Feds: Fire took down WTC 7

Feds: Fire took down WTC 7

There are 28 comments on the AMNY story from Aug 21, 2008, titled Feds: Fire took down WTC 7. In it, AMNY reports that:

Federal investigators said Thursday they have solved a mystery of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks: the collapse of World Trade Center building 7, a source of long-running conspiracy theories.

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Observant

New York, NY

#1 Aug 21, 2008
The 9/11 conspiracy theorists are childish morons who really need to be given another series of the X-Files to give them something else to talk about.
Arnie

AOL

#2 Aug 22, 2008
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Dude

New York, NY

#3 Aug 23, 2008
What about WTC 1 and 2. Did those collapse because of fire? that's the real question. there was a building that had a plane fly into it before, and that building did not collapse. what's the deal. investigate that and maybe the conspiracy theories could go away.
Not happy

Cicero, IL

#4 Feb 21, 2013
Dude wrote:
What about WTC 1 and 2. Did those collapse because of fire? that's the real question. there was a building that had a plane fly into it before, and that building did not collapse. what's the deal. investigate that and maybe the conspiracy theories could go away.
Of course there was a building that had a plane fly into it! On July 28th, 1945, a B-25 Mitchell bomber crashed into the Empire State Building. It hit the 78th and 79th floors. Here are a couple news videos about that incident.


And also at http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Not happy

Cicero, IL

#5 Feb 21, 2013
Here is a video of yet another highrise fire. Even though the top 6 floors collapsed, the building remained standing, although it was eventually demolished. And reports indicate there was no fireproofing on the steel frame!
Not happy

Cicero, IL

#6 Feb 21, 2013
That's not all! Here is an article that more explains what happened on 9/11. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20G...
Just Saying

Central Islip, NY

#7 Feb 22, 2013
Not happy wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course there was a building that had a plane fly into it! On July 28th, 1945, a B-25 Mitchell bomber crashed into the Empire State Building. It hit the 78th and 79th floors. Here are a couple news videos about that incident. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =ZD69sP51u-sXX
And also at http://www.youtube.com/watch...
A B-25 was a prop plane that was not nearly as big or fast as a 767, nor did it carry huge quantities of jet fuel, so the comparison isn't very relevant.
Just Saying

Central Islip, NY

#8 Feb 22, 2013
Not happy wrote:
That's not all! Here is an article that more explains what happened on 9/11. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20G...
I was there on 9/11, and can vouch for the fact that 2 jets crashed into Towers 1 and 2 of the World Trade Center, resulting in fierce fires and catastrophic damage that destroyed not only the Twin Towers, but the rest of the complex, and some adjacent buildings too. It's way past time to put all the nutty conspiracy theories to rest.
Not happy

Cicero, IL

#9 Feb 23, 2013
But how in blazes can you explain how the twin towers and WTC 7 crumbled all the way down to the bare foundations?! When the top floors of the Windsor Tower collapsed and gave way, they did not pile drive the entire Windsor Tower all the way down to it's bare foundation. Instead, the collapsing debris was pushed outwards by the structure below it and it just rained right down into the street. A video of the Windsor Tower can be found at


And this was NOT the only highrise fire there ever was! On February 1st, 1974, the 25-story Joelma Building in Sao Paulo, Brazil caught fire and became a raging white hot inferno from the 12th floor all the way up! And guess what? Not only did the Joelma Building NOT crumble to the ground as the World Trade Center did, the Joelma Building still stands today!

And in January 2008, another scalding inferno engulfed the Cyber World Towers in Bangkok, Thailand. And despite it, the Cyber World Towers didn't crumble to the ground either. A video of the Cyber World Towers can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Just Saying

Central Islip, NY

#10 Feb 23, 2013
Not happy wrote:
But how in blazes can you explain how the twin towers and WTC 7 crumbled all the way down to the bare foundations?! When the top floors of the Windsor Tower collapsed and gave way, they did not pile drive the entire Windsor Tower all the way down to it's bare foundation. Instead, the collapsing debris was pushed outwards by the structure below it and it just rained right down into the street. A video of the Windsor Tower can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =j4MjsVnasLAXX
And this was NOT the only highrise fire there ever was! On February 1st, 1974, the 25-story Joelma Building in Sao Paulo, Brazil caught fire and became a raging white hot inferno from the 12th floor all the way up! And guess what? Not only did the Joelma Building NOT crumble to the ground as the World Trade Center did, the Joelma Building still stands today!
And in January 2008, another scalding inferno engulfed the Cyber World Towers in Bangkok, Thailand. And despite it, the Cyber World Towers didn't crumble to the ground either. A video of the Cyber World Towers can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Not similar situations. Different construction methods were used to build the Twin Towers. Also, the jet-fueled fire was so hot that it softened the steel supporting the building, until it failed and caused the collapse. I was on Vesey Street, and saw the South Tower collapsing upon itself before I ran for cover. Flaming debris from the North Tower also fell into 7 World Trade Center, and caused a fire. Unfortunately, this was also the location of the NYC Office of Emergency Management (OEM), which had generators and large amounts of fuel stored there for emergencies. This also fueled the fire that eventually caused the collapse of this building as well, after the decimated FDNY decided it wasn't worth trying to save it, and let it burn and colapse. This was all gone over in great detail many times before, and shouldn't be a mystery any longer.
Not happy

