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ILAL Nelson

Dover, OH

#22 Nov 19, 2013
Harriman Nelson wrote:
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!
You might be on to something.
I've got you on the RUN, RUN, RUN again!

“Slightly below above-average”

Since: Jul 10

arguably garrulous

#23 Nov 19, 2013
Nemo Noone wrote:
The Republican Party once supported intelligent life.
It's amazing, a complete turnaround. Now intelligent life supports the Republican Party.

You have to repeal it to find out what's in it.
Nemo Noone

Pine Ridge, SD

#24 Nov 19, 2013
WDRussell wrote:
If the TeaParty all went to Mars, they would feel right at home.
There is no intelligent life on Mars either.
I doubt if the crazies are done yet. The Republican Party has allowed the extreme right to take over. Couple the political extreme with a religious mix and a southern racial hate I doubt if it changes much. Extremists now control the Republicans.

It used to be that the extremists like Libertarians, John Birch Society and Aryan Rand people tried to exist as separate political parties. Didn't work so they just moved in at the local & State level and took over the Republican Party. Moderate progressive conservatives were labeled RINO’s and shouted down and primaried. The Republican Party of old that was conservative but yet progressive no longer exists but the nuts and whackos still do. The Republican Party of today would not have had anything to do with the position they once took over slavery and fought the Civil War over. Today they are busy gerrymandering and working at voter suppression to win. Some Republican controlled States are working to change the way the Electoral College vote are cast just to win back the Presidency.

If there was no Republican gerrymandering Democrats would control the House of Representatives.

If the out dated Electoral College was eliminated and Presidents were elected by popular vote, Gore would have been President as he received 543,895 more popular votes than Bush. Take Ralph Nader’s votes and Gore would have cleaned house. In the next election Bush did beat Kerry in the popular vote but had we used popular vote Bush would never had been President in the first place. It would have been Clinton, Gore and then Obama. What a difference it would have made.

No unfunded wars, no tax cut for the rich, no financial meltdown, no economic depression and little debt handed to Obama. There would have been no need for the stimulus package little debt today and the country would have carried on like Clinton left it.

Problem is that never happened because Bush became President. When a half black man became President all the racism and hate worked its way from day one. McCain furthered the problem by created a baby monster with Palin and the resulting Tea Party. The Republicans could not stand to see a half black man elected President of the USA. Out boiled the racism from day one spurred on by Fixed News, Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the right wing talking heads. The echo chamber was created where it was ok – just fine – to blow the white boy silent dog whistle of racism and they have done it well. Racist emails flew from one Republican to the next and slowly people became immune to it. It became acceptable to hear the “he’s not one of us”, birthers, Muslim stuff, bone’s in the nose and a lot more.

Sadly it’s not going to go away until the half black man is no longer President.

You can see a lot of hate out there because people cannot think for themselves and good people keep silent. If one sets down with a bunch of Republicans today it’s who can cuss Obama the most. Say one thing supporting Obama and you are an outcast. It is similar to when good people in Germany kept silent and let those who used lies, fear, hate, and racism to influence the ignorant and to divide the people. Tell people the same crap enough times and they start to believe it.

Good people need to speak up and stop the stupidity, point out the lies, stop the hate and racism. Yes, they will not like to be challenged but isn’t it better than letting fear, hate and racism work its nasty ways?
CTM

New Milford, CT

#25 Nov 19, 2013
Obama was bought and paid for before the elction was over the first time. The senate jewdiciary has most of the control, that's why you always saw Reid with Schumer standing behind him every time the dems had a budget comment. Then the Republicans agreed to the budget and the dems stalled the vote to make them look even worse when they were on the ropes. The dems REAL interest in the budget, the pork they packed into it for themselves just before the known no contest vote was made. A lot of you will be in disbelief when surrounded by military and nobody else has a gun or money! Ohio State protests all over again.

