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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision. Full Story
feces for jesus

Bellmore, NY

#291549 Apr 1, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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Abortion should be illegal because it kills a human life.
Not every pregnancy comes to term. If you choose to word it like that, know that a spontaneous abortion would be included as well.

Thankfully, your point of view does not dictate the law.

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#291550 Apr 1, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
"The Department of Health was not the only state agency that could and should
have shut down Gosnell decades ago. The State Board of Medicine (the Board) is one of
29 boards overseen by the Department of State’s Bureau of Professional and
Occupational Affairs. The Board’s attorneys had ample notice of Gosnell’s illegal and
reckless abortion practices, and of the damage he had done to patients. Eight years before
Karnamaya Mongar died, a former Gosnell employee told the Department of State about
the illegal practice that resulted in Mrs. Mongar’s death: Gosnell had unlicensed workers
anesthetizing patients when he was not at the clinic. Yet, despite receiving that report
and several other serious complaints over the years, the Board took no action to suspend
or revoke his license.
Attorneys for Pennsylvania’s Department of State disregarded notices that
numerous patients of Gosnell were hospitalized – infected, with fetal remains still inside
them; and with perforated uteruses, cervixes, and bowels. Incredibly, in 2004, Department of State attorneys closed – without investigation – a case reported to the
Board involving the death of 22-year-old Semika Shaw.
Between 2002 and 2009, Board of Medicine attorneys reviewed five cases
involving malpractice and other complaints against Gosnell.(The Grand Jury also
received records of three older complaints – from 1983, 1990, and 1992 – one of which
resulted in a reprimand.) None of the assigned attorneys, or their supervisors, suggested
that the Board take action against the deviant doctor. In fact, despite serious allegations,
three of the cases were closed without any investigation. The other two were investigated
and then closed – without any action being taken."
In all this inaction, one failure to investigate stands out. On October 9, 2002, the
Professional Underwriters Liability Insurance Company reported to the State Board of
Medicine that it had paid a $400,000 settlement to the family of Semika Shaw, the 22-
year-old mother of two who died following an abortion procedure at Gosnell’s clinic in
March 2000.(In January 2003, the Pennsylvania Medical Professional Liability
Catastrophe Loss Fund reported to the Department of State that it had paid an additional
$500,000 toward a $900,000 award to the family.) The October 9 report is logged in as
“received” by the Department of State’s “Complaints Office” on December 6, 2002. The
file turned over to the Grand Jury shows no further activity until over a year later –
January 2, 2004 – when a one-page printout of Gosnell’s license information is stamped
“received” by the complaints office.
"THE PHILADEPHIA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH ALSO IGNORED
ALARMING WARNINGS ABOUT GOSNELL’S PRACTICE."
"Supervisors in the Division of Disease Control ignored a nurse’s disturbing report
about conditions in Gosnell’s clinic in 2008 and 2009."
"The Philadelphia Health Department’s Environmental Engineering Section failed to
follow through after receiving a complaint in 2003 about aborted fetuses stored in
an employee refrigerator."
State agency after state agency failed the public. To hell with the NAF, even if they HAD reported him, the state would have ignored it, just like they ignored every other complaint for 20 years.
Sounds to me like people were being paid off to look the other way maybe.
I'll go back and read today's stuff tomorrow. Nite!
There's no question that the Dept of Health, who failed to inspect Gosnell's "clinic" under the direction of pro"choice" Governor Ridge, is ultimately responsible for allowing this to continue. But the NAF has blood on their hands as well. Maybe nothing would have been done, but they should have at least informend them of what they found. Maybe, a report from a pro"choice" organization more seriously than a report from a bunch of anti-choicer's. My point is that they didn't care enough about women to even try.

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#291551 Apr 1, 2013
feces for jesus wrote:
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Not every pregnancy comes to term. If you choose to word it like that, know that a spontaneous abortion would be included as well.
Thankfully, your point of view does not dictate the law.


A spontanious abortion isn't a deliberate act. Thankfully we live in a country where we can work to change laws.

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#291552 Apr 1, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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It appears that they are nothing more than a country club for abortionists. They certainly don't give a damn about women and children.
What's that say about the Pro Life groups who were aware of Gosnells clinic long before the NAF was aware?

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#291553 Apr 1, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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I printed several pages from the Grand Jury report.
And the NAF did nothing criminal.

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#291554 Apr 1, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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"All this crap about I stand up for the unborn all the while 3rd trimester babies were being illegally aborted while Pro Life was just a few miles"
They didn't know what was happening in Gosnell's "clinic", but the National Abortion Federation did.
"It's all about the politics man and greasing palms."
Yup, that's exactly true about the National Abortion Federation.
Because they were too busy at PP just a few miles away where the media was surely to be. The NAF noted the deficiencies at Gosnells clinic, they reported it and they rejected his application. Morally, they were obligated to report to the State, as was Pro Life but legally they were not. The Grand Jury is correct in who is criminally responsible.

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#291555 Apr 1, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>What's that say about the Pro Life groups who were aware of Gosnells clinic long before the NAF was aware?
Do you really think that they wouldn't have said anything of they had known?

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#291556 Apr 1, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>And the NAF did nothing criminal.
They also did nothing to protect the women and children that he was killing.

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#291557 Apr 1, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>Because they were too busy at PP just a few miles away where the media was surely to be. The NAF noted the deficiencies at Gosnells clinic, they reported it and they rejected his application. Morally, they were obligated to report to the State, as was Pro Life but legally they were not. The Grand Jury is correct in who is criminally responsible.
"The NAF noted the deficiencies at Gosnells clinic, they reported it and they rejected his application."

