, 2012
Torqueing Heads wrote:
<quoted text>Global warming is a hoax. The planet's mean temp is falling every year. Carbon tax and the host of other taxes these mad greenies would impose on us to give them that warm fuzzy feeling just make life more difficult for middle wage earners and do nothing to reduce emmisions.
If mean temperature is falling... whats your account for the volume reduction in the ice caps and rising water levels?

whats your account for the increase in size and frequencies of tropical storm formations?

whats your account for increases in geo thermal activity?

whats your account for increases earthquake activity?

Is it not tampering with global ecosystems?

“Educating Utus”

Since: Aug 10

Wanganui, New Zealand

#7 Nov 10, 2012
DEVTA wrote:
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If mean temperature is falling... whats your account for the volume reduction in the ice caps and rising water levels?
whats your account for the increase in size and frequencies of tropical storm formations?
whats your account for increases in geo thermal activity?
whats your account for increases earthquake activity?
Is it not tampering with global ecosystems?
Simple. Media hype and more media hype.
You and millions of others are being led around by the nose for the sole purpose of increasing media ratings.
Our planet's temperature, sea levels and ice caps fluctuate wildly due to natural forces. Around 1000ad the Scandanavians colonised Greenland during a warm period and established a very successful agriculture. Greeland is now completely frozen over and unihabitable.
In 1900 Galveston Texas suffered a hurricane larger than Katrina. Had CNN been around to cover the event we would have been led to believe the world is at end.
Earthquakes have always been a feature of the earth's crust as it moves on a sea of molten magma. As human poulations increase exponentially, far more are killed by quakes and the news is flashed around the world within hours. This gives a distorted impression that these events are increasing, when in fact they are not.

Since: Nov 08

Auckland

#8 Nov 10, 2012
It's the 'man made' aspect of the propaganda that makes me spew. Sure, we pollute way more than we should, but this CO2 emissions thing, along with the ETS, and taxation (and bureaucracy that goes with it)....it's bs as far as I'm concerned. Just another way we'll see the wealth being transferred.

Although, from what I can make out, the tide of opinion is turning - and none too soon I reckon.
Tweeter

Auckland, New Zealand

#9 Nov 10, 2012
DEVTA wrote:
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If mean temperature is falling... whats your account for the volume reduction in the ice caps and rising water levels?
whats your account for the increase in size and frequencies of tropical storm formations?
whats your account for increases in geo thermal activity?
whats your account for increases earthquake activity?
Is it not tampering with global ecosystems?
You're speaking out of your ass and have no idea what you are talking about.

“Educating poor IQ Sepians”

Since: Aug 12

Wellington

#10 Nov 11, 2012
Tweeter wrote:
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You're speaking out of your ass and have no idea what you are talking about.
well if i am speaking from out of my ass as you say, then it must be better than what your head can comprehend, hence your comment... save it for a rotten bar
Tweeter

Auckland, New Zealand

#11 Nov 11, 2012
DEVTA wrote:
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well if i am speaking from out of my ass as you say, then it must be better than what your head can comprehend, hence your comment... save it for a rotten bar
To quote you.

whats your account for increases in geo thermal activity?
whats your account for increases earthquake activity?

What increases ?

None that I can see.

“Educating poor IQ Sepians”

Since: Aug 12

Wellington

#12 Nov 11, 2012
Torqueing Heads wrote:
<quoted text>Simple. Media hype and more media hype.
You and millions of others are being led around by the nose for the sole purpose of increasing media ratings.
Our planet's temperature, sea levels and ice caps fluctuate wildly due to natural forces. Around 1000ad the Scandanavians colonised Greenland during a warm period and established a very successful agriculture. Greeland is now completely frozen over and unihabitable.
In 1900 Galveston Texas suffered a hurricane larger than Katrina. Had CNN been around to cover the event we would have been led to believe the world is at end.
Earthquakes have always been a feature of the earth's crust as it moves on a sea of molten magma. As human poulations increase exponentially, far more are killed by quakes and the news is flashed around the world within hours. This gives a distorted impression that these events are increasing, when in fact they are not.
Bull shit, the data is relatively good from the time we had geo thermal instruments and devices of the sort. sure it was not published as often but the data was there... the frequencies are increasing.

