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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50985 Apr 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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post 50951
doesnt it display?
HughBe wrote:
Oh Eric, tell me the percentage of interracial marriages in Israel and compare it to the Brazilian situation.
Frijoles wrote:
Why do you consider interracial marriages an inverse indicator of discrimination? Where is the empirical justification for that notion?
Note - the term empirical. I am not interested in theories.
Frijoles---post 50951, doesnt it display?

HughBe--- No Mr. Flocker meaning not on the link that YOU gave. It is found on the PREVIOUS page.

HughBe---Oh Eric, tell me the percentage of interracial marriages in Israel and compare it to the Brazilian situation.

Frijoles--Why do you consider interracial marriages an inverse indicator of discrimination? Where is the empirical justification for that notion?
Note - the term empirical. I am not interested in theories.

HughBe--- My dear Flocker, I made no such comment. My focus was on the fact that in Brazil there are far more interracial marriages than in Israel. That was my focus.

I am NOW saying that in an environment where there is a high level of INTEGRATION by way of marriages then it stands to reason that DISCRIMINATION cannot be as high as in an environment where SEGREGATION is HIGH as in the case of Israel.

Get it?

Please read with CARE and SLOWLY.

1."In Israel, ALL marriages must be approved by religious celebrants(PRIESTS), while civil marriages are legally recognized if performed abroad. Rules governing marriage are based on strict religious guidelines of each religion. By Israeli law, authority over all issues related to Judaism in Israel, including marriage, falls under the Orthodox Chief Rabbinate of Israel."

Question--Do YOU suppose that people can just marry who they want to in such an environment?

2. "MANYY Israeli Jews OPPOSE mixed relationships between Jewish women and Arab men. A 2007 opinion survey found that MORE than HALF of Israeli Jews believed intermarriage is equivalent to "NATIONAL TREASON"."

Question---Do MANY Jews OPPOSE interracial marriages? Is it more than 50%?

How widespread would be interracial marriages in such a situation?

Explain NATIONAL TREASON.

3.In February 2010 Maariv has reported that the Tel Aviv municipality has instituted an official, GOVERNMENT-SPONSORED "counselling program" to DISCOURAGE Jewish girls from dating and marrying Arab boys. The Times has also reported on a vigilante parents’ group policing the Jerusalem neighborhood of Pisgat Ze'ev to intimidate and discourage local Arab-Jewish couples. The Jewish anti-missionary group Yad L'achim has also performed paramilitary "rescue operations" of Jewish women FROM non-Jewish husbands and celebrates the "rescued women" on their website.

Question--- What is the meaning of GOVERNMENT-SPONSORED?

Explain---"rescue operations" of Jewish women FROM non-Jewish husbands

Now to Brazil--

1.Multiracial Brazilians make up 42.6% of Brazil's population, 79.782 million people...

2. Multiracial Brazilians are mainly people of MIXED European, African, East Asian (mostly Japanese) and Amerindian ancestry.

3. Interracial marriages comprised 22.6% of all marriages in 2000. 15.7% of blacks, 24.4% of whites and 27.6% of Pardos (mixed-race/brown) married someone whose race was different from their own.[308]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscegenation#Br...

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#50986 Apr 24, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Frijoles---post 50951, doesnt it display?
HughBe--- No Mr. Flocker meaning not on the link that YOU gave. It is found on the PREVIOUS page.
No need to be indignant. That is a topix flaw, not a personal error. I used their button. Besides, if you looked at the URL it cited the post by number.

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#50987 Apr 24, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Frijoles--Why do you consider interracial marriages an inverse indicator of discrimination? Where is the empirical justification for that notion?
Note - the term empirical. I am not interested in theories.
HughBe--- My dear Flocker, I made no such comment. My focus was on the fact that in Brazil there are far more interracial marriages than in Israel. That was my focus.

I am NOW saying that in an environment where there is a high level of INTEGRATION by way of marriages then it stands to reason that DISCRIMINATION cannot be as high as in an environment where SEGREGATION is HIGH as in the case of Israel.
Get it?
"It stands to reason..."

