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Carl

Kerikeri, New Zealand

#1 Jul 29, 2010
Someone must know who killed Scott Guy. Come on tell us what you know? How was it done? Howd you foil the cops all this time? Does anyone know anything?

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Torqueing Heads

Palmerston North, New Zealand

#2 Aug 22, 2010
Carl wrote:
Someone must know who killed Scott Guy. Come on tell us what you know? How was it done? Howd you foil the cops all this time? Does anyone know anything?
Scott had an ongoing feud with local Maoris for years concerning the lease of Maori land. Buildings had been torched and he had several death threats. I would assume his death would have to be related to those events.
Carl

Kerikeri, New Zealand

#3 Aug 23, 2010
Torqueing Heads wrote:
<quoted text> Scott had an ongoing feud with local Maoris for years concerning the lease of Maori land. Buildings had been torched and he had several death threats. I would assume his death would have to be related to those events.
But I thought the farm was jointly owned with his father, or the rest of the Guys. Have the other Guys been threatened?

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Concerned

Napier, New Zealand

#4 Sep 2, 2010
Torqueing Heads wrote:
<quoted text> Scott had an ongoing feud with local Maoris for years concerning the lease of Maori land. Buildings had been torched and he had several death threats. I would assume his death would have to be related to those events.
Is that actual fact or your own speculation? None of this information has been mentioned by police?? You talk like you actually knew Scott Guy?!
Carl

Kerikeri, New Zealand

#5 Sep 2, 2010
Concerned wrote:
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Is that actual fact or your own speculation? None of this information has been mentioned by police?? You talk like you actually knew Scott Guy?!
I don't know who Torqueing heads is, but I do know that Police sit on information very frequently, and do cover-ups very frequently for the purposes of 'damage-control'. The Guy family were very anti accepting offers of rewards from the Public, and 3 more people were shot with shot-guns in the very same area, who were reported to be "good" citizens, with a loving marriage, by their closest friends, and well adjusted people, who had only just bought their farm/lifestyle block and working hard on it, before they got killed (it was NO suicide) so it does make you wonder.....

If it was my son that was killed, I would have grabbed onto anything like a reward, if it meant getting more info to find how who killed my son, since the Police had failed. Brian Guy knows more than what he is saying... and 3 more people got shot, that didn't need to, and who are the first people that get to hear about the new shootings from the Police? The family of the killed or the Brian Guy? They tell Brian Guy first.

The police know the public are dumb, and so another cover-up goes under the radar AGAIN.

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Concerned

Napier, New Zealand

#6 Sep 2, 2010
Having a reward is just inviting time wasters and misleading information, I believe it was police's decision to block the rewards not the family.

I don't believe the police have failed in this situation, I think they are doing their best with the little information they have. It appears Scott Guy was a lovely person and family man, and this was a horrible and random thing to happen to him and his family, so it would make it hard for police. If it was a known criminal or bad person then perhaps they would have more clues..?

and I believe it to be courteous for the police to inform the Guy family about the 3 bodies being found before media were told, not before family members as you say.

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Louise Guy

Auckland, New Zealand

#7 Oct 5, 2010
The Guy family was not very anti accepting public rewards. Please don't give half a story and try to make our family sound suspicious. The reason the reward offers were not accepted was because the Police had suggested it was not a good idea at that stage of the investigation. They did not want it to cloud matters because as Concerned has pointed out, it brings in a lot of time-wasters. People who would take away the efforts of the Police from real leads.

Carl, why are you assuming that Bryan knows more than he is saying? It sounds a lot to me like you are suggesting he's not that concerned about finding his son's killer. The entire family is devasted by this. Do you have any idea how hard things are for the family having to wait and not know who did this? Bryan has stated that it is hard, but the family has to be patient and let the Police do their job.

I really don't know where this theory about a feud over land came from. The Guy family has had that land for at least the last 50 years. You see, this was the kind of speculation and time-wasting the Police wanted to avoid with the public reward.

