Get it Right

New Zealand

#1473 Apr 27, 2011
Have you ever considered the suppression orders regarding Ewen Macdonald could be related to the trial of the name suppressed 21yo? We have no idea what the charges are against Ewen Macdonald, but hey, if there was an inkling that one trial could have an effect on another, don't you consider it safer to grant suppression orders so that ongoing mistrials would not occur. If this occurred outcomes would not be known for years and years and years. It would be negligent of a Judge not to grant suppression in such complicated matters as these. All is not as it seems so you should think before making comments and forming conclusions like you do. No one is going to continue to discuss these matters here because their pockets are not deep enough and the thought of spending chillybilly nights on the inside is not inviting. If anyone's got anything credible to offer, they should be contacting the prosecutors and/or defense teams not discussing matters here.

Since: Apr 11

Christchurch, New Zealand

#1474 Apr 27, 2011
Get it Right wrote:
Have you ever considered the suppression orders regarding Ewen Macdonald could be related to the trial of the name suppressed 21yo? We have no idea what the charges are against Ewen Macdonald, but hey, if there was an inkling that one trial could have an effect on another, don't you consider it safer to grant suppression orders so that ongoing mistrials would not occur. If this occurred outcomes would not be known for years and years and years. It would be negligent of a Judge not to grant suppression in such complicated matters as these. All is not as it seems so you should think before making comments and forming conclusions like you do. No one is going to continue to discuss these matters here because their pockets are not deep enough and the thought of spending chillybilly nights on the inside is not inviting. If anyone's got anything credible to offer, they should be contacting the prosecutors and/or defense teams not discussing matters here.
I don't think that there is anything wrong in discussing information that has already been published. For instance, Fairfax published a list of charges that the 21 yr old man faces (he must have been rather young when some of this happened):

"He faces six charges, including intentionally damaging a building, namely a residential house in Aorangi Rd, intending to cause loss to Diamond Homes, between January 30 and January 31, 2009, arson of a house removal trailer containing a building belonging to Brittons Housemovers on October 24 last year and intentionally destroying calves at Himatangi, near Feilding, between August 9 and August 10, 2007.

He also faces a charge of intentionally destroying a quantity of milk at Himatangi on August 9, 2007, arson of property at Himatangi between March 21 and March 22, 2008, and killing and theft of deer at Feilding between December 30 and December 31, 2006."

There's been a bit of criticism from media commentators about the interviews the Guy family gave to, well, just about anyone!
Get it Right

New Zealand

#1475 Apr 27, 2011
The suppression order for the 21yo states that NO ONE must do anything to publish, or communicate anything that can bring someone to the conclusion of the identity of the 21yo. The suppression orders for Ewen Macdonald are that NO ONE can publish or communicate anything that can bring someone to the conclusion of what the 6 charges that he has been charged with actually are.

So what are you going to discuss about this case then..........

Since: Apr 11

Christchurch, New Zealand

#1476 Apr 27, 2011
Get it Right wrote:
The suppression order for the 21yo states that NO ONE must do anything to publish, or communicate anything that can bring someone to the conclusion of the identity of the 21yo. The suppression orders for Ewen Macdonald are that NO ONE can publish or communicate anything that can bring someone to the conclusion of what the 6 charges that he has been charged with actually are.
So what are you going to discuss about this case then..........
So you don't think the media's grouping of the 21 year olds charges is actually a 'hint'? There are six suppressed charges against Ewen MacDonald, and the charges against the 21 yr old are listed as "He faces six charges ... ", and then they list another three charges against him (the 21 yr old) that occurred over the same period as the first.
Get it Right

New Zealand

#1477 Apr 27, 2011
in both of the both suppression scenarios the orders stand from the date they were issued. So I take that to mean exactly what it implies.

Party's over until either suppression is lifted I'm afraid
Get it Right

New Zealand

#1478 Apr 27, 2011
ChchSurvivor wrote:
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So you don't think the media's grouping of the 21 year olds charges is actually a 'hint'? There are six suppressed charges against Ewen MacDonald, and the charges against the 21 yr old are listed as "He faces six charges ... ", and then they list another three charges against him (the 21 yr old) that occurred over the same period as the first.
It was not the "media grouping" as you have implied so get it right.The Police media spokesperson first released that information. Nothing can be made of what has been released. Nothing has been made or implied that the charges Mr Macdonald faces are the same as the 21yo, END OF STORY.
EveryHuman

Christchurch, New Zealand

#1479 Apr 27, 2011
Get it Right wrote:
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It was not the "media grouping" as you have implied so get it right.The Police media spokesperson first released that information. Nothing can be made of what has been released. Nothing has been made or implied that the charges Mr Macdonald faces are the same as the 21yo, END OF STORY.
The media have written somewhere ALREADY that 2 of the charges re Ewen, relate to the wilful damage and the arson committed on Scott Guys property, and I will dig it out, AGAIN.

