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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#50422 Apr 1, 2013
http://www.scribd.com/doc/75606978

The madness that was Iraq War, listen from the Horse' Mouth Now Part-1

Update: The Iraq War Ledger

A Look at the War’s Human, Financial, and Strategic Costs

Matthew Duss and Peter Juul December 2011

01. The United States is withdrawing the last of its troops from Iraq this month, which makes now an appropriate time to begin weighing the costs and benefits to U.S. national security from our intervention there.

02. On May 1, 2003, President George W. Bush stood aboard the deck of the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln and declared to the country and to the world that “Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.”

03. As Americans would quickly find out, President Bush’s declaration of victory was severely premature. Iraq would soon be in the throes of a violent insurgency and, eventually, a full- blown sectarian civil war.

04. More than eight years after that speech, as President Barack Obama prepares to keep his promise to end the war, Iraq has made progress but still struggles with insecurity and deep political discord.

05. Though the level of violence has remained down from its 2006– 2007
peak—when dozens of bodies could be found on Baghdad’s streets every morning—Iraq still endures a level of violence that in any other country would be considered a crisis.

06. Still, the end of former Iraq President Saddam Hussein’s brutal regime represents a considerable global good, and a nascent democratic Iraqi republic partnered with the United States could potentially yield benefits in the future.

07. But when weighing those possible benefits against the costs of the Iraq intervention, there is simply no conceivable calculus by which Operation Iraqi Freedom can be judged to have been a successful or worthwhile policy.

08. The war was intended to show the extent of America's Power, it succeeded only in showing its limits

09. The tables and charts below tell the tale. We have grouped these costs into three categories:

The human costs, dealing with American and Iraqi casualties

The financial costs, dealing with the expense of the war and of the continued care for The strategic costs, dealing with the impact of the Iraq intervention on U.S. power and influence in the Middle East and on the global stage

(Contd.)

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#50423 Apr 2, 2013
voluntarist wrote:
CO2 myth busted: Why we need
more carbon dioxide to grow food
and forests
LOLOLOL

that is not anything new

Read an intro textbook on Environmental Science

Chapter - carbon cycle

Sure, CO2 stimulates some crops (and poison ivy). But at the expense of climate change. That CO2 has to go somewhere after incorporation.It doesnt stay in the plant forever - rather it is released back into the atmosphere during decomposition.(Unless the plant in question is peat moss in a cold climate.)

And by they way, whether a plant is stimulated is not as simple as you think - it depends upon its metabolism. Plants are either C3 or C4 - the label refers to a dominant carrier molecule during phtosythesis. C4 plants are more susceptible to CO2, while C3 plants are less sensitive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C3_carbon_fixati...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C4_carbon_fixati...
http://www.cgrer.uiowa.edu/people/carmichael/...

If you are interested in this topic - I recommend learning some basic science first.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#50424 Apr 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
LOLOLOL
that is not anything new
Read an intro textbook on Environmental Science
Chapter - carbon cycle
Sure, CO2 stimulates some crops (and poison ivy). But at the expense of climate change. That CO2 has to go somewhere after incorporation.It doesnt stay in the plant forever - rather it is released back into the atmosphere during decomposition.(Unless the plant in question is peat moss in a cold climate.)
And by they way, whether a plant is stimulated is not as simple as you think - it depends upon its metabolism. Plants are either C3 or C4 - the label refers to a dominant carrier molecule during phtosythesis. C4 plants are more susceptible to CO2, while C3 plants are less sensitive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C3_carbon_fixati...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C4_carbon_fixati...
http://www.cgrer.uiowa.edu/people/carmichael/...
If you are interested in this topic - I recommend learning some basic science first.
rabbee: you forgot the effects of CO, for healthy root systems. and i would be more alarmed at an substantial increase, in CO than CO2 for the moment...

but i have a different take, on global warming. G-D'S Anger is being kindled at the whole world, at odds against HIM. and pissing of G-D, seem to have gotten some dramatic results here in TheTorah. and most certainly won't get any of us, admitted into GanEden.

ONE G-D for all, and all for TheOne G-D, here in TheTorah Happening again. is TheOnly Way, to GanEden.

and obviously this world, did not make it there. with every one at fault, blaming each other for being the fault.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#50425 Apr 2, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: you forgot the effects of CO, for healthy root systems. and i would be more alarmed at an substantial increase, in CO than CO2 for the moment...
CO2 is only one half of the greenhouse emissions to be concerned about that cause global warming.

Methane (CH4) and the oxides of Nitrogen (NO, NO2, N20) are the other half as well.