The Police have very little to go on. You need to take in to account that this happened in the very early hours of the morning, when there weren't many people around to see anything. There wasn't much evidence at the scene either. There were no shell-casings, no murder weapon, no witnesses. The Police have not failed, they have done all they can with what they have.

I really hope that someone comes forward with information that will help the Police find his killer. Hearing his wife wailing with the pain of losing him at the funeral was just awful. I hope his killer is caught so she can have some kind of closure.

This isn't a statement on behalf of the Guy family, but as a member of it I felt I had to say a few things to hopefully clear some things up.

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Carl

Papakura, New Zealand

#8 Oct 5, 2010
I have alot of respect for the Police in Auckland that handled the Carmen case. They used minimum Police personnel, were methodical, but most important of all, they kept the public informed every single step of the way, and therefore had full buy-in / assistance from the public.

The Police in the Manawatu are incompetent have bought the entire region down, what with this piece on Close-up calling Palmy the worst place in NZ. The Police in the Manawatu did the exact opposite of getting 'buy-in' from the public. The Police were stone-walled, and they needed to grab on to those rewards, BECAUSE they had no tangible leads.

Right from the onset, the Police did not secure the perimeter of the crime scene, and the shot-gun could have gone walking at any point in time under the Police noses, while they were distracted with puppies...

The Guys have their own land AND lease Maori land.

Has a DNA sample been taken from the new baby to match it to Scott Guys DNA? Just asking, what everyone else is asking. Multiple shots were fired, and echoed against the plains and Kylee hears nothing, and then wails as loud as Mark Lundy, only she is better looking....

Brian Guy has already stated he gets nervous sometimes when out alone on the tractor....

And as for the 45 plus staff on the Scott Guy case for 3 months, at a cost of 3/4 million dollars - pathetic and appalling use of resources to-date - No wonder they have bought in Bell to sort out the real 'time-wasters'. A reward may have saved hundreds of thousands, and this murder wasn't just about the Guys. This was about public-safety, and the public had been so willing to help, then what happens 3 more people shot my shotgun, " a loving marriage" is what the best friend of the woman said... What a damage-control cover-up... No wonder Close-up went on the attack of this area. The Police have alot to answer the public for, for their safety and bringing the region down, and house prices down.

Kudos and a big bouquet to the Auckland Inspector who worked with passion and rigid persistent methodology, to bring peace and the truth to Carmen and her family, and 3/4 million brick bats to the Police in the Manawatu Region.

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Carl

Papakura, New Zealand

#9 Oct 5, 2010
The reason Bell has been bought in, is to 'generate leads', not cause speculation but generate leads, and in conjunction, give people the "social green-light" to come forward with everything/anything they know, as insignificant or significant as it may seem.

The murderer of 1 possibly 4 people is at large, and that puts EVERYONE at risk, and there are people right now living in the tight area where these 4 killings BY shot-gun took place, living with shot-guns under their bed (more accidents/murders waiting to happen). Mid-central of the Scott Guy murder and the Lees road murder X 2 or murders X 3 is Maori lease land.

Whanau Ora commenced officially July 1, 2010, just before Scott Guy got shot, multiple times, with the shots echoing across the plain...., and later 3 others.

Bell reckons those in jail or associates of, may come forward - I'd be checking the Community Mental health homes that came into the new funding under Whanau Ora - those spiritually-land aggrieved who may have had a bit more freedom than usual... especially after Mason Durie making a point of giving a speech at the Feilding vigil....

... And if I know Bell he will be skillfully giving EVERYONE the social greenlight to come forward with any nagging thought/lead/clue. Cause that's what REAL Police investigators do. They don't conduct womens-week media circuses.
Carl

Papakura, New Zealand

#10 Oct 6, 2010
The reason Bell has been bought in, is to 'generate leads', not cause speculation but generate leads, and in conjunction, give people the "social green-light" to come forward with everything/anything they know, as insignificant or significant as it may seem.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm...
Police track slain farmer's Facebook friends
10:43 AM Thursday Oct 7, 2010

Scott Guy was shot dead on July 8.