This is what I was talking about re what 73% of NZders are obviously feeling in the TI Global Survey - re: outcomes being SHAPED before court ever happens - The truth continues to be IRRELEVANT - what is to be regarded as chief evidence and not .... according to so-called 'rules of evidence', very very arbitrarily determined it would seem....

'We are in times' where funds for rewards from the public for information are REJECTED from the Police and the family with the only possible financial motive... and why????

Why are 101 basic investigative techniques being thwarted by the courts themselves - Why are people being put off from bringing forth more information. There is so much more to this case than meets the eye and everyone knows this to be true.

If the source is reliable, non-financially motivated, it can only be in the interest of justice.

Suppressing the 21 year old's name, and the charges against Ewen, works AGAINST getting to the truth. Why?
Get it Right

Auckland, New Zealand

#1480 Apr 27, 2011
for heavens sake, what are these 101 technique things you keep on about. I've seen others ask you for an explanation and todate I've not read one, so what are they

No suppression ever works against the truth, EVER
Get it Right

Auckland, New Zealand

#1481 Apr 27, 2011
END OF STORY END OF STORY END OF STORY END OF STORY
EveryHuman

Christchurch, New Zealand

#1482 Apr 27, 2011
Get it Right wrote:
for heavens sake, what are these 101 technique things you keep on about. I've seen others ask you for an explanation and todate I've not read one, so what are they
No suppression ever works against the truth, EVER
For serious crimes, or a "targetted killing" is the way the Police described the killing from DAY 1, there is normally a motive, and a plan that went hand in hand with the motive... and there are methodical Police 101 basic techniques that can unfold the plan in the end via 101 Forensics, interviewing techniques, Forensics accounting that is justified when families stories do not match... Have you spotted the contradictory family stories from day 1 yet?

The public are not as dumb as you think.
EveryHuman

Christchurch, New Zealand

#1483 Apr 27, 2011
Get it Right wrote:
END OF STORY END OF STORY END OF STORY END OF STORY
Perhaps Ewen will get acquitted due to the suppression orders and the pre-determined SHAPING of the outcome of this case, as has been played out too many times before, way too many times before in the "different rules for different people" Police culture where mates or brothers/friends of Police etc are allowed to murder if they so choose...

....but times were achanging come this years's election.
Get it Right

Auckland, New Zealand

#1484 Apr 27, 2011
EveryHuman wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps Ewen will get acquitted due to the suppression orders and the pre-determined SHAPING of the outcome of this case, as has been played out too many times before, way too many times before in the "different rules for different people" Police culture where mates or brothers/friends of Police etc are allowed to murder if they so choose...
....but times were achanging come this years's election.
You'd better buy in more coffee and tea as me thinks you might have a few more visitors than you expected real SOON. You can be assured you will not receive suppression orders given that you're so much against them lovey we will not recommend them for you
Get it Right

Auckland, New Zealand

#1485 Apr 27, 2011
EveryHuman wrote:
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For serious crimes, or a "targetted killing" is the way the Police described the killing from DAY 1, there is normally a motive, and a plan that went hand in hand with the motive... and there are methodical Police 101 basic techniques that can unfold the plan in the end via 101 Forensics, interviewing techniques, Forensics accounting that is justified when families stories do not match... Have you spotted the contradictory family stories from day 1 yet?
The public are not as dumb as you think.
you're dying to tell us what these contradictions are, go on, tell us nOW
Cut and Pasting

Christchurch, New Zealand

#1486 Apr 27, 2011
Get it Right wrote:
<quoted text>
You'd better buy in more coffee and tea as me thinks you might have a few more visitors than you expected real SOON. You can be assured you will not receive suppression orders given that you're so much against them lovey we will not recommend them for you
More veiled threats....
Get it Right

New Zealand

#1487 Apr 28, 2011
Cut and Pasting wrote:
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More veiled threats....
what are you on about with this "veiled threats" stuff, I was just saying that once you've publicly announced you're progress towards running for the upcoming elections, you'll have lots of people really interested in sitting down with you finding out just who you are and what your policies are, that's all. if you want to twist things around like this, you'll need to learn how to alter your thought processes as oftentimes all is not what you think and you have proven this time and time again.

Since: Apr 11

Christchurch, New Zealand

#1488 Apr 28, 2011
Some people just get MORE transparent.

I had almost forgotten the time, Police did what is termed legally an "Irrational Arrest" on me.