“Slightly below above-average”

Since: Jul 10

arguably garrulous

#26 Nov 20, 2013
Nemo Noone wrote:
<quoted text>
The Republican Party has allowed the extreme right to take over.
And the Democrats have not a single person on the political spectrum who'll utter something like, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

Instead, we get, Vote for me and I'll get you some free sh*t.
Harriman Nelson

Bronx, NY

#27 Nov 26, 2013
Nemo Noone wrote:
<quoted text>
I doubt if the crazies are done yet. The Republican Party has allowed the extreme right to take over. Couple the political extreme with a religious mix and a southern racial hate I doubt if it changes much. Extremists now control the Republicans.
It used to be that the extremists like Libertarians, John Birch Society and Aryan Rand people tried to exist as separate political parties. Didn't work so they just moved in at the local & State level and took over the Republican Party. Moderate progressive conservatives were labeled RINO’s and shouted down and primaried. The Republican Party of old that was conservative but yet progressive no longer exists but the nuts and whackos still do. The Republican Party of today would not have had anything to do with the position they once took over slavery and fought the Civil War over. Today they are busy gerrymandering and working at voter suppression to win. Some Republican controlled States are working to change the way the Electoral College vote are cast just to win back the Presidency.
If there was no Republican gerrymandering Democrats would control the House of Representatives.
If the out dated Electoral College was eliminated and Presidents were elected by popular vote, Gore would have been President as he received 543,895 more popular votes than Bush. Take Ralph Nader’s votes and Gore would have cleaned house. In the next election Bush did beat Kerry in the popular vote but had we used popular vote Bush would never had been President in the first place. It would have been Clinton, Gore and then Obama. What a difference it would have made.
No unfunded wars, no tax cut for the rich, no financial meltdown, no economic depression and little debt handed to Obama. There would have been no need for the stimulus package little debt today and the country would have carried on like Clinton left it.
Problem is that never happened because Bush became President. When a half black man became President all the racism and hate worked its way from day one. McCain furthered the problem by created a baby monster with Palin and the resulting Tea Party. The Republicans could not stand to see a half black man elected President of the USA. Out boiled the racism from day one spurred on by Fixed News, Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the right wing talking heads. The echo chamber was created where it was ok – just fine – to blow the white boy silent dog whistle of racism and they have done it well. Racist emails flew from one Republican to the next and slowly people became immune to it. It became acceptable to hear the “he’s not one of us”, birthers, Muslim stuff, bone’s in the nose and a lot more.
Sadly it’s not going to go away until the half black man is no longer President.
You can see a lot of hate out there because people cannot think for themselves and good people keep silent. If one sets down with a bunch of Republicans today it’s who can cuss Obama the most. Say one thing supporting Obama and you are an outcast. It is similar to when good people in Germany kept silent and let those who used lies, fear, hate, and racism to influence the ignorant and to divide the people. Tell people the same crap enough times and they start to believe it.
Good people need to speak up and stop the stupidity, point out the lies, stop the hate and racism. Yes, they will not like to be challenged but isn’t it better than letting fear, hate and racism work its nasty ways?
Great post and very informative, you always offer intelligent insight on a subject.
The so called conservative movement has exposed it's desperation; specifically to to preserve it's White victimization mythology.
From what's seen from this group are people who hate 2 things;
1. They really hate being called racists.
2. They really hate blacks, and in addition, hate latinos, asians, women, gays and low income people.
Nemo Noone

Hot Springs, SD

#29 Dec 24, 2013
There is no doubt that the energy, the dynamism, and the soul of the Tea Party movement can be found in the angry, contorted faces of its members screaming about “Communism” and “Socialism” at rallies across the land. They are a fraternity of, for the most part, middle aged, Middle Class angry white males who believe they see the country they grew up in slipping away. Their vision of what America was like — a vision that obscures or ignores the more unseemly aspects of American society in decades past — lives on in Ronald Reagan’s “shining city on a hill”. It’s a precious, if completely fanciful vision of an America that never was, but is embraced because it validates the sincere patriotic feelings felt by most ordinary Americans. They fear change because it is unsettling to have America’s perfection challenged in such a stark and obvious way.

