Blame game continues for Big Brown's connections

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OFGS

Hicksville, NY

#1 Jun 9, 2008
Come on Matthews....you're just as bad as those involved with Brown. You wouldnt know a "great horse" if it stepped on your foot. There have been many "great" horses who did not win the Crown. Ever hear of Ruffian, Barbaro, and all those others? Winning the Crown doesn't necessarily prove they were great horses and before you start your passive-aggressive BS on me..yes I was there for the past two winners of the Crown.
If you must feed your woefully insecure narcisstic male ego...you know...like Dutrow's and the others...then fine..have your male ***** contest but for pete's sake, do you have to belittle the damn horse????? Brown was like a good quarterback surrounded by inept team members. Had he HAD a great team...he would have won and then people like you would have called him a "great" horse.
Dang, people like you always love to knock down anyone in sports who has talent but has off days OR due to assorted human variables (cough, inept team members) fails on one day. Fine. Brown cant run on broken beer bottles (something I'm sure you do frequently) but he is a Derby and Preakness champion and all the supposition cannot take that from him. Of course those of us who actually were there in person for those two races can attest to how great Brown was on those two particular days.
Keep your pissing contest within the male human realm...leave the horses out of it.
horseowner

Henry, TN

#2 Jun 9, 2008
Big Brown was spinning his wheels from the word go. The track was way too soft. He was bogged down from the second he came out of the gate in what looked like about five inches of plowed earth! Watch the tapes. The horse lost the race from the beginning. I've been training and showing horses for over twenty years. The hoof definitely was not the problem. The farriers could not have fixed that hoof more perfectly. Dutrow and his big mouth was the problem. The horse needed a fast track to perform at his peak and instead he might as well have been running a race in desert sand! Dutrow should have kept his mouth shut and run the horse on a solid, fast track. Instead, he asked for soft track and Belmont officials gave him disked, cushioned ground. Desormeaux ran the race as best he could. Dutrow and his Wall Street horse owners need to learn modesty and humbleness for future events, then they wouldn't have to blame others and cry in their beer.
Lou

United States

#3 Jun 9, 2008
The guys who own Big Brown are not horsemen, their slick wall street hucksters. They got lucky with one horse and they act like the Whitneys or Nick Zito, real horse affecinados. Zito suckered 'em all with his mount Da'Matra,he won going away. In the entire history of thoroughbred racing there are only about 5 GREAT horses. They include Secretariat,John Henry, Sea Biscuit,War Admiral (and the final one eludes me at the moment) Big Brown is a really good horse,but not in the same class as those guys. No self-respecting jockey pulls up a horse unless he's injured. If there was no horse under him,he still can finish the race-this act may have ruined this horse-send him to stud now.
The FIX was IN

Fort Lee, NJ

#4 Jun 9, 2008
The FIX was IN. Follow the money.
Chipster

Roosevelt, NY

#5 Jun 9, 2008
Take it from this horse trainer--Big Brown is a good horse, not a great one. You'll never see another Secretariat again. The days of the great racehorses are long gone. They don't breed for greatness, and these babies are run too hard too young to withstand even the slightest tests or to hold up over time (I've had many an exracehorse in my barn for new careers as show jumpers. Love them, but racing certainly takes a physical toll on them and ages them.) This had nothing to do with a quarter crack in his hoof. I've had plenty horses perform flawlessly with such minor cracks. This has to do with a horse that was obviously fatigued, had nothing left to give and, looked to me, even dehydrated. His weight and muscle tone didn't look as good as he did in the Derby. This horse wasn't accustomed to the demands of being raced so frequently so hard in such a short period of time. And, of course, you have to question how much he lost without his dose of steroids. I just hope he doesn't go the way that former Kentucky Derby winner Ferdinand went...
Chipster

Roosevelt, NY

#6 Jun 9, 2008
Lou wrote:
The guys who own Big Brown are not horsemen, their slick wall street hucksters. They got lucky with one horse and they act like the Whitneys or Nick Zito, real horse affecinados. Zito suckered 'em all with his mount Da'Matra,he won going away. In the entire history of thoroughbred racing there are only about 5 GREAT horses. They include Secretariat,John Henry, Sea Biscuit,War Admiral (and the final one eludes me at the moment) Big Brown is a really good horse,but not in the same class as those guys. No self-respecting jockey pulls up a horse unless he's injured. If there was no horse under him,he still can finish the race-this act may have ruined this horse-send him to stud now.
Think you're looking for Affirmed as one of those greats.