The basic problem is the liberation of carbon from the long term pool. I.E. the burning of fossil fuels.

Storing carbon is a short term pool - plantlife - doesnt solve the problem obviously because of the relatively rapid turnover

Ironically, we have discussed the carbon cycle on this very forum before - including the C3, C4 stuff and the ability of plant to grow more - so Volunteerist CANT claim this is a NEW idea.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#50426 Apr 2, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>

but i have a different take, on global warming. G-D'S Anger is being kindled at the whole world, at odds against HIM. and pissing of G-D, seem to have gotten some dramatic results here in TheTorah. and most certainly won't get any of us, admitted into GanEden.
standard fundamentalist argument

Hughbe blames it all on satan

equal amount of data for either of those explanations
Voluntarist

United States

#50427 Apr 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
CO2 is only one half of the greenhouse emissions to be concerned about that cause global warming.
Methane (CH4) and the oxides of Nitrogen (NO, NO2, N20) are the other half as well.
The basic problem is the liberation of carbon from the long term pool. I.E. the burning of fossil fuels.
Storing carbon is a short term pool - plantlife - doesnt solve the problem obviously because of the relatively rapid turnover
Ironically, we have discussed the carbon cycle on this very forum before - including the C3, C4 stuff and the ability of plant to grow more - so Volunteerist CANT claim this is a NEW idea.
yada yada yada the earth was warmer in the past than it is now, this is just another means of control by the liberal freaks.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#50428 Apr 2, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
yada yada yada the earth was warmer in the past than it is now, this is just another means of control by the liberal freaks.
In other words you didnt read my post
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#50429 Apr 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
standard fundamentalist argument
Hughbe blames it all on satan
equal amount of data for either of those explanations
rabbee: well call me what you want about it, frijoles crazy insane or fundamentalist. but i have spoken, to G-D about it. so i have HaShem G-D'S Input about it all.

and how can you blame anything on hasatan, when G-D gave hasatan all his instructions? who is in charge of his enemies, as well as baal hamolech, and halooseefer. who all also receive their instructions from HaShem.

but if you look long enough, if you measure a sufficient number of attributes, and if you are highly selective, you can eventually find statistical evidence to prove or disprove any claim.

so do not ask of me, to represent any of you liars against G-D. here in TheTorah Accounting, all happening again.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#50430 Apr 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
In other words you didnt read my post
rabbee: well pissing off G-D, certainly is of no help to this world. and it ain't going to get, any of us into GanEden either. as G-D has a greater influence on this world here in TheTorah than you could ever imagine.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#50433 Apr 2, 2013
http://www.scribd.com/doc/75606978

The madness that was Iraq War, listen from the Horse' Mouth Now Part-2

Update: The Iraq War Ledger

A Look at the War’s Human, Financial, and Strategic Costs

Matthew Duss and Peter Juul December 2011

10. Before turning to those tables and charts, however, we would like to make two additional points

.
11. First, it is critical to remember the shifting justifications for the U.S. intervention in Iraq.

12. The Iraq invasion was sold to the American public on the basis of Saddam Hussein’s supposed possession of weapons of mass destruction and his alleged relationship with Al Qaeda.

13. When both claims turned out to be false, the Bush administration justified the intervention on the idea that a democratic Iraq would be an ally in the “war on terror” and an inspiration for democratic reform in the Middle East. These arguments remain, at best, highly questionable.

14. Second, the authors would like to make clear that this analysis of the costs of the Iraq war in no way diminishes the sacrifice, courage, and honor displayed by the U.S. military in Iraq.

15. Americans troops have served and died in Iraq at the behest of the American people and two of their commanders-in-chief. This is why it is important to draw the correct lessons from our nation’s invasion of Iraq. In order to do that, its costs must be examined honestly and rigorously.

