Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#38121 Jul 2, 2012
To His Shriveled Holiness...
Frijoles wrote:
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Oh great Baba Rum Raisen, tell me, what are the most auspicious times to bathe? When I shower in the morning, I go to bed filthy , but when I shower in the evening, I wake up filthy. What can I do?

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#38122 Jul 2, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
To His Shriveled Holiness...
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For the sake and well being of your family and close friends, I hope he answers soon.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#38123 Jul 2, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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For the sake and well being of your family and close friends, I hope he answers soon.
I am lighting sticks of incense flavored with fermented pork rinds in the hopes that the pleasing aroma will attract him quickly. May it come to be.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#38124 Jul 2, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Bush wore his religion on his sleeve. Whether this was an act of pandering or something more sincere, I do not know. My hunch is that it was sincere.
Mitt, on the other hand, seems to be downplaying his religion. Probably because it is less accepted as other forms of Christianity. I think he'll have a difficult time walking that fine line.
As for Obama, I don't see him as a religious person, just one playing the part for pragmatic purposes. Of course, it doesn't help that there is still a large portion of the population that thinks he's Muslim.
Obama, from all I can tell from those who knew him previously (I have friends and relatives in the Chicago region) is deeply religious - but in an ethical values sort of way. Similar to Jimmy Carter, maybe a little less blatant.

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#38125 Jul 2, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
...but in an ethical values sort of way.
Are you conflating ethics/values with religion, or is he really a religious Christian (belief in God, belief in sin and heaven as reward and hell as punishment, etc...)?
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#38126 Jul 2, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Are you conflating ethics/values with religion, or is he really a religious Christian (belief in God, belief in sin and heaven as reward and hell as punishment, etc...)?
Christianity (like Judaism) is not all about myth and details. It also includes ethical responsibilities. So yes, if one self-referentially grounds one's values and ethics in one's religion, one would be religious.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#38127 Jul 2, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Are you conflating ethics/values with religion, or is he really a religious Christian (belief in God, belief in sin and heaven as reward and hell as punishment, etc...)?
here:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/02/02/137712/...

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#38129 Jul 2, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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I am lighting sticks of incense flavored with fermented pork rinds in the hopes that the pleasing aroma will attract him quickly. May it come to be.
My child, your cosmic vibes of distress and offering of the glorious pork rinds have summoned me from the supramental transcendent hot-tub I just had installed in my super swanky Penthouse in Cuffe Parade Mumbai... SO THIS BETTER BE IMPORTANT!!!

Anyway...

For it is truly written that "Cleanliness is next to Godliness" but a Nathhan's hot dog without onions and relish is just WRONG!

So go my child and contemplate thy navel in the great bubble bath of life and always remember the immortal words of the great Yogi Mark Twain, "No bath will cure people's manners, but drowning would help."

-Baba Rum Raisen
“The Rama Lama Ding Dong of Cuffe Parade - Mumbai.”

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#38130 Jul 2, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Christianity (like Judaism) is not all about myth and details. It also includes ethical responsibilities. So yes, if one self-referentially grounds one's values and ethics in one's religion, one would be religious.
But the question is, does Obama ground his values and ethics in his religion, or does he keep it distinct. I was always under the impression that he keeps it distinct and that religion, for him, was more for show and tell.

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#38131 Jul 2, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
Religious pandering, IMHO.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#38132 Jul 2, 2012
Thank You, Thank You, Thank You,

O Shriveled One.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#38133 Jul 2, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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But the question is, does Obama ground his values and ethics in his religion, or does he keep it distinct. I was always under the impression that he keeps it distinct and that religion, for him, was more for show and tell.
I think that article pretty much spells it out. I have no reason to doubt it. The guy belonged to a church well before his political career took off. The church promoted social activism. He was originally a community activist.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#38134 Jul 2, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Religious pandering, IMHO.
not really, He was a member of Wrights church.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#38135 Jul 2, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Religious pandering, IMHO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright_...

Background

Barack Obama first met Wright in the late 1980s, while he was working as a community organizer in Chicago before attending Harvard Law School.[7] Wright officiated at the wedding ceremony of Barack and Michelle Obama, as well as their children's baptisms.[8]

The title of Obama's 2006 memoir, The Audacity of Hope, was inspired by one of Wright's sermons, which was also a theme of Obama's 2004 keynote address to the Democratic National Convention.[7][

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#38136 Jul 2, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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I think that article pretty much spells it out. I have no reason to doubt it. The guy belonged to a church well before his political career took off. The church promoted social activism. He was originally a community activist.
I could be wrong, but I see it more as a matter of political convenience. As a democrat, what better way to build a name for yourself if interested in politics than to be a community activist and get local church support.

Obama has been known to not attend church often (even before he became famous), and he certainly doesn't talk a lot about it now except in front of prayer groups.

Not to unnecessarily harsh on him. I see this of almost all politicians.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#38137 Jul 2, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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I could be wrong, but I see it more as a matter of political convenience. As a democrat, what better way to build a name for yourself if interested in politics than to be a community activist and get local church support.
Obama has been known to not attend church often (even before he became famous), and he certainly doesn't talk a lot about it now except in front of prayer groups.
Not to unnecessarily harsh on him. I see this of almost all politicians.
What is the basis for your opinion other than speculation? I base my opinion on people who knew him as a neighbor before he got famous. Hearsay, I admit, but better than pure speculation.

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#38138 Jul 2, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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What is the basis for your opinion other than speculation? I base my opinion on people who knew him as a neighbor before he got famous. Hearsay, I admit, but better than pure speculation.
Mostly from news articles I've readin the past. I'll see if I can dig some up.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#38139 Jul 2, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Mostly from news articles I've readin the past. I'll see if I can dig some up.
I would think you would have to provide equally compelling hearsay that is traceble via the honor system to be able to adress and refute my hearsay. I doubt you could reach that evidentiary standard with a news article.

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#38140 Jul 2, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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I would think you would have to provide equally compelling hearsay that is traceble via the honor system to be able to adress and refute my hearsay. I doubt you could reach that evidentiary standard with a news article.
You're probably right.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#38141 Jul 2, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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not really, He was a member of Wrights church.
rabbee: are you sure he is not, a member of the wong church?

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