Are Islamic US Soldiers conflicted?

[Patriot]

It seems to me that Islamic US soldiers all face a moral dilemna when assigned to the middle east conflicts. Do they have difficulty fighting against other Muslims, even if they are radical or what we would call terrorists? Do they consider themselves the "infidels" that terrorists call Americans?

Are they revered in their mosques in the U.S. as American patriots, our outcasts for potentially fighting against other Muslims?

What do you think?

[Hank]

Patriot wrote:

It seems to me that Islamic US soldiers all face a moral dilemna when assigned to the middle east conflicts. Do they have difficulty fighting against other Muslims, even if they are radical or what we would call terrorists? Do they consider themselves the "infidels" that terrorists call Americans?
Are they revered in their mosques in the U.S. as American patriots, our outcasts for potentially fighting against other Muslims?
What do you think?

You do not have to be Einstein to figure that out. In general Muslims treat non Muslims with distrust at minimum and in many cases with outright hostility. We should be more like the Russians when we deal with these scumbags. I doubt there are any Muslim officers in the Russian Army, they had a few terrorist attacks in Russia but Putin put his foot down on the SOBs and now no terrorist attacks. But no, we got Obama going to the Middle East telling the Muslims that we are their friends and love them.

[John-K]

Patriot wrote:

It seems to me that Islamic US soldiers all face a moral dilemna when assigned to the middle east conflicts. Do they have difficulty fighting against other Muslims, even if they are radical or what we would call terrorists? Do they consider themselves the "infidels" that terrorists call Americans?
Are they revered in their mosques in the U.S. as American patriots, our outcasts for potentially fighting against other Muslims?
What do you think?

The biggest problem is the sweeping generalization we in the West--particularly here in America-- have in our attitude towards Islam and its adherents.
We focus on the ugliest side of Islam mainly because the fanatics, and a news media ever-desperate for that "next big story" make sure that that's the greatest exposure we have to it.
Given the state of political affairs in the Middle East today(it's been in a state of perpetual turmoil since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and the discovery of huge deposits of oil,) we tend to really focus on the perceived threat from Islam. Now, many have made that perceived threat into a reality; terrorists who've started making spectacular attacks in foreign countries: 9/11, the Madrid and London bombings, etc. However, we've also managed to have a rather ham-fisted approach to the problems that we face in the Muslim world; interfering with their affairs(the CIA coup and subsequent installation of the Shah in Iran, our approach to the war in Afghanistan, and the completely idiotic, wholly needless war in Iraq, and our perceived unwavering support of Israel.) All of these are strikes against us.
I do see the point you're trying to make about US soldiers who happen to be Muslims facing a dilemma when it comes to fighting for the US in the Middle East, but I would suppose that would depend mainly on the individual. Does the soldier consider himself a soldier first and a Muslim second or vise-versa?
I am quite sure that they feel a sense of unease when confronting those in the Middle East who very likely view them as "infidels," or "traitors-to-Islam." But like I said, I think that varies from individual to individual.
We also have to remember that Islamic societies are "conservative,"--whi ch, ironically, many of those on the Right claim that America truly is--and do not tend to like the intrusion of outsiders into their lives.
They don't even like the intrusion of other Muslims who don't adhere to their interpretation of Islam, which isn't all that strange when you consider just how many denominations of Christianity there are; many evangelicals don't consider Mormons to be Christians, and Catholics were widely discriminated against by Protestants here in the US.

[Marcmorr6]

John-K wrote:

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The biggest problem is the sweeping generalization we in the West--particularly here in America-- have in our attitude towards Islam and its adherents.
We focus on the ugliest side of Islam mainly because the fanatics, and a news media ever-desperate for that "next big story" make sure that that's the greatest exposure we have to it.
Given the state of political affairs in the Middle East today(it's been in a state of perpetual turmoil since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and the discovery of huge deposits of oil,) we tend to really focus on the perceived threat from Islam. Now, many have made that perceived threat into a reality; terrorists who've started making spectacular attacks in foreign countries: 9/11, the Madrid and London bombings, etc. However, we've also managed to have a rather ham-fisted approach to the problems that we face in the Muslim world; interfering with their affairs(the CIA coup and subsequent installation of the Shah in Iran, our approach to the war in Afghanistan, and the completely idiotic, wholly needless war in Iraq, and our perceived unwavering support of Israel.) All of these are strikes against us.
I do see the point you're trying to make about US soldiers who happen to be Muslims facing a dilemma when it comes to fighting for the US in the Middle East, but I would suppose that would depend mainly on the individual. Does the soldier consider himself a soldier first and a Muslim second or vise-versa?
I am quite sure that they feel a sense of unease when confronting those in the Middle East who very likely view them as "infidels," or "traitors-to-Islam." But like I said, I think that varies from individual to individual.
We also have to remember that Islamic societies are "conservative,"--whi ch, ironically, many of those on the Right claim that America truly is--and do not tend to like the intrusion of outsiders into their lives.
They don't even like the intrusion of other Muslims who don't adhere to their interpretation of Islam, which isn't all that strange when you consider just how many denominations of Christianity there are; many evangelicals don't consider Mormons to be Christians, and Catholics were widely discriminated against by Protestants here in the US.