Cicero, IL

#11 Feb 24, 2013
Just Saying wrote:
<quoted text>Not similar situations. Different construction methods were used to build the Twin Towers. Also, the jet-fueled fire was so hot that it softened the steel supporting the building, until it failed and caused the collapse. I was on Vesey Street, and saw the South Tower collapsing upon itself before I ran for cover. Flaming debris from the North Tower also fell into 7 World Trade Center, and caused a fire. Unfortunately, this was also the location of the NYC Office of Emergency Management (OEM), which had generators and large amounts of fuel stored there for emergencies. This also fueled the fire that eventually caused the collapse of this building as well, after the decimated FDNY decided it wasn't worth trying to save it, and let it burn and colapse. This was all gone over in great detail many times before, and shouldn't be a mystery any longer.
But if the collapse were, hypothetically, caused by the fires, the tops of the buildings should have at least cascaded outwards, leaving the rest of the buildings below the impact floors still standing and intact. And even if the south tower would have went due to the fires, from the way the top heeled over, the top should have just toppled over, fallen completely off the building, and left the rest of the building intact and standing below the impact area.

As for the North tower, if hypothetically it also went due to the fires, the top floors should have simply pancaked a short distance, shed the outer walls, and the collapse should have stopped at anywhere between the 85th and 90th floor.
Maude

Lynbrook, NY

#12 Feb 28, 2013
I beleave the amount of fuel coursed the fire that was so hot that it melted the steel holding up each floor coursing a pancake effect to each floor.If it was'nt for the building plans being public information which I beleave was obtained by the terrorist this could of been avoided possibly. What say you???????
Just Saying

Central Islip, NY

#13 Mar 2, 2013
Maude wrote:
I beleave the amount of fuel coursed the fire that was so hot that it melted the steel holding up each floor coursing a pancake effect to each floor.If it was'nt for the building plans being public information which I beleave was obtained by the terrorist this could of been avoided possibly. What say you???????
He jumped to another thread to post the same nonsense under a different screen name, because he can't accept the truth of what happened on 9/11.

“Same F*ck”

Since: Oct 07

Different You's

#14 Mar 2, 2013
Not happy wrote:
But how in blazes can you explain how the twin towers and WTC 7 crumbled all the way down to the bare foundations?! When the top floors of the Windsor Tower collapsed and gave way, they did not pile drive the entire Windsor Tower all the way down to it's bare foundation. Instead, the collapsing debris was pushed outwards by the structure below it and it just rained right down into the street. A video of the Windsor Tower can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =j4MjsVnasLAXX
And this was NOT the only highrise fire there ever was! On February 1st, 1974, the 25-story Joelma Building in Sao Paulo, Brazil caught fire and became a raging white hot inferno from the 12th floor all the way up! And guess what? Not only did the Joelma Building NOT crumble to the ground as the World Trade Center did, the Joelma Building still stands today!
And in January 2008, another scalding inferno engulfed the Cyber World Towers in Bangkok, Thailand. And despite it, the Cyber World Towers didn't crumble to the ground either. A video of the Cyber World Towers can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Dude, you can't be serious. Then again you're from that majority lowlife loser state of Illinois. Stop compared other building destructions to the world trade center. No other destruction happened the way WTC collapsed. The real conspiracy was the shooting down of the 4th plane. Of course that was a good thing since that flight was doomed anyhow.
He who knows

Cicero, IL

#15 Mar 2, 2013
Maude wrote:
I beleave the amount of fuel coursed the fire that was so hot that it melted the steel holding up each floor coursing a pancake effect to each floor.If it was'nt for the building plans being public information which I beleave was obtained by the terrorist this could of been avoided possibly. What say you???????
It doesn't matter if the fires were hot enough to melt the steel as if it were plastic! There is no way those collapses could have continued, uninterrupted, all the way down to the ground, unless there was something else, possibly something that blew out the middle and lower floors. Otherwise, the resistance from the lower floors would have caused the vast majority of the collapse debris to spill completely off the buildings and rain outwards into the streets, just like the top of a sandcastle collapsing.