Mr Guy was shot dead in the driveway of his Aorangi Rd home in Feilding early on July 8.

Police today confirmed they had sent emails to "between 300 and 400" people who were friends with Mr Guy and his wife Kylee on the popular social networking site Facebook.....
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"The purpose is to complete a background picture of Scott and to identify any information that might be relevant to the investigation," she said.....

An appeal for information, reiterating the main areas of inquiry, will screen on popular television crime show Police Ten-7 tonight.

"It's always been a consideration to use Police Ten-7 as another means of eliciting information," investigation head Detective Inspector Sue Schwalger said.

"It is a different audience and demographic to other media and with any investigation you look at ways you can reach different audiences."

- NZPA

Accepting the public's offers for rewards would also have targetted a DIFFERENT AUDIENCE.

Police have been very irresponsible to cut out this particular audience.

That is, the person that shot Scott Guy was no saint, and certainly does not have friends or acquaintances that are martyrs. These type of people having NO interest whatsover "in doing the right thing": The person that killed Scott Guy is a psychosociopath that believed that Scott Guy deserved to die, or had to die - They had no regard for this person's life or Scott Guy's family, and someone out there knows a small something or knows everything.

That someone may also have the attitude, of why would I ever want to help the Police or the Guy family?

To keep 45 plus staff on the case at a cost of 3/4 million dollars, and stand on principal as to not accepting rewards to get information leading to the capture of the killer is FALSE ECONOMY, vanity, and shows total disregard for public safety.

To draw out this case for another hour longer, and close down an avenue for leads to the capture of the killer is GROSSLY IRRESPONSIBLE and PURE VANITY on the part of the police at a huge ridiculous cost to the tax-payer, and again is FALSE ECONOMY, which Inspector Bell knows only too well.....
Concerned

Napier, New Zealand

#11 Oct 12, 2010
Carl wrote:
Has a DNA sample been taken from the new baby to match it to Scott Guys DNA? Just asking, what everyone else is asking. Multiple shots were fired, and echoed against the plains and Kylee hears nothing, and then wails as loud as Mark Lundy, only she is better looking....
Brian Guy has already stated he gets nervous sometimes when out alone on the tractor....
I am totally disgusted at your suggestion of a DNA test. Who are you to make assumptions like that?! and no your not asking what everyone else is asking, you are being rude towards the family and trying to speculate different scenarios to which you obviously know nothing about the victim or his wife and family.

Oh course Brian Guy would be nervous whilst on his tractor alone, who wouldn't be, if your own son had been gunned down without any explanation or reasoning behind this random attack you would be to.

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Carl

Papakura, New Zealand

#12 Oct 12, 2010
Concerned wrote:
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I am totally disgusted at your suggestion of a DNA test. Who are you to make assumptions like that?! and no your not asking what everyone else is asking, you are being rude towards the family and trying to speculate different scenarios to which you obviously know nothing about the victim or his wife and family.
Oh course Brian Guy would be nervous whilst on his tractor alone, who wouldn't be, if your own son had been gunned down without any explanation or reasoning behind this random attack you would be to.
Pray tell me, what is the difference between Mark Lundy and Kylee Guy? There is no difference, except the Police chose not to look for puppies, and chose not to spend 3 months looking for someone else at a cost of a million dollars and more, in the Lundy case. The Police did not secure the crime scene and did not examine the Guy house with impartiality. Indeed they did not examine the house at all.

Until the Police find the killer, Kylee is the most obvious suspect given "Mark Lundy-investigative technique rationale".

If I was Kylee I would happily provide a DNA swab for cross comparison, considering she was unable to hear loud gun-shots echoing across the plains.