Ok, lets focus on the ugly bearded bastards that are currently sitting in front of a mosque in NeW York praising that muslim major who just killed 13 US soldiers. They are praising him and telling others to do more things like this.. on national tv thanks to CNN.. you hear him actually say that its thier job to terrorize us and attack us.. and yet noone attacks them hmmmmmmmm

[John-K]

Marcmorr6 wrote:

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Ok, lets focus on the ugly bearded bastards that are currently sitting in front of a mosque in NeW York praising that muslim major who just killed 13 US soldiers. They are praising him and telling others to do more things like this.. on national tv thanks to CNN.. you hear him actually say that its thier job to terrorize us and attack us.. and yet noone attacks them hmmmmmmmm

Sorry, but do you have a link that happens to back up your assertions?

[Marcmorr6]

John-K wrote:

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Sorry, but do you have a link that happens to back up your assertions?

Yes, I can find one. CNN just did an on the street interview with the bearded bastard. It was on live no more then 2 hours ago

[Howdoyoulikechan gesofar]

Not conflicted. The proper word is afflicted. With a mental disorder.

[Obozo Buckwheat]

Howdoyoulikechangesofar wrote:

Not conflicted. The proper word is afflicted. With a mental disorder.

Islam is a mental disorder. Dealing with them is like talking to and idiot. They are on the lowest rung of the evolution ladder.

[POS POTUS]

Yes, they're "conflicted". They keep standing on the wrong side of the gun when they pull the trigger.

[VOR]

Moderate Islam is not vocal enough against terrorists. In fact, terrorists recruit and raise funds from mainstram mosques across the U.S.

[Howdoyoulikechan gesofar]

VOR wrote:

Moderate Islam is not vocal enough against terrorists. In fact, terrorists recruit and raise funds from mainstram mosques across the U.S.

There is no such thing as being a "Moderate Islamist". Just like there is no such thing as being "a little bit pregnant". Anyone claiming to be a "Moderate Islam" is lying, or not practicing the true Islam faith. It is is a religion of hatred, encouraging the killing of all "infidels".

[Patriot]

It turns out I was dead on with this guy:

http://www.theweek.com/article/index/102617/R...

[Gignesh Patele]

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[Marcmorr6]

Gignesh Patele wrote:

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Methinks thou art a nut!

[T Rex]

Unfortunately Obama's muslim background and ties have given new life to the Islamic soldiers serving in the U.S. They have nothing to fear because they have a strong advocate in office.

[T Rex]

VOR wrote:

Moderate Islam is not vocal enough against terrorists. In fact, terrorists recruit and raise funds from mainstram mosques across the U.S.

This statement is completely ignorant. All it takes to turn a moderate into a radical is one perceived injustice. This doctor at Fort Hood was a proclaimed "moderate". A few injustices, BAM, he's a warrior against the U.S. living among us. Don't kid yourself, that's exactly why we have the problems we do. Pandering, appeasing, stroking and coddling the most clever emeny our nation has even seen. 50 years ago no one ever heard of a muslim, everyone was scared of the commies, no one ever coddled a commie, or tried to pander and appease them and respect their way of life. This is different, the U.S. has made a huge mistake.

[Marcmorr6]

T Rex wrote:

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This statement is completely ignorant. All it takes to turn a moderate into a radical is one perceived injustice. This doctor at Fort Hood was a proclaimed "moderate". A few injustices, BAM, he's a warrior against the U.S. living among us. Don't kid yourself, that's exactly why we have the problems we do. Pandering, appeasing, stroking and coddling the most clever emeny our nation has even seen. 50 years ago no one ever heard of a muslim, everyone was scared of the commies, no one ever coddled a commie, or tried to pander and appease them and respect their way of life. This is different, the U.S. has made a huge mistake.

The difference is Communism wasn't a religion, it was a political movement. Fighting radical islam is much touchier because its a race of people, a religion of people, AND a terrrorist group all depending on whose viewing them. The US has to walk a fine line so as not to be what Germany became trying to clear the world of impure.

[LI Raised]

A US Soldier takes an oath to serve the USA. If they have a conflict with this they should be discharged. If they received an education free of charge for joining the military then they should be billed for it since they could not live up to thier commitment.

I'm outraged that they suspected this guy before he went on his shooting rampage but were afraid to do anything since it may look like racial profiling. I'm sure the families of the 13 killed would take racial profiling over thier loved ones being murdered.

[end the hate]

Marcmorr6 wrote:

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The difference is Communism wasn't a religion, it was a political movement. Fighting radical islam is much touchier because its a race of people, a religion of people, AND a terrrorist group all depending on whose viewing them. The US has to walk a fine line so as not to be what Germany became trying to clear the world of impure.

In some ways yes, in other ways no. Ask someone who escaped Russia in the late 70's early 80's if they think communism isn't a religion. You'll find their answers quite interesting. Define religion, then tell me communism doesn't fit the criteria... it sure does.

[get out now]

simply stated 'f' all muslims...its US or THEM.