Karen Robinson was convicted of mansl...

Karen Robinson was convicted of manslaughter over the death of 14-month-old Melissa Sale.

There are 239 comments on the Bay of Plenty Times story from Aug 14, 2009, titled Karen Robinson was convicted of manslaughter over the death of 14-month-old Melissa Sale.. In it, Bay of Plenty Times reports that:

A Paengaroa foster caregiver will be sentenced in October for the manslaughter of a toddler she was supposed to be looking after.

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friend of Karens

New Zealand

#124 Feb 19, 2013
Karen never intended to play 'innocent' or a 'victim' as Melissas mum has said. She was in deep shock and stunned when she happened to make up a lie to the police that matched the evidence, as it was all but, what happened. She couldn't believe the effect herself in that state, with what she actually did. Very early on she told people the truth and said she wanted it brought up. She was strongly encouraged by two people who gave no thought as to the effect this would have on Karens conscience, not to say anything. Karen is an extremely honest person. To cope with this, she put all her focus on everything the Crown did wrong. They made it very easy for her to do so. This case is definitely totally fabricated to hide the truth, and she should not have been found guilty on their story; but she does not mind that she was found guilty, as she inadvertently and unintentionally made Melissa hit her head and she has borne deep guilt all her life over many things she blamed herself for, but shouldn't have. So she does not care that she was convicted. I guess she still has the psycological issue of getting her mind locked on things though, as she now understands totally how innocent people get sent to prison and that 100% innocent things can be turned around on a dime to appear 100% guilty and criminal. She also knows the government authorites are no better then actual perpetrators with how low they stoop and the corruption they cover up and she is pretty hell bent on having the truth be exposed.
friend of Karens

New Zealand

#125 Feb 19, 2013
Hinamanu. I think the police are overworked rather then lazy. Karen does not hold their misconduct against them, as she sees it that they knew she was guilty, but were frustrated in the lack of evidence to prove it. The majority of police were honest and professional in her case. She has actually received a lot of support from various police officers. However, it has made her totally understand how 100% innocent people are convicted and she is annoyed at what some people in society fall for, in their haste to put nastiness out there and show their true colors. For her personally, she is angry that the system was not only about conviction at all cost, which she doesn't mind, as she is guilty of assault, but that the system closes rank, so that Dr Patrick Kelly, social workers, Maralyn Silver and Jesse Graham, ESR scientist Susan Vintiner etc, get away with what they did, with no accountability whatsoever and that total lies about what happened to Melissa and surrounding her death, are told to the public and ruled as fact, in order to cover up the wrong they have said and done.
friend of Karens

New Zealand

#126 Feb 19, 2013
It's amazing what people could learn from Karen, if they actually bothered to listen. She is definitely not what the Crown, Melissas family, the criminal haters, nasty social workers etc in society, want to have people believe. I am proud to be her friend and she gets a lot of support and makes friends very easily, wherever she goes, from very reasonable lovely people.

“False Prophet”

Since: Jan 08

hamilton

#127 Feb 21, 2013
Well I see the Maori woman with the big waha has stopped commenting since you've brought so much light tot he subject.

“dont live in a dream world be ”

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#128 Feb 21, 2013
friend of Karens wrote:
Hinamanu. I think the police are overworked rather then lazy. Karen does not hold their misconduct against them, as she sees it that they knew she was guilty, but were frustrated in the lack of evidence to prove it. The majority of police were honest and professional in her case. She has actually received a lot of support from various police officers. However, it has made her totally understand how 100% innocent people are convicted and she is annoyed at what some people in society fall for, in their haste to put nastiness out there and show their true colors. For her personally, she is angry that the system was not only about conviction at all cost, which she doesn't mind, as she is guilty of assault, but that the system closes rank, so that Dr Patrick Kelly, social workers, Maralyn Silver and Jesse Graham, ESR scientist Susan Vintiner etc, get away with what they did, with no accountability whatsoever and that total lies about what happened to Melissa and surrounding her death, are told to the public and ruled as fact, in order to cover up the wrong they have said and done.
you said it shes guilty,why try and cover it up with a lie.
we all know the police bend and make up stuff to cover their own asses,but thats not all police,you are talking about the career men,some are in the job for the a better comunity.
but being guilty of assault on the kid says to me she done it and should never be trusted again alone with anyones kids.
would it really be worth the risk,i know a couple people that have been in a gang,left then when the going got tough went back to their gangs.when the going gets tough they resort back to what they knew,learnt behaviour
Friend of Karens

New Zealand

#129 Feb 23, 2013
She is totally trustworthy around kids now. It's different if psycological issues cause something, then the issues are resolved. It's not 'learnt'. I reckon anyone who had to cope with what she did would be at risk of doing the same thing. No one in this world can think they are 100% perfectly infallible. Most wouldn't have had the strength to cope with what she did.
Friend of Karens

New Zealand

#130 Feb 23, 2013
BTW 'sick of them', it's not about the police covering their own ass. It's about them covering up the hospital staffs balls up. Melissa was misdiagnosed and hospital staff refused to give her emergency treatment she needed based up what Karen said occurred, because of their misdiagnosis. That's why Melissas prognosis became very poor. She could have made a full recovery if they weren't so hell bent on putting it down to shaken baby; but because Karen told the TRUTH, that she shook Melissa to try and get a response from her, they wrote Melissa off. The coverup is about having to have it be shaken baby, especially after the very ignorant and unprofessional things said by Dr Patrick Kelly, the countries leading prosecution expert in child abuse cases, who was proven 100% wrong only by autopsy.
Friend of Karens

