Karen Robinson was convicted of mansl...

Karen Robinson was convicted of manslaughter over the death of 14-month-old Melissa Sale.

There are 237 comments on the Bay of Plenty Times story from Aug 14, 2009, titled Karen Robinson was convicted of manslaughter over the death of 14-month-old Melissa Sale.. In it, Bay of Plenty Times reports that:

A Paengaroa foster caregiver will be sentenced in October for the manslaughter of a toddler she was supposed to be looking after.

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Karen Robinson

New Plymouth, New Zealand

#1 Aug 26, 2009
What the jury wasn't told

In August I was convicted of manslaughter of my foster daughter. Here's a little of what the jury wasn't told:

The police initially laid a charge of assault and withdrew that because the 'evidence' did not support it' and there was 'no suspicious circumstances". You can check out a story in the Bay of Plenty Times of 29 April 2006, titled "Bay foster carer cleared of assault". Of course all previous stories have been removed from the internet. It would seem the police had substantial doubt, but the jury didn't have reasonable doubt. The police in their excuse to re-arrest me after I made police complaints at the end of 2006 said they had new evidence. I was given none at my murder arrest interview, but finally over a year later a written statement from the neurosurgeon was given to my lawyer as the 'new evidence'. He stated that he did a craniotomy and removed a clot. Of course this was known to police in the early hours of 5 Jan 2006.

Medical experts lied on the stand. Patrick Kelly in particular, but also Dr Jones. You know Melissa did not have bruised ears, so does every other medical expert who laid eyes on her. Melissa died because of the nine hour delay before surgery, it took for Tauranga hospital to bother attempting to send her to Starship. Lies surround that too of course, and of why life support was turned off. You had no evidence of bruised ears or two impact marks either side of her head, that's because they weren't there, yet you put weight on that anyway. You could see with your own eyes the cold arrogance of the ambulance driver. The police did not use his partners statement because that was very much in my favor.

It was said of the Bain trial that the 'police do things differently nowadays when their low tactics came to light. I know they are better at covering it up.

BTW I always believed David Bain was innocent. His hands are clean, but there were a lot of dirty hands of the authorities in his case also. People who have blind faith in those we are mean't to have faith in and still persecute David Bain, open up the wool over your heads a crack and get real!

You know where to find me if you would like to know more of what the jury wasn't told. I have proof for you.

Karen Robinson
Auckland Women's

“False Prophet”

Since: Jan 08

hamilton

#2 Aug 29, 2009
Hi Karen

didn't know you would be allowed use of a computer in Jail

Esp to talk about your case.

The specialists are talking on hearsay without the evidence. If they have no documented proof your lawyers have room to work.

THat's if you're paying for a lawyer and not using court lawyers.

I have also learnt to print stories immediately I see them because as you say, they disappear.

Can't your lawyers use the medics evidence supporting you?

Leif

Ottawa, Canada

#3 Aug 30, 2009
The problem is that it's a specialist's professional privilege to evaluate hearsay and form an "expert" conclusion based on it. It also isn't exactly news that courts tend to only hear what they happen to want to hear.
Not to offend Aussies or anything, but such proceedings then end up turning into the proverbial 'kangaroo court'.
Karen

New Plymouth, New Zealand

#4 Aug 31, 2009
Hi Hinamanu

My lawyer told me I can not use the positive ambulance officers statement because the Crown chose not to use it.

My lawyer chose not to point out hearsay and the judge allowed it too. My lawyer was extremely passive or as she calls it "making our case positive". My entire case almost, was based on hearsay.

“False Prophet”

Since: Jan 08

hamilton

#5 Aug 31, 2009
If the case is built around what the crown chooses to use there's no need for defence counsel, judges or juries.

A lawyer that does not challenge hearsay is not doing their job.

If your lawyer is placed in contempt of court for challenging hearsay, it is the court that is contemptible. Defense also for no principles.
Tweeter

Tsuchiura, Japan

#6 Aug 31, 2009
Karen Robinson wrote:
Of course all previous stories have been removed from the internet.
Wouldn't happen. New Zealand law doesn't cover sites outside of it's jurisdiction like TOPIX.