I do get it. You just provided me with a THEORY even though I requested you not to.

I can make up theories too. That is isnt helpful.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#50988 Apr 24, 2013
I can easily make a counter claim that Intermarriage IS A RESULT of discrimination - i,e, those individuals feel compelled as a survival strategy

OR that there is NO correlation between discrimination and intermarriage

Thats why I asked for studies that actually made that linkage, if you were going to use it.

Anyone can blow hot air here.

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#50989 Apr 24, 2013
and by the way, there is nothing inherently wrong with marriage to preserve ethnicity. It is only wrong if it translates into discrimination - which as a variable you have yet to define.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50990 Apr 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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No need to be indignant. That is a topix flaw, not a personal error. I used their button. Besides, if you looked at the URL it cited the post by number.
Calm down, dear. The indignation is YOURS not mine.
Eric

South Elgin, IL

#50991 Apr 24, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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1.Multiracial Brazilians make up 42.6% of Brazil's population, 79.782 million people...
2. Multiracial Brazilians are mainly people of MIXED European, African, East Asian (mostly Japanese) and Amerindian ancestry.
According to Dr. Elhaik's research, almost all Jews are of mixed racial background. I think that has the Brazilian's beat by a long shot.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50992 Apr 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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"It stands to reason..."
I do get it. You just provided me with a THEORY even though I requested you not to.
I can make up theories too. That is isnt helpful.
Son, I just NOW meaning today spoke about stands to reason. Originally I did NOT address the matter of DISCRIMINATION.

I want YOU to explain the following, "Multiracial Brazilians make up 42.6% of Brazil's population,"

Question, does "it stands to reason" that DISCRIMINATION cannot be as great as where there is a HIGH level of SEGREGATION as in ISRAEL?

If NOT explain how almost 50% of the Brazilian population is of MIXED RACE.

How did the MIXED race come about.

Try and ADDRESS my questions.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50993 Apr 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
I can easily make a counter claim that Intermarriage IS A RESULT of discrimination - i,e, those individuals feel compelled as a survival strategy
OR that there is NO correlation between discrimination and intermarriage
Thats why I asked for studies that actually made that linkage, if you were going to use it.
Anyone can blow hot air here.
I am making no argument beyond what is REASONABLE and what is CONSISTENT with REALITY.

I leave the ABSURDITY to YOU.

In your argument did the one RACE FORCE another RACE to get married?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50994 Apr 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
and by the way, there is nothing inherently wrong with marriage to preserve ethnicity. It is only wrong if it translates into discrimination - which as a variable you have yet to define.
Define ethnicity.

You are introducing new variables.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50995 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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According to Dr. Elhaik's research, almost all Jews are of mixed racial background. I think that has the Brazilian's beat by a long shot.
Thanks Eric. Now give me the RACIAL groups that Jews married plus the relevant percentages.

For example, 10% of Jews married BLACKS, 5 % married Indians etc.

Supply the link as well.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50996 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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According to Dr. Elhaik's research, almost all Jews are of mixed racial background. I think that has the Brazilian's beat by a long shot.
Eric---According to Dr. Elhaik's research, almost all Jews are of mixed racial background

HughBe---I am going to take my points and deal with them one-by-one with you.

Reconcile your claim that "almost ALL Jews are of mixed" RACE with the REALITY below.

How did this ALMOST ALL are of MIXED race come about? Was it via a policy or doctrine of SEGREGATION and DISCRIMINATION?

Explain the citation below.

"MANY Israeli Jews OPPOSE mixed relationships between Jewish women and Arab men. A 2007 opinion survey found that MORE than HALF of Israeli Jews believed intermarriage is equivalent to "NATIONAL TREASON"."

Question---Do MANY Jews OPPOSE interracial marriages? Is it more than 50%?

How widespread would be interracial marriages in such a situation?