What is disgusting is the Manawatu Police's obvious incompetency when conducting murder investigations.

The refusal to accept offered rewards is pure vanity on the part of Police, and shows total disregard for public safety. There has been no attempt to give the social green light to those that may know something. The Police in this area, unlike the Police in Auckland on the Carmen case where there was complete public buy-in, need to go back to school.

The attitude of "concerned" is self-indulgent and shows complete disregard for public safety, considering there were 2 more murders at the least within a short time after this murder.

It is becoming obvious that the killer will never be found, because it has been decided it would be bad publicity for the Police and the Guys for the murderer to be revealed now. Certain attitudes are revealing and disgusting.
Carl

Papakura, New Zealand

#13 Oct 12, 2010
As for the arrest of Brad Callaghan for the murder of Carmen, had that same case occurred in the Manawatu there would have been no progresss made, because the Police here would have viewed Brad Callaghan in the same way they viewed Kylee Guy, a middle class white socially well-adjusted individual and therefore innocent, and the victim would turn in their grave again and again and again.

The public would be treated like imbeciles and left at risk.
Offers of rewards would again be rejected, and when a contractor happening upon a bag of clothes in a construction site in the Manawatu - well they would say nothing because of red-neck disgusting individuals like "concerned".... they would not want the needless aggravation or the wrath....

...Good game-playing on the Police, for the murderer, and more shot-guns under the bed for the public..... and hence why the Police are now arming themselves - and the mortality rate on both sides will rise, as countries like the U.S show only too well.
Carl

Papakura, New Zealand

#14 Oct 15, 2010
Now that's typical, property is worth more than life, or is it more about over-time for the Police, and dragging out the investigation forever?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news...
Reward offered for power vandals
Manawatu Standard Last updated 12:00 16/10/2010

A $5000 reward for information leading to the capture of vandals they believe deliberately sabotaged Palmerston North power lines and caused an outage in Longburn and Awapuni last night.

The incident is the most recent in a string of vandalism attacks on power lines in the region....

Anyone with information on these, or last night's attacks, can contact Powerco or the Palmerston North police.....

So Police are fine with a reward for property but not for human life....

What a cover-up for Police incompetence....

I wonder what the public that offered rewards and effort think about this?
Benji

Porirua, New Zealand

#15 Oct 16, 2010
Carl, I have been reading through your posts and from your comments it appears you seem to have a real problem with the Manawatu Police. You have also made some very unkind remarks concerning the Guy family, do you know them? Being from Auckland I am suprised you have this much of an opinion/interest in this case or the Police staff working on the case.
I find it absolutely disgusting that you think you have a right to question the paternity of Kylee Guy's newborn child and speak ill of her as if she is a suspect. Have you experienced losing your loved one in such a tragic way? Unless you have you have no idea what Kylee Guy is going through, she is an innocent victim whose whole world changed the day her husband was taken from her. With all this poor girl is going through how can you so harshly judge her and publicly suggest she has to prove who the father is of her son, shame on you! As for calling 'Concerned' a red-neck, this person was also expressing their opinion and had some relevant points, but obviously you are only interested in broadcasting your own theories. There will always be talk of why something so sinister has happened, always another person with a theory, thats fine it is human nature to wonder why something like thiscould happen to a decent man, but if you do not know the people concerned then you should refrain from launching any personal attacks on them, especially in this case where Kylee Guy is a victim herself and her husbands murderer remains free.
Perhaps you can discuss your ideas on how to solve this case with the Manawatu Police, I am sure they would be keen to hear from you with any assistance you can offer them.
For everyone else who has been decent enough to post normal comments on this discussion, lets hope that whoever did murder Scott Guy is caught so Scott's wife, children and families can have some closure. It is my opinion and it is just that, that the Police have been conducting a thorough investigation and remain committed to solving this case and that Scott Guy was a decent family man who had no skeltons in the closet and for what reamins an unknown reason at this stage has been brutally murdered. Do any of us really know what Kylee and her family are going through!