Just how did your foster child die ? I wouldn't call her daughter because you weren't the bio mum and you hadn't adopted her.
Tweeter

Tsuchiura, Japan

#7 Aug 31, 2009
hinamanu wrote:
Hi Karen
didn't know you would be allowed use of a computer in Jail
Esp to talk about your case.
She's not in jail YET !

Kind of stupid to talk about it on a forum like TOPIX though.

Friday, 14 August, 2009 - 19:28

Wellington, Aug 14 NZPA - A foster caregiver convicted of the manslaughter of a toddler was remanded on bail until she is sentenced in October.

Karen Robinson went on trial in the High Court at Rotorua late last month for the murder of 14-month-old Melissa Sale.

Earlier this week the 35-year-old Paengaroa woman was convicted of the manslaughter of the toddler she was supposed to be looking after. She was remanded on bail, to reappear in court for sentence on October 30.

Melissa died on January 8, 2006, at Auckland's Starship Children's Hospital, after her life support was turned off, the Bay of Plenty times reported.

Her death came four days after she was rushed by ambulance to Tauranga Hospital and then on to Starship, where she had emergency surgery to remove a clot on her brain.

Experts said Melissa died from severe subdural bleeding, a traumatic brain injury.

Robinson claimed the brain injury was due to the child falling from her portacot.

Her lawyer, Rachael Adams, told the court Melissa's death was an accident and Robinson "did nothing to harm the child in any way".

However the Crown alleged that on the day Melissa was injured, Robinson told a social worker and a police officer that she had shaken the child.

It was claimed there had been two incidents of traumatic brain injury to Melissa -- one at least five days earlier.

The toddler's injuries included bruising to both ear lobes, abrasions on her cheek, bruising on her forehead and bleeding at the back of an eye.

Melissa and her sister had come to live with the couple after being voluntarily placed in foster care in late 2005.

http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/caregiver-conv...
Karen

New Plymouth, New Zealand

#8 Aug 31, 2009
I believe you are right Hinamanu. Lawyers are mean't to do as you have said. I was extremely disappopinted that my lawyer did not listen to my concerns in the 3 1/2 years it took to come to trial. The Crown was despertate for a conviction due to my police complaints and it's as though she gave it to them, but she was concentrating on the important stuff, the medical terms that went straight over the juries heads. If the jury had 3 1/2 years to get their heads around it like I did and only went by evidence, the verdict would have been just. It as all the little things that were hardly evidence, the jury took most notice of, the things I asked my lawyer to act upon for 3 years.
Karen

New Plymouth, New Zealand

#9 Aug 31, 2009
Tweeter, my foster daughter, (note the word foster) died by hitting her head when she fell from the portacot and the hospital refusing to prioritise treatment for nine hours. Ten headlines for my previous arrest that was withdrawn were on Stuff headlines. A New Zealand website. There were other NZ websites that had them on too. So it does happen that previous stories are removed.

“False Prophet”

Since: Jan 08

hamilton

#10 Aug 31, 2009
In serious cases such as this

And I want you to understand I have no judgement against you. I am still furious about Nia Glassie.

But in these type of cases you need a mature male who is experienced in jury trials.

what you have said is very revealing. Junior lawyers only know what a university has taught them.

The ins and outs of a court room and jury still eludes them.

Strategies are what win cases and only veterans can plan and execute them.

Judges also speak above juries heads as in th eScott Watson case where the judge over ruled the lawyers and changed evidence to suit him.

And I thought you were being held in custody.
Karen

New Plymouth, New Zealand

#11 Sep 1, 2009
Hinamanu, you sound a very reasonable and just person. I wish I had you on my jury. I guess with the Nia Glassie case in Rotorua just before mine in Rotorua it didn't help my case.