(Contd.)
Voluntarist

United States

#50434 Apr 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
In other words you didnt read my post
CO2 & Temperature (also see Temperature Record)
The ice-core data is frequently cited as principal evidence to
argue that CO2 is the earth’s main climate driver. It is, in a
way, the jewel in the crown of the theory of man made global
warming. But the ice-core data does not show that CO2 drives
climate. It shows, very clearly, that variations in temperature
precede rises in atmospheric CO2 – not the other way round.
The two phenomena are divided by a time lag of several
hundred years.
There is no evidence that CO2 has ever ‘driven’ the climate in
the past, nor is there any compelling evidence that it is doing
so now.
According to global warming theory, if an enhanced
greenhouse effect (from increased levels of CO2 or indeed any
other greenhouse gas) is responsible for warming the earth,
then the rate of temperature rise should be greatest in that part
of the earth’s atmosphere known as the troposphere,
specifically in the tropics. And yet the observations, from
weather balloons and satellites have consistently shown that
not to be the case. I urge readers to look at the Christy et al
papers below. The latest one was recently published in the
Journal of Geophysical Research (2007). This may seem like a
rather technical issue, but it strikes at the very heart of the
theory of man made global warming.
The Myth of Dangerous Human-Caused Climate Change
Read More
Tropospheric temperature change since 1979 from tropical
radiosonde and satellite measurements”– John R. Chirsty,
William B.Norris, Roy W. Spencer, Justin J. Hnilo Journal of
Geophysical Research, VOL. 112, D06102
Read More
http://www.greatglobalwarmingswindle.co.uk/co...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#50435 Apr 3, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
CO2 & Temperature (also see Temperature Record)
The ice-core data is frequently cited as principal evidence to
argue that CO2 is the earth’s main climate driver. It is, in a
way, the jewel in the crown of the theory of man made global
warming. But the ice-core data does not show that CO2 drives
climate. It shows, very clearly, that variations in temperature
precede rises in atmospheric CO2 – not the other way round.
The two phenomena are divided by a time lag of several
hundred years.
There is no evidence that CO2 has ever ‘driven’ the climate in
the past, nor is there any compelling evidence that it is doing
so now.
According to global warming theory, if an enhanced
greenhouse effect (from increased levels of CO2 or indeed any
other greenhouse gas) is responsible for warming the earth,
then the rate of temperature rise should be greatest in that part
of the earth’s atmosphere known as the troposphere,
specifically in the tropics. And yet the observations, from
weather balloons and satellites have consistently shown that
not to be the case. I urge readers to look at the Christy et al
papers below. The latest one was recently published in the
Journal of Geophysical Research (2007). This may seem like a
rather technical issue, but it strikes at the very heart of the
theory of man made global warming.
The Myth of Dangerous Human-Caused Climate Change
Read More
Tropospheric temperature change since 1979 from tropical
radiosonde and satellite measurements”– John R. Chirsty,
William B.Norris, Roy W. Spencer, Justin J. Hnilo Journal of
Geophysical Research, VOL. 112, D06102
Read More
http://www.greatglobalwarmingswindle.co.uk/co...
In other words you didnt read my post

I will be happy to respond if you read my post and address it accordingly

I have no time for scattered posts

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#50436 Apr 3, 2013
MUQ wrote:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7560 6978
The madness that was Iraq War, listen from the Horse' Mouth Now Part-2
Update: The Iraq War Ledger
A Look at the War’s Human, Financial, and Strategic Costs
Matthew Duss and Peter Juul December 2011
10. Before turning to those tables and charts, however, we would like to make two additional points
.
11. First, it is critical to remember the shifting justifications for the U.S. intervention in Iraq.
12. The Iraq invasion was sold to the American public on the basis of Saddam Hussein’s supposed possession of weapons of mass destruction and his alleged relationship with Al Qaeda.
13. When both claims turned out to be false, the Bush administration justified the intervention on the idea that a democratic Iraq would be an ally in the “war on terror” and an inspiration for democratic reform in the Middle East. These arguments remain, at best, highly questionable.
14. Second, the authors would like to make clear that this analysis of the costs of the Iraq war in no way diminishes the sacrifice, courage, and honor displayed by the U.S. military in Iraq.
15. Americans troops have served and died in Iraq at the behest of the American people and two of their commanders-in-chief. This is why it is important to draw the correct lessons from our nation’s invasion of Iraq. In order to do that, its costs must be examined honestly and rigorously.
(Contd.)
What is your objective with this series?

The majority of Americans already know that the Iraqi war was a fiasco. And the minority that do not believe this will never be convinced.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50437 Apr 3, 2013
MIND-MATTER - YOGA VASHISHTA:

The author of The Yoga Vashishta asserts that the world is relative to the mind and must therefore be mental in basal character if the possibility of its being known is to be achieved:

"The subject cannot be aware of the object unless they are related. And there cannot exist any relation between two heterogeneous things. Relation implies identity, for it cannot be possible between two utterly different objects. The cognition of the object by the subject therefore establishes their substantial identity. If they were utterly different from each other, knowledge would not have been possible; the subject would ever remain unaware of the object as a stone of the taste of sugar. The whole world is merely ideal. It does not exist except in thought. It arises and exists in the mind. The whole universe is the self-expansion of the Mind Force. It is a huge dream arisen within the mind. It is Mind alone that has assumed the forms of time, space and movement."