Explain NATIONAL TREASON.
Eric

South Elgin, IL

#50997 Apr 24, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Thanks Eric. Now give me the RACIAL groups that Jews married plus the relevant percentages.
For example, 10% of Jews married BLACKS, 5 % married Indians etc.
Supply the link as well.
What difference does it make so long as it's another racial group? That was your original position.
Eric

South Elgin, IL

#50998 Apr 24, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>

How did this ALMOST ALL are of MIXED race come about? Was it via a policy or doctrine of SEGREGATION and DISCRIMINATION?
Explain the citation below.
"MANY Israeli Jews OPPOSE mixed relationships between Jewish women and Arab men. A 2007 opinion survey found that MORE than HALF of Israeli Jews believed intermarriage is equivalent to "NATIONAL TREASON"."
Question---Do MANY Jews OPPOSE interracial marriages? Is it more than 50%?
How widespread would be interracial marriages in such a situation?
Explain NATIONAL TREASON.
You see, Hugh, you are comparing apples and oranges. For Brazilians you are using racial make up. For Israelis you are using opinion.

If you compare the actual make up of Brazilians with the actual make up of Israelis, according to Dr. Elhaik the Israelis would have more racial mixing than the Brazilians.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50999 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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You see, Hugh, you are comparing apples and oranges. For Brazilians you are using racial make up. For Israelis you are using opinion.
If you compare the actual make up of Brazilians with the actual make up of Israelis, according to Dr. Elhaik the Israelis would have more racial mixing than the Brazilians.
All Jews have mixed racial heritage as a result of the diaspora. Also, Rebekah, Leah and Rachel were Syrian and Josephs wife was Egyptian.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51000 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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What difference does it make so long as it's another racial group? That was your original position.
Give me the RACIAL groups.

Give me the percentages.

After which I shall explain, the difference it makes.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51001 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
You see, Hugh, you are comparing apples and oranges. For Brazilians you are using racial make up. For Israelis you are using opinion.
If you compare the actual make up of Brazilians with the actual make up of Israelis, according to Dr. Elhaik the Israelis would have more racial mixing than the Brazilians.
Please try and ADDRESS the points raised.

1.How did this ALMOST ALL are of MIXED race come about?

2.Was it via a policy or doctrine of SEGREGATION and DISCRIMINATION?

3.Explain the citation below.

"MANY Israeli Jews OPPOSE mixed relationships between Jewish women and Arab men. A 2007 opinion survey found that MORE than HALF of Israeli Jews believed intermarriage is equivalent to "NATIONAL TREASON"."

4.Question---Do MANY Jews OPPOSE interracial marriages? Is it more than 50%?

5.How widespread would there be interracial marriages in such a situation/belief system?

6.Explain NATIONAL TREASON.

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Eric---For Israelis you are using opinion

HughBe--- Are you really saying that the opinions of the Israelis don't matter?

Will their opinion affect or influence their behaviour?

So, if you hold the opinion that something is TREASON to the United States of America will YOU engage in it?

When will you get serious?

rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51002 Apr 24, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
post 50951
doesnt it display?
HughBe wrote:
Oh Eric, tell me the percentage of interracial marriages in Israel and compare it to the Brazilian situation.
Frijoles wrote:
Why do you consider interracial marriages an inverse indicator of discrimination? Where is the empirical justification for that notion?
Note - the term empirical. I am not interested in theories.
rabbee: well it does seem as if G-D, is being highly discriminatory. about who THEY are punishing, for not being true to THEM here in TheTorah. but i can assure you, it is not due to any racial discrimination. even if the world has the tendancy, to falsly claim it as such. maybe you should pray, that it does not get bad enough, for you to get sent into slavery too.
Voluntarist

United States

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#51005 Apr 24, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Son, I just NOW meaning today spoke about stands to reason. Originally I did NOT address the matter of DISCRIMINATION.
I want YOU to explain the following, "Multiracial Brazilians make up 42.6% of Brazil's population,"
Question, does "it stands to reason" that DISCRIMINATION cannot be as great as where there is a HIGH level of SEGREGATION as in ISRAEL?
If NOT explain how almost 50% of the Brazilian population is of MIXED RACE.
How did the MIXED race come about.
Try and ADDRESS my questions.
Until you define your terms, your logic can not even be evaluated on the basis of such folkisms as "reasonable"

What exactly do you mean as discrimination? How do you measure it>?

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