For better or worse, the Tea Party has become the Tao of the GOP. Trying to remove them would sap most of the energy and activism from the party, which is why you don’t see too many establishment or mainstream Republicans trying to marginalize them.

But the Tea Party does not represent the totality of the GOP crazies problem. Radical Christians who want to deny basic rights to gays, and even to women, are a far larger quandary. They vote. And no candidate for the presidency who runs on the Republican ticket can avoid toeing the line on their issues. If Mitt Romney had stood up to them by maintaining his position on gay marriage, abortion and other social issues, it is very likely he would not have been nominated. It’s at least partly the reason that governors like Mitch Daniels and Chris Christie refused to enter the GOP field in 2012. Catering to the concerns of people who believe the earth was created 6,000 years ago proves to be too much for some.

Of course, a third party of anti-abortion and anti-gay activists, evangelical Christians, radical anti-government Objectivists, and paranoid loons would never win a national election. But then, neither would the GOP. This wouldn’t exactly be a split between ideologues and pragmatists, but it would clearly define the divisions in the conservative movement and Republican party in such a way that one or both parties might attract enough Democrats who may be tiring of the relentless liberalism currently in vogue on the left and would seek a different brand of populism or moderate politics.

But for the present, the crazies and the GOP establishment need each other. And unless the pragmatists realize just how much of a drag the crazies are on their political fortunes, the GOP is likely to continue losing mainstream voters who look in askance on a party that tolerates such nuttiness.--– Rick Moran
Harriman Nelson

Bronx, NY

#30 Dec 25, 2013
Nemo Noone wrote:
There is no doubt that the energy, the dynamism, and the soul of the Tea Party movement can be found in the angry, contorted faces of its members screaming about “Communism” and “Socialism” at rallies across the land. They are a fraternity of, for the most part, middle aged, Middle Class angry white males who believe they see the country they grew up in slipping away. Their vision of what America was like — a vision that obscures or ignores the more unseemly aspects of American society in decades past — lives on in Ronald Reagan’s “shining city on a hill”. It’s a precious, if completely fanciful vision of an America that never was, but is embraced because it validates the sincere patriotic feelings felt by most ordinary Americans. They fear change because it is unsettling to have America’s perfection challenged in such a stark and obvious way.
For better or worse, the Tea Party has become the Tao of the GOP. Trying to remove them would sap most of the energy and activism from the party, which is why you don’t see too many establishment or mainstream Republicans trying to marginalize them.
But the Tea Party does not represent the totality of the GOP crazies problem. Radical Christians who want to deny basic rights to gays, and even to women, are a far larger quandary. They vote. And no candidate for the presidency who runs on the Republican ticket can avoid toeing the line on their issues. If Mitt Romney had stood up to them by maintaining his position on gay marriage, abortion and other social issues, it is very likely he would not have been nominated. It’s at least partly the reason that governors like Mitch Daniels and Chris Christie refused to enter the GOP field in 2012. Catering to the concerns of people who believe the earth was created 6,000 years ago proves to be too much for some.
Of course, a third party of anti-abortion and anti-gay activists, evangelical Christians, radical anti-government Objectivists, and paranoid loons would never win a national election. But then, neither would the GOP. This wouldn’t exactly be a split between ideologues and pragmatists, but it would clearly define the divisions in the conservative movement and Republican party in such a way that one or both parties might attract enough Democrats who may be tiring of the relentless liberalism currently in vogue on the left and would seek a different brand of populism or moderate politics.
But for the present, the crazies and the GOP establishment need each other. And unless the pragmatists realize just how much of a drag the crazies are on their political fortunes, the GOP is likely to continue losing mainstream voters who look in askance on a party that tolerates such nuttiness.--– Rick Moran
Agreed, and once again a great and informative post.
Those reichwing kooks can get lemmings like the ones who vote for them to jump over a cliff.
They're a cancer spreading ignorance and hate because of America's changing demographics who do not agree with their ideology.
Historian