Those buildings were also NOT held up by their roofs! They were held up by the ground and their foundations.
Flipside

Avon, IN

#16 Mar 2, 2013


Watch and judge for yourself
Maude

Lynbrook, NY

#17 Mar 2, 2013
He who knows wrote:
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It doesn't matter if the fires were hot enough to melt the steel as if it were plastic! There is no way those collapses could have continued, uninterrupted, all the way down to the ground, unless there was something else, possibly something that blew out the middle and lower floors. Otherwise, the resistance from the lower floors would have caused the vast majority of the collapse debris to spill completely off the buildings and rain outwards into the streets, just like the top of a sandcastle collapsing.
Those buildings were also NOT held up by their roofs! They were held up by the ground and their foundations.
Im saying that each floor lets say weighs 15tons and the brackets holding them up are rated say at 25tons, when each floor piles on one another.Would'nt that course the pancake effect???
Flipside

Avon, IN

#18 Mar 3, 2013
Maude wrote:
<quoted text>Im saying that each floor lets say weighs 15tons and the brackets holding them up are rated say at 25tons, when each floor piles on one another.Would'nt that course the pancake effect???
Yes it would, but it would take something more than just a series of simple fires. And IF it were just from the fires, it wouldn't collapes all at once, it would fall apart were the sections were on fire. Here is an example. How would a fire break out on the SW corner if the towers were on the NE side of the property? Lets say that the NE side is on fire, it would be the first to with the SW corner more stable .

For the sake of argument, lets say that the Feds were right.(snicker)

Look at the photos of the pentagon when it was hit. Were were the derbies of the plane? Lets not forget, its jet fuel, NOT rocket fuel. In aviation history, this is the FIRST that a plane was incinerated by rocker fuel.
Teddy R

Reston, VA

#19 Mar 3, 2013
Flipside wrote:
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Yes it would, but it would take something more than just a series of simple fires.
Indeed. It would take something like, oh ... say, the impact from a 400,000 lb mass moving at 400 kts and carrying 10,000 gallons of Jet-A, igniting the entire fuel load on several floors nearly simultaneously, severing or compromising extensive sections of the exterior vertical structural members, and severly compromising the towers' fire suppression, steel fireproofing, and fire separation systems.

It would take something like, oh ... exactly what happened.

Stop being such a flaming dope.
Flipside wrote:
<quoted text>And IF it were just from the fires, it wouldn't collapes all at once, it would fall apart were the sections were on fire.


Wrong. Multiple entire floors were obviously fully engulfed and burned for nearly an hour.

As soon as a progressive failure mechanism developed, the tower WOULD - and did - collapse all at once, straight down (the direction in which gravity acts), and at effectively "free-fall speed."

Your silly notions otherwise are foolish tripe.
Flipside wrote:
<quoted text> For the sake of argument, lets say that the Feds were right.(snicker)
Look at the photos of the pentagon when it was hit. Were were the derbies of the plane?
Oh - you mean this debris?

http://www.google.com/search...

(snicker).
Flipside wrote:
<quoted text>Lets not forget, its jet fuel, NOT rocket fuel. In aviation history, this is the FIRST that a plane was incinerated by rocker fuel.
You want to try again and put that in English so you can be pantsed AGAIN on another ludicrous twoofer meme?

Or perhaps you might just cut your losses and take your offensive twoofer rubbish somewhere else.
Maude

Lynbrook, NY

#20 Mar 3, 2013
Flipside wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it would, but it would take something more than just a series of simple fires. And IF it were just from the fires, it wouldn't collapes all at once, it would fall apart were the sections were on fire. Here is an example. How would a fire break out on the SW corner if the towers were on the NE side of the property? Lets say that the NE side is on fire, it would be the first to with the SW corner more stable .
For the sake of argument, lets say that the Feds were right.(snicker)
Look at the photos of the pentagon when it was hit. Were were the derbies of the plane? Lets not forget, its jet fuel, NOT rocket fuel. In aviation history, this is the FIRST that a plane was incinerated by rocker fuel.
The plane that hit both the WTC and the pentagon had full tanks of fuel,the planning was right on.IM not an engineer but they the terroris kind of knew what they were doing.The missing debrie like you say has me puzzled.

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