My lawyer is a senior and apparantly very experienced in criminal trials. The jury only knows what is told to them, the Crown ensures a heck of a lot of their dirty linen is never hung out. My lawyers strategy was to prove Melissa could well have got her injuries from falling from the cot and my defense experts did a great job of that, they also disagreed with shaken baby as did the prosecution experts, but Patrick Kelly of Starship (who is obsessed with the topic and in the dark ages with his obsession). Notice the Crown has not said what I supposedly did to Melissa? That is because the jury decided to take up Patrick Kellys option of solely shaken. This will be extremely easy to appeal on. So they are leaving it unexplained. That one expert went against all others and against internationally accepted facts on 'shaken baby' and the jury picked him to believe.

I have given my address as Aucklands womens as my foster daughters biological family have made death threats against my family in the past and 'topix' asked for an address. My correspondance will catch up with me, if I get that far.
Karen

New Plymouth, New Zealand

#12 Sep 1, 2009
I just realised I have not explained the shaking component of my case. I did admit to shaking in order to try and get a response from Melissa when she was comatose. I assumed she was only concussed. All the experts at my trial said how it was done did not do further injury to Melissa, but this is where Patrick Kelly got his idea from to say it was solely shaken baby. The police had my admission to this shaking well before they withdrew the first charge and said no further charges would be laid as there was no suspicious circumstances or evidence of assault.

“False Prophet”

Since: Jan 08

hamilton

#13 Sep 1, 2009
Don't want to rub things in but I was just directed tot his story from January

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/nationa...
Karen

New Plymouth, New Zealand

#14 Sep 1, 2009
Morning Hanamanu. Wow, I wonder if the judge will decide it's punishment enough that I had my name published. LOL! Discrimination is definately out there, but the statistics they want to even out is the number of Europeans in prison compared to non-Europeans. So I'm sure to go to prison. I wonder if they would let a 38 year old finish their degree and cross credit to a second, rather then send me to prison. Hardly likely. They will want to set an example of a 'foster mum' who supposedly killed her foster child, which also conveniently stalls unprofessional people from the police and Open Home Foundation being investigated and held accountable for as long as possible too.

“False Prophet”

Since: Jan 08

hamilton

#15 Sep 1, 2009
I simply just don't hold hope for the future of society.

Children as young as 9-10 are lashing out and in another few years with no corrective discipline they will be murderers, sanctioned by the socialist Green's and Liarbour.

Most National supporters are pro smacking.

Key went behind the parties back to hold Helen's hand on that. Even the party hierarchy.

THe sad truth is you knowing your child will grow up never knowing the truth and being told she was your vitim.

I only say this cause you will be pondering those things yourself

Time heals hopefully.
Karen

New Plymouth, New Zealand

#16 Sep 1, 2009
It would seem some naieve person's been on this blog who likes wool over their heads. Sad there are people like that in society. With people like they are now, there's not much hope for the future.
Karen

New Plymouth, New Zealand

#17 Sep 1, 2009
People nowdays like to judge harshly, yet not have the balls to be out front with it, just hide behind other sheep.
Karen

New Plymouth, New Zealand

#18 Sep 1, 2009
Hey, if that's a jury member further judging me, how about blogging? Like I said I have proof of all I've said on this site related to my case. If it's someone who lied at trial forget it, not interested in what you have to say. If it's Melissa's family, I'm sorry for what you have been led to believe for nearly four years, but you're directing your anger in the wrong direction. You know what I'm saying is true in regard to my first blog, but there is a lot they didn't tell you either. What you do know, must at least make you suspicious of them and with doubt as to my guilt.
Karen

New Plymouth, New Zealand

#19 Sep 1, 2009
If people have something to say on this,then go ahead and blog it, set me straight. It's cowardice to judge while hiding.

“False Prophet”

Since: Jan 08

hamilton

#20 Sep 1, 2009
Karen wrote:
If people have something to say on this,then go ahead and blog it, set me straight. It's cowardice to judge while hiding.
Don't take it personally Karen

There's someone bagging through all the NZ threads.

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