Cadiz, KY

#31 Dec 26, 2013
Nemo Noone wrote:
There is no doubt that the energy, the dynamism, and the soul of the Tea Party movement can be found in the angry, contorted faces of its members screaming about “Communism” and “Socialism” at rallies across the land. They are a fraternity of, for the most part, middle aged, Middle Class angry white males who believe they see the country they grew up in slipping away. Their vision of what America was like — a vision that obscures or ignores the more unseemly aspects of American society in decades past — lives on in Ronald Reagan’s “shining city on a hill”. It’s a precious, if completely fanciful vision of an America that never was, but is embraced because it validates the sincere patriotic feelings felt by most ordinary Americans. They fear change because it is unsettling to have America’s perfection challenged in such a stark and obvious way.
For better or worse, the Tea Party has become the Tao of the GOP. Trying to remove them would sap most of the energy and activism from the party, which is why you don’t see too many establishment or mainstream Republicans trying to marginalize them.
But the Tea Party does not represent the totality of the GOP crazies problem. Radical Christians who want to deny basic rights to gays, and even to women, are a far larger quandary. They vote. And no candidate for the presidency who runs on the Republican ticket can avoid toeing the line on their issues. If Mitt Romney had stood up to them by maintaining his position on gay marriage, abortion and other social issues, it is very likely he would not have been nominated. It’s at least partly the reason that governors like Mitch Daniels and Chris Christie refused to enter the GOP field in 2012. Catering to the concerns of people who believe the earth was created 6,000 years ago proves to be too much for some.
Of course, a third party of anti-abortion and anti-gay activists, evangelical Christians, radical anti-government Objectivists, and paranoid loons would never win a national election. But then, neither would the GOP. This wouldn’t exactly be a split between ideologues and pragmatists, but it would clearly define the divisions in the conservative movement and Republican party in such a way that one or both parties might attract enough Democrats who may be tiring of the relentless liberalism currently in vogue on the left and would seek a different brand of populism or moderate politics.
But for the present, the crazies and the GOP establishment need each other. And unless the pragmatists realize just how much of a drag the crazies are on their political fortunes, the GOP is likely to continue losing mainstream voters who look in askance on a party that tolerates such nuttiness.--– Rick Moran
You are leaving out another important element of the Christian Right portion of the Tea Party / Republican "base": the Christian Zionists. This group wants war in the Middle East, and not just more of the same, but a real war, the opening battle of Armageddon. To them, Israel's policy is God's will and anybody who opposes it is God's enemy. To them, supporting Israel means unquestioning support of the most extreme elements in Israel, the Likud and parties to the right of it.
Opinion

Hot Springs, SD

#32 Dec 26, 2013
Historian wrote:
<quoted text>
You are leaving out another important element of the Christian Right portion of the Tea Party / Republican "base": the Christian Zionists. This group wants war in the Middle East, and not just more of the same, but a real war, the opening battle of Armageddon. To them, Israel's policy is God's will and anybody who opposes it is God's enemy. To them, supporting Israel means unquestioning support of the most extreme elements in Israel, the Likud and parties to the right of it.
You will get NO argument out of me regarding that. There is the nuts which I call the USA Christian Taliban.

They are just as nuts and crazy as the Muslim Taliban.
ILAL

Bronx, NY

#33 Dec 28, 2013
Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
You will get NO argument out of me regarding that. There is the nuts which I call the USA Christian Taliban.
They are just as nuts and crazy as the Muslim Taliban.
That is the honest truth.
They're the modern day Third Reich.
poor old country boy

Logan, WV

#34 Dec 29, 2013
Nemo Noone wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually a lot of the blame falls on John McCain who presented Palin to the nuts of the Republican Party as their voice.
Then one could also blame Obama for being a well educated intelligent half black man who ran for President and was elected by the citizens of the USA. The ignorant, the poorly educated, the southern bigots and the religious right could not stand to see a half black man elected President.
Then some of the blame rests in the Republican party who has been playing those idiots for votes over single issues like abortion, anti-gay, creationism etc since Reagan. They created a monster that now has taken over what was once a reasonable political party.
No Obama was elected by the Electoral Collage like ever other president. And you are calling us poorly educated? Lol ! lol ! lol !

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