New Zealand

#131 Feb 23, 2013
You see, Karen should not have told the TRUTH to hospital staff. It was a low force low level fall that caused a subdural haemorrhage that the hospital didn't prioritise removing, so pressure was put upon Melissas brain and cut off circulation, causing tissue death; before they bothered to question themselves and decide to do something after all. But because Karen told the TRUTH, that she shook Melissa gently, to try and get a response from her, after Melissa collapsed in her arms, the hospital staff chose to put it down to solely shaken baby, and to write Melissa off. Like Karen has so often said, this case was never about the truth. So really did it matter that Karen said Melissa fell from a portacot, rather then she pushed her away from her and she fell from her standing height and happened to hit her head?
Friend of Karens

New Zealand

#132 Feb 23, 2013
Isn't it ironical that Karen now wants 100% truth to be acknowledged and accepted by the public and Melissas family, and is totally prepared to correct all they had wrong with the truth she knows, and yet, she is being so obstructed in her attempt to do so, because of how much the Crown has painted themselves into that corner Karen so likes the metaphor of, and because they now vehemently need to cover up THEIR lies?
Karen

Palmerston North, New Zealand

#133 Nov 6, 2013
Hi Hinamanu
I am out of prison. I was wondering if you are still following this blog?

“False Prophet”

Since: Jan 08

hamilton

#134 Nov 7, 2013
Karen wrote:
Hi Hinamanu
I am out of prison. I was wondering if you are still following this blog?
congratulations. Hope all is fine with you.

You can still catch me here

“False Prophet”

Since: Jan 08

hamilton

#135 Nov 7, 2013
sick of them wrote:
<quoted text>you said it shes guilty,why try and cover it up with a lie.
we all know the police bend and make up stuff to cover their own asses,but thats not all police,you are talking about the career men,some are in the job for the a better comunity.
but being guilty of assault on the kid says to me she done it and should never be trusted again alone with anyones kids.
would it really be worth the risk,i know a couple people that have been in a gang,left then when the going got tough went back to their gangs.when the going gets tough they resort back to what they knew,learnt behaviour
Roast busters has completely exposed police procedures nd now convictions in top cases such as Lundy, Bain and Marlborouuugh sounds have to be completely questioned in the way police conduct inquiriesw. fortunately the govt agrees and has bough tin a complete neutral investigation the police have no way of interferrring with.
Karen

Palmerston North, New Zealand

#136 Nov 7, 2013
Hi again Hinamanu

I am still trying to get a coroners inquest ordered. They have not had one and seem to be refusing. They do not want the public to know the truth.
Karen

Palmerston North, New Zealand

#137 Nov 7, 2013
I have put ESR's corruption to the ombudsman, but they are overwhelmed at the mo, (surprise surprise) so haven't heard back.

“False Prophet”

Since: Jan 08

hamilton

#138 Nov 8, 2013
Karen, we are actually in an era of accountability from God. This is why top people world wide are being investigated and convicted.

Including NZ.

If you press on you will move forward
karen

Wellington, New Zealand

#139 Nov 14, 2013
Hi Hinamanu
I don't really know what your comment means, except for the last sentence. I am managing that, that's what God does for me. God is not about having innocent people getting convicted and a corrupt so called 'justice' system and government authorities with no accountability, which is the era we are in.
karen

Wellington, New Zealand

#140 Nov 20, 2013
Hi Hinamanu

Just so you know it wasn't me who put those judgement icons on your comment. I'm surprised they are not on mine. I am a Christian and was a bit confused by what you said and wondered what you meant. That's all.

I think all is said that needs to be said on this site and I will not be putting further comments on, at least until I hear back from the Ombudsmans office and the Crown law office. I am picking they will do all they can to ensure it is not officially acknowledged that Melissa died as a result of the hospital assuming 'shaken baby' and writing her off, rather then doing an urgent operation to relieve pressure caused by a low level fall impact. But I can only try. It is not justice that the truth is covered up by them.

“False Prophet”

Since: Jan 08

hamilton

#141 Nov 22, 2013
God is with you Karen. Press into Him for His counsel. Seek a word from scripture.

History has already been won at the cross
Karen

Palmerston North, New Zealand

#142 Nov 24, 2013
Thank-you for your ongoing support Hinamanu. God is certainly with me. :)
karen

Wellington, New Zealand

#143 Jun 28, 2014
The New Zealand justice system seems to be such an absolute crock of shit. It is much more important to them to have paediatritians who refuse to give treatment to children on the whim of a guess, to the point of letting that child die rather then make a full recovery, save face; then it is to go all out to save a child. So long as they have a scapegoat, they will do as they please willy nilly. The Ombudmans office reckon it's not their role to investigate corruption in ESR when Susan Vintiner perjured that the luminal mark is from a male when it's Melissas. Funny how no one will give any evidence to support that lie, nor was defence ever given any. The Crown solicitor reckon that when a coroner says he's not holding an inquest, that that means one has been performed and we don't need another. The Health and Disability Commisioner reckon it's not their role to investigate corrupt unobjective, dishonest, unprofessional conduct of doctors. The police won't investigate the perjury of Susan Vintiner. They tell me the judge has to request that. What biased, arrogant judge who let the corrupt paediatritian run the show, play expert across all fields, undermine the actual Crown and defence experts and then accept his lies as fact to help him save face, is gonna request that?

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