you say its a natural phenomenon, i say not really. This is another clumsy realisation of fossil fuel economics and that aspect is real. so is carbon release and other forms of atmospheric poisoning. what they are trying to do now, is to make economices responsible of-course. I think its a power shifting tactic... now that the BRIC's are accelerating, what do you do? slow em down? how? tax their production mechanisms...

note that there was no thinking about the earth and green house effects although the science was already there decades ago. shit the european economic boom and indudtrial revolution didn't pay their fair share...
Tweeter

Auckland, New Zealand

#13 Nov 11, 2012
DEVTA wrote:
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Bull shit, the data is relatively good from the time we had geo thermal instruments and devices of the sort.
We have only had this kind of technology for a very short period of time.Geological time scales are much longer than your human life span.

Much more research needs to be done. For all we know increases could be natural and probably are when it comes to Earthquakes and so on

“Educating poor IQ Sepians”

Since: Aug 12

Wellington

#14 Nov 11, 2012
all this aside, But yes of-course. NZ wont sign it because its surviving because of its FTA's not because NZ does not believe in the essence of the Kyoto protocol. Hell where is large scale manufacturing in NZ anyway?

I just relised that NZ went begging ofr an FTA and even put forward proposals to the BRIC nations, and ... well china is onboard..

“Educating poor IQ Sepians”

Since: Aug 12

Wellington

#15 Nov 11, 2012
Tweeter wrote:
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We have only had this kind of technology for a very short period of time.Geological time scales are much longer than your human life span.
Much more research needs to be done. For all we know increases could be natural and probably are when it comes to Earthquakes and so on
This conversation reminds me of the crap the geologists were talking about to the earthquake commission on the likelihood of another earthquake... they fkin dont know for sure... they never will ... and they always bullshit "more research required"... thats a standard script.
Tweeter

Auckland, New Zealand

#16 Nov 11, 2012
DEVTA wrote:
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This conversation reminds me of the crap the geologists were talking about to the earthquake commission on the likelihood of another earthquake... they fkin dont know for sure... they never will ... and they always bullshit "more research required"... thats a standard script.
Earthquakes are unpredictable Moron. Take it from me someone who lived in Japan for 20 years .One thing is for sure though they can happen on time scales of a 1000 years apart or more.

As I said before it"s only in resent times that we have had the technology to look into this.
Tweeter

Auckland, New Zealand

#17 Nov 11, 2012
Here's a good example of the timeline.

"It is an active fault. The plates shifted some 120,000 to 130,000 years ago for sure," Watanabe, of Tokyo's Toyo University, told AFP.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article....
damosgos

New Zealand

#18 Nov 11, 2012
surely the enourmous scale extraction of coal and oil from the earths mantle has a huge effect on the frequency of earthquakes? Both of these fossil fuels are also widely used as lubricants!!! Remove the naturally present lubricants and the plates are not going to interact as smoothly??????? Seems pretty straight forward to me!

Since: Nov 08

Auckland

#19 Nov 11, 2012
damosgos wrote:
surely the enourmous scale extraction of coal and oil from the earths mantle has a huge effect on the frequency of earthquakes? Both of these fossil fuels are also widely used as lubricants!!! Remove the naturally present lubricants and the plates are not going to interact as smoothly??????? Seems pretty straight forward to me!
I think you might be underestimating the thickness of the earth's mantle.

“Educating Utus”

Since: Aug 10

Wanganui, New Zealand

#20 Nov 11, 2012
damosgos wrote:
surely the enourmous scale extraction of coal and oil from the earths mantle has a huge effect on the frequency of earthquakes? Both of these fossil fuels are also widely used as lubricants!!! Remove the naturally present lubricants and the plates are not going to interact as smoothly??????? Seems pretty straight forward to me!
That's exactly the uninformed claptrap that has led devta and all the other morons to believe the sky is falling.

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