I have to disagree about the jockey. He made the right call. If the horse is running irregularly, is unresponsive and failing, you don't push him until he breaks down, you pull him up and see what's wrong with him. If he pushed him until he collapsed, you all would be screaming that he did the wrong thing. This time, he made the humane and intelligent choice, knowing his mount has something wrong with him. Considering that they treat him with Lasix, I wonder if Big Brown is a known bleeder. If he is, and he wasn't running right, I wouldn't take the chance that his failing wasn't due to some internal bleeding.
Issac Murphy

Warwick, NY

#7 Jun 9, 2008
Barbaro was NOT a GREAT HORSE. People must stop throwing that term around like rice at a wedding. Barbaro was a very good horse and sympathy put him over the top, incorrectly, into the great horse category...unfortuantely.
michael p

Watertown, CT

#8 Jun 9, 2008
Just like dutrow a real champ blaming the jockey. The horse did not want to run. Just admit that you talked a lot of junk leading up to the belmont and were wrong. Now you say you "feel like a loser and don't know why" .. well I can tell you why you are a loser and it is not because of your horse.
Issac Murphy

Warwick, NY

#9 Jun 9, 2008
Ruffian was a great horse and, unlike Barbaro, would have always been considered to be a great horse whether she broke down or not.
Le le

New Britain, CT

#10 Jun 9, 2008
I think sadly for Ferdinand, all eyes were not trained on the TB race world as they are now.
I beleive little by little the industry is not going to be able to sweep these guys under the rug (transltion: off to slaughter) as they have in the past.
Kimberly

Bradenton, FL

#11 Jun 9, 2008
Even good horses have off days. Big Brown ran great races. Not this time. Give him credit for doing so well up to this time. We ain't perfect. Neither are horses. Come On, love Big Brown for who he is...

“That's Un-Possible!”

Since: Jan 08

Brookhaven Hamlet, Long Island

#12 Jun 9, 2008
Doesn't Wallace Matthews have a face that says "I'm a big schmuck, please punch here"?
Chipster

Roosevelt, NY

#13 Jun 9, 2008
Hey, you can see some clips of races of the greats on youtube. i was just watching Affirmed and Alydar duel it out. Secretariat is there too.
Championship

Brooklyn, NY

#14 Jun 9, 2008
Wallace Mathews mus be the one approving Barbara Barkers articles. Matthews is a Joke.

“That's Un-Possible!”

Since: Jan 08

Brookhaven Hamlet, Long Island

#15 Jun 9, 2008
Championship wrote:
Wallace Mathews mus be the one approving Barbara Barkers articles. Matthews is a Joke.
Brilliant.
Interesting.
Agree.
Lauren

Chicago, IL

#16 Jun 9, 2008
In all reality, the racing industry and especially the media could never handle a Triple Crown winner. Could you just imagine the pandemonium, chaos and greed that would have ensued if Big Brown won! The media madness alone would have created a horror of the whole situation. Big Brown would have had to gone into hiding and changed his identity. Thank you to the fates for stepping in and saving us from ourselves. Big Brown is a great horse, and will forever join the Double Crown winners.
Barbaro

Rockland, MA

#17 Jun 9, 2008
He was so a great horse, why not? What do you have to bring him down?
Mare

United States

#18 Jun 9, 2008
Big Brown is a champion. His connections are the losers. Dutrow is an idiot. I say turn BB's raining and riding over to Michelle Nevin -- she's the only one who seems to truly care about the horse. I'd like to hear what she's thinking right now.
Mare

United States

#19 Jun 9, 2008
I say turn Big Brown's over to Michelle Nevin. She's the only one who seems to truly cares about this horse. Maybe Bobby Frankel can throw a little advice her way every now and then, too. (Now there's a brilliant trainer.)
Bose7

Long Beach, NY

#20 Jun 9, 2008
In their trio, there are at least 2 crooks, at least 2 guys who aren't team players and who knows what else. It's really hard rooting for them.

As for the horse, remember horses as good as Spectacular Bid and Alysheba failed to complete this triple. Even in a weak year, it requires a superhorse - not one that requires the track to be groomed to his liking. Where did that come from and how often does NYRA buy into it? Yeah it's a fair game alright.

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