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Tom

Tauranga, New Zealand

#16 Oct 23, 2010
Why is Scott's mate now living with Kylee up in Hawkes Bay?? Doesn't that seem odd??
Carl

Papakura, New Zealand

#17 Oct 23, 2010
@ Benji: The highest reason for assaults and homicide is domestic related. Spouses kill spouses.

I say again, had the Auckland Carmen case occurred in the Manawatu, Brade Callaghan would never have been arrested because he is white with a good job and Carmen would not have been considered worth the work because of "the different rules for different people" policies which go hand in hand with the general sexist racist policies in the Manawatu.... It is because of the bigotry of the Manawatu Police that there are so many unsolved cases, and multiple deaths in a short succession in the Manawatu.

Believe you me, the Manawatu police know full well they did not secure the perimeter crime scene leaving ample opportunity for a cover-up. Kylee had no alibi. At least Mark Lundy did have an alibit, including the lap-top his wife was completing GST returns on at 11pm at night making it impoossible for Lundy to have killed her. The only difference between Lundy and Kylee, was the police were under pressure to get a killer, and Lundy was an easy scape-goat that the Public would be happy to accept ....

The Manawatu Police have been incompetent, and covering up their incompetence for a very very long time, and no way am I interested in dealing with crooks. I send all my information to the IPCA, and ask for Ministerial Enquiries frequently, and the speculation regarding the spate of killings is RIFE, with many keeping shot-guns under their bed cause they KNOW the Police are incompetent, and have failed to do their job: Public safety -

Don't be so arrogant to make this about the Guys who could potentially be sitting on information costing the tax-payers hundreds of thousands ... and as for Tom's comment, well what's a DNA test... a quick swab to eliminate a suspect - standard police procedure - she had no alibi, and the multiple gun shots echoed across the plain. STANDARD POLICE procedure is to secure the crime scene perimeter - the Police did not - they instead focused on the puppies ONLY in the first CRUCIAL days of the investigation, and this has already been reported to the IPCA, but you joe-blow public would never hear about it... as the IPCA are IMMUNE to the Official Information Act 1982.

If the Auckland Police had been investigating this, who are methodical professionals, the case would have been solved by now, maybe even in 3 days it would have been sovled as opposed to neary 4 months with 45 full time staff who are now trawling through all the Guys face book friends, cause they know the murder was deliberate and calculated, but they missed the boat to get the evidence and they know it, so now they are trying to build a circumstantial case - Pathetic. The murderer KNEW they could get away with murder in the Manawatu - Pathetic.

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Benji

Nelson, New Zealand

#18 Oct 25, 2010
Tom: It is interesting that your only comment after all of these posts relate to Kylee Guys living arrangements. Your comment leans towards an accusaction she has shacked up with one of her husbands friends?? Do you know the full extent of her living arrangements and where she actuall is?

Carl: I just don't know what to say to you. Like ive said before I am uncertain why such an indepth interest in this case for you, you come across as having inside information (or thinking you do) when it comes to Kylee or the Guy family and such a strong resentment towards them and the Manawatu Police its quite scary! I am fully aware that most homicides in NZ these days are domestic related and there have been plenty of cases in many different regions where police have made an arrest in a situation where the spouse has done it. So its not only Auckland that are successful in solving cases, I believe Manawatu have successfully solved murder cases before!! have you been to the Guy house, do you know what you could or couldn't hear on the property or at the neighboruing properties - NO I am pretty certain you have no idea, just a theory. Kylee Guy is obviously not a suspect and as a victim I think that you should refer to her with a bit more respect. Also it is bad taste to repeatedly talk ill of innocent children when you have nothing but an overactive imagination when it comes to the paternity of them.
Carl

Papakura, New Zealand

#19 Oct 26, 2010
Fact: The Manawatu Police did not secure the crime scene perimeter.