- YOGA VASHISHTA

WOW!
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#50438 Apr 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
What is your objective with this series?
The majority of Americans already know that the Iraqi war was a fiasco. And the minority that do not believe this will never be convinced.
rabbee: well don't care much, for this world's lying excuses. is this all you can do, when G-D says your going to war? is make up lying excuses, for why it is being done as commanded.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#50439 Apr 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
standard fundamentalist argument
Hughbe blames it all on satan
equal amount of data for either of those explanations
rabbee: how can i blame anything, on hasatan? when even hasatan, is doing as commanded by G-D. if anyone is under the influence, of hasatan, baal hamolech, or halooseefer. they only have themselves to blame, for not being actually true to HaShem G-D.

i do not even have the right to kill, the more subtle than any other beast of the fields. since he too, is made and fashioned by G-D. and even if i did, he would just pop back up like a daisy.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#50440 Apr 3, 2013
JOEL wrote:
MIND-MATTER - YOGA VASHISHTA:
The author of The Yoga Vashishta asserts that the world is relative to the mind and must therefore be mental in basal character if the possibility of its being known is to be achieved:
"The subject cannot be aware of the object unless they are related. And there cannot exist any relation between two heterogeneous things. Relation implies identity, for it cannot be possible between two utterly different objects. The cognition of the object by the subject therefore establishes their substantial identity. If they were utterly different from each other, knowledge would not have been possible; the subject would ever remain unaware of the object as a stone of the taste of sugar. The whole world is merely ideal. It does not exist except in thought. It arises and exists in the mind. The whole universe is the self-expansion of the Mind Force. It is a huge dream arisen within the mind. It is Mind alone that has assumed the forms of time, space and movement."
- YOGA VASHISHTA
WOW!
Why do you feel the necessity of triple spamming (at least) three forums simultaneously?

Cant you just pick a single forum?
Voluntarist

United States

#50441 Apr 3, 2013
where is former res he/she claimed that a city can't go bankrupt;

Broke: Stockton Goes
Bankrupt:“Precedent-
Setting Implications”
Mac Slavo
SHTFPlan.com
April 2, 2013
One of the most dangerous cities in
America has just declared bankruptcy,
leaving creditors out hundreds of
millions of dollars.
U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Christopher
Klein said the bankruptcy declaration
was needed to allow the city to
continue to provide basic services.
“It’s apparent to me the city would not
be able to perform its obligations to its
citizens on fundamental public safety
as well as other basic government
services without the ability to have the
muscle of the contract-impairing
power of federal bankruptcy law,”
Klein said.
The city of nearly 300,000 people has
become emblematic of government
excess and the financial calamity that
resulted when the nation’s housing
bubble burst.
Its salaries, benefits and borrowing
were based on anticipated long-term
developer fees and increasing
property tax revenue. But those were
lost in a flurry of foreclosures
beginning in the mid-2000s and a 70
percent decline in the city’s tax base.

Attorneys for the city said the city’s
budget and services had been cut to
the bone.
“There’s nothing to celebrate about
bankruptcy,” said Bob Deis, Stockton’s
city manager.“But it is a vindication of
what we’ve been saying for nine
months.”
The Chapter 9 bankruptcy case
is being closely watched nationally
for potential precedent-setting
implications.
The $900 million that Stockton owes
to the California Public Employees’
Retirement System to cover pension
promises is its biggest debt. So far
Stockton has kept up with pension
payments while it has reneged on
other debts, maintaining that it needs
a strong pension plan to retain its
pared-down workforce.

By 2009 Stockton had accumulated
nearly $1 billion in debt on civic
improvements, money owed to pay
pension contributions, and the most
generous health care benefit in the
state—coverage for life for all retirees
plus a dependent, no matter how long
they had worked for the city.
CNBC
Creditors, who invested tens of
millions of dollars into city bonds to
help cover pension payment shortages
have been left holding the bag. And
now, with the city officially bankrupt,
even those pensions are under threat.
Stockton is the first of many large
cities that will soon declare
bankruptcy, with more troubled local
city councils likely to seek bankruptcy
protection in the near future.

http://www.infowars.com/broke-stockton-goes-b...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#50442 Apr 3, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
where is former res he/she claimed that a city can't go bankrupt;
when did he ever say that?

He is definitely a he.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#50443 Apr 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

Why do you feel the necessity of triple spamming (at least) three forums simultaneously?

Cant you just pick a single forum?
Great cosmic insights as the one from the Yoga Vashishta should be spread all over the net so people can see its incomparable profundity and compare it with the shit found in the Tanakh.

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