I found myself in a Police cell with a psychotic P addict, and another time with 3 P addicts, and a murderer, who was freely admitting to the murder, but of course...

Anyway, the Police always seem to forget that I was
Manager of Mental Health homes, trained and indeed fast-tracked because of my skills with de-escalating/problem solving violent situations. I had the best budget management reasons for mental homes for a very good reason - I was simply increbibly skilled, and was able to translate behavioural management strategies into reducing staff ratios, and therefore lower cost run homes - I promoted autonomy/self determination/quality living - a win-win for all concerned...
which was the other reason my family was still alive to-date, despite having had to deal with someone so much more worse than I had ever come across in the mental health homes being a very evil psychosociopath.

Anyway, this one time I am put in a cell, and I was
asking to see a lawyer etc, and of course it takes 8 hours, BUT OF COURSE, for me to be given my rights... MEANWHILE it turns out the Police have gone to this woman's house, and dragged her out of bed at 5am in the morning for an alleged offence that had occurred 3 WHOLE WEEKS earlier.

What a co-incidence the Police decide to arrest her AFTER they put me in the cell, and 3 weeks after her alleged offence - I asked the woman why she thought they hadn't arrested earlier - she had no clue, and also why they had to do it at 5am in the morning...And yes she was pretty rattled and grumpy...

She admitted quite freely to beating up her girlfriend for cheating on her, and now I was in cell with her cussing and swearing about the girlfriend and the Police, but mostly she was swearing about the cheating girlfriend... I s'pose I was supposed to get a beating in the time I was waiting to be released....

Then another time I am waiting, I am put in with 3 tough P addicts, and a murderer who happily tells how she slit the neighbour's throat for talking badly about her brother...

All I can think to myself was "Geez, could the Police get anymore transparent... the Police stick me in there with my out of place clothes". Had I known, I would have worn jeans and something more casual....

Anyway, I talked if they wanted to talk - I listened if they wanted to talk - I slept if they wanted to say nothing at all, and I was released unscathed - I collected my ration of smokes despite not being a smoker, and shared them out, ate my McDonalds lunch and was the last of everyone to be released at the end of the allowable 24 hours... I found it to be a very interesting experience, but I always played it 100% low key....

Meanwhile the Police only got MORE transparent.... like how they set me up, or TRY hard to set me up again and again.... "There you go mate, we have let you get away with assault and wilful damage, threatening to kill - well we did have to take your guns that time - but anyway, we will NEVER arrest/charge you MATE.. so go ahead..."

And the murder rate DOUBLED in 2010 for murders, where the killer was known to the victim.

Yeah, I s'pose I'd have a few things to tell people/media when the time comes "Get it Right".... not to mention many many many recommedations to re-iterate again from the Leitner International Organisation Report.
Pat

New Zealand

#1489 Apr 28, 2011
You're nothing but a pile of proverbial shxt#. You attest that you have "Anyway, the Police always seem to forget that I was
Manager of Mental Health homes, trained and indeed fast-tracked because of my skills with de-escalating/problem solving violent situations". How can this be so when you openly discuss the alleged violence perpetrated against you by your exhusband. Talk about contradictions of the enth degree.... You're a total waste of space and oxygen as far as I'm concerned. I'm outta here, never to return. Go look after your poor darling children that have to live with you for no fault of their own. Poor darlings....
Get it Right

New Zealand

#1490 Apr 28, 2011
I'm really trying to understand where you are coming from, and I'm possibly not the only one. You say "And the murder rate DOUBLED in 2010 for murders, where the killer was known to the victim." Well let me know where I can view the datum from which you gather this information. You simply cannot keep quoting this unless you show the statistical evidence.
Sarah

Wellington, New Zealand

#1491 Apr 28, 2011
EveryHuman wrote:
I found myself in a Police cell with a psychotic P addict, and another time with 3 P addicts, and a murderer, who was freely admitting to the murder, but of course...
Yawn, maybe you were just looking in the mirror and saw a psychotic P addict.

It would be mildly interesting to know just how many times you have been arrested.
whatisblatantlyc lear

UAE

#1492 Apr 28, 2011
Sarah wrote:
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Yawn, maybe you were just looking in the mirror and saw a psychotic P addict.
It would be mildly interesting to know just how many times you have been arrested.
Everyhuman aka Multiple ID's most recent posting was hilariously delusional Sarah and does eludes to having been arrested a number of times ... What a fine upstanding member of society she is Sarah ... My bet is her rap sheet is a mile long !..mmm Irrational Arrest by the Police ... is a legal term ???? well thats a new one... I wonder what she will come up with next ... Im sure it will be delusional and off the wall as all of her postings/rantings are ... but my bet is it will also be self serving, self rightous and very very nasty ... once again

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