Fact: Kylee Guy has no alabi, and was interviewed by the Police at the Palmerston North Police Station, and was/is a suspect. She was within ear-shot of the multiple gun shots.

Fact: Spouse on spouse is the highest cause of homicide.

My only interest in this case, is the fact that Police are too regularly committing crimes, and aiding and abetting criminals simply to save face, when they are incompetent.

Eg: A cop has recently gone to jail for perjury for trying to scape-goat a good 17 year old boy for an accident where it was the cop that was reckless - this 17 year old boy suffered depression, and his world was blown apart that a cop could succeed with damning his good name, effectively making it he that was the criminal when he knew he was innocent - this sort of disgusting behaviour is only too common in the Manawatu but it involve the Judiciary in partnership with the Police... and now we see a Supreme Court Judge Bill Wilson getting a 1 million dollar hand shake for his corruption...to protect the Justice system institution.

The Lees Road Murder/suicide is also called into question when the best friend said the couple were happily married....

"Saving face / promoting a media circus for Kylee Guy and the Guys to detract for appalling Police investigative technique - and Mark Lundy's wife computer entry at 11pm being erased by the Police and glossed over by the court Judges - disgusting appalling unprofessional behaviours...

.... and whats worse everyone in the region knows these incestuous STATE corrupt behaviours are rampant and thriving... and all to save face of the Police, the Judges, and the Justice Institution which is anything BUT just, with human rights lawyers being jailed for up to 3 months for contempt of court for questioning the upprofessional behaviours of these Judges, and this is my concern and should be everyones concern and interest, apart from those simply wanting to keep dirty family secrets in the closet....

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Papakura, New Zealand

#20 Oct 26, 2010
Fact: The Manawatu Police did not secure the crime scene perimeter.

Fact: Kylee Guy has no alabi, and was interviewed by the Police at the Palmerston North Police Station, and was/is a suspect. She was within ear-shot of the multiple gun shots, as he lay there bleeding for 2 hours - she didn't look out the window and wonder why his Ute was still there...

Fact: Spouse on spouse is the highest cause of homicide.

My only interest in this case, is the fact that Police are too regularly committing crimes, and aiding and abetting criminals simply to save face, when they are incompetent.

Eg: A cop has recently gone to jail for perjury for trying to scape-goat a good 17 year old boy for an accident where it was the cop that was reckless - this 17 year old boy suffered depression, and his world was blown apart that a cop could succeed with damning his good name, effectively making it he that was the criminal when he knew he was innocent - This sort of disgusting behaviour is only too common in the Manawatu but it is very often involving the Judiciary in partnership with the Police...

That is, in the Manawatu, I do not believe this 17 year old boy would have been given his validation and vindication. The Police institution would have preserved by the Manawatu Judiciary at the expense of this vulnerable innocent 17 year old boy, in order to simply preserve the reputation of the Manawatu Police.
And now we see a Supreme Court Judge Bill Wilson getting a 1 million dollar hand shake for his corruption...to protect the Justice system institution.

The Lees Road Murder/suicide, within minutes away from the Scott guy murder is also called into question, when the best friend said the couple were happily married.... 45 Police were already on the Scott Guy case, and the Police were simply out resourced...
"Saving face" / promoting a media circus for Kylee Guy and the Guys to detract for appalling Police investigative technique - and Mark Lundy's wife computer entry at 11pm being erased by the Police and glossed over by the court Judges - disgusting appalling unprofessional behaviours...

.... And whats worse, everyone in the region knows these incestuous STATE corrupt behaviours are rampant and thriving... and all to save face of the Police, the Judges.

The Justice Institution which is anything BUT just, is seeing human rights lawyers being jailed for up to 3 months for contempt of court for questioning the unprofessional behaviours of these Judges,

and this is my concern and should be everyones concern and interest, apart from those simply wanting to keep dirty family secrets in the closet....

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