Reported it to who?

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#291558 Apr 1, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>Because they were too busy at PP just a few miles away where the media was surely to be. The NAF noted the deficiencies at Gosnells clinic, they reported it and they rejected his application. Morally, they were obligated to report to the State, as was Pro Life but legally they were not. The Grand Jury is correct in who is criminally responsible.
"The Grand Jury is correct in who is criminally responsible."

If you went to any other clinic and your child's spine was severed, then you found out that there were people who knew about it yet failed to report it, would you consider them "criminally responsible"? If this happened in any other medical setting, they would be.
Forum

Lovington, NM

#291559 Apr 1, 2013
feces for jesus wrote:
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It is unfortunate that your religion has distorted the meaning of the word much. Please stop trying redefine Hebrew, Greek and Norse beliefs.
Gehenna is not your christian lie of hell
Sheol is not your christian lie of hell
Hades is not your christian lie of hell
Tartarus is not your christian lie of hell
Vespers for Sundays
Psalm 112

Raising up the needy from the earth, and lifting
up the poor out of the dunghill; that he may p l a c e
them with princes, with the princes of His people.

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#291560 Apr 2, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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They also did nothing to protect the women and children that he was killing.
Women? Where are you getting your information? One woman died Sue due to medical incompetence in administering anesthesia. I'm not saying a disservice hasn't been done, I'm saying there were alot more powerful people that could have and should have closed him down long before the NAF entered that facility.

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#291561 Apr 2, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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"The NAF noted the deficiencies at Gosnells clinic, they reported it and they rejected his application."
Reported it to who?
Reported the findings to the NAF Sue. They are not federally or state funded which leaves them with no legal obligation to report their findings to the state of PA. Morally, they should have. I would have had it been me. But they are not criminally responsible. Hell Gosnell himself is only being charged with 3rd degree murder for the death of the one woman that state of PA is aware of. God only knows how many others there were. That isn't the fault of the NAF.

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#291562 Apr 2, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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"The Grand Jury is correct in who is criminally responsible."
If you went to any other clinic and your child's spine was severed, then you found out that there were people who knew about it yet failed to report it, would you consider them "criminally responsible"?
If this happened in any other medical setting, they would be.
If this made any sense to me I would attempt a reply.

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#291563 Apr 2, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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I found it interesting that the grand jury didn't mention the NAF at all. Couldn't be bothered with them.
However they DID say this on page 157
"The travesty, from this Grand Jury’s perspective, is that DOH could and should
have closed down Gosnell’s clinic years before. Many, if not all, of the violations cited in
the March 12, 2010, document had been present for nearly two decades. The violations
had been apparent when DOH site-reviewers, including Susan Mitchell and Janice
Staloski, inspected the facility in 1989, 1992, and 1993. Yet it was not until law
enforcement discovered the horrendous conditions inside 3801 Lancaster Avenue that
DOH took action to close the clinic."
Additionally:
THis guy was in business for 30 years, PA is a PL state with some of the most restrictive abortion laws there are yet they failed to be as "tough" and "pro active" when it came to actually inspecting and regulating abortion facilities.
Ocean56

AOL

#291564 Apr 2, 2013
Jesus is Light wrote:
Hush! The tongue of Satan really!! That's primitive talk! We're in the 21 century! Stop making us look like backwards primitives!!!!
Too late. Conservative Christians have looked like backwards primitives for several decades at least. Your so-called "champions," like Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, with their BACKWARD views of women and women's reproductive rights, have lately been very helpful in that respect.
Ocean56

AOL

#291565 Apr 2, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
Meanwhile these people struggle against their own human nature while fearing punishment in a mythical hell.
True. As far as I'M concerned, it's THEIR hell. Let them burn in it.

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#291567 Apr 2, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>Women? Where are you getting your information? One woman died Sue due to medical incompetence in administering anesthesia. I'm not saying a disservice hasn't been done, I'm saying there were alot more powerful people that could have and should have closed him down long before the NAF entered that facility.
Here's a second:

"Semika Shaw was "just coming into her own as a young woman," Davidson said, when she died in 2002 from an infection caused by a botched abortion in Gosnell's West Philadelphia clinic."

http://articles.philly.com/2011-12-16/news/30...

"I'm saying there were alot more powerful people that could have and should have closed him down long before the NAF entered that facility."

I don't disagree, but here's their mission statement:

"The mission of the National Abortion Federation is to ensure safe, legal, and accessible abortion care, which promotes health and justice for women."

http://www.prochoice.org/about_naf/mission.ht...

I guess that they forgot about the safe part.

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#291568 Apr 2, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>If this made any sense to me I would attempt a reply.
OK, bad example. Try this one:

Your sister is planning to use a birthing center. This birthing center had been inspected by the American College of Nurse-Midwives, and they found conditions similar to Gosnell's "clinic"; anesthia being administered by untrained people, dirty conditions, emergency equipment not usable, etc-none of this reported to the proper authorities. Your sister dies and her baby is killed. Do you think that the American College of Nurse-Midwives would be at all responsible?

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#291569 Apr 2, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>THis guy was in business for 30 years, PA is a PL state with some of the most restrictive abortion laws there are yet they failed to be as "tough" and "pro active" when it came to actually inspecting and regulating abortion facilities.
And why was that?

"Instead, the Pennsylvania
Department of Health abruptly decided, for political reasons, to stop inspecting abortion
clinics at all. The politics in question were not anti-abortion, but pro. With the change of
administration from Governor Casey to Governor Ridge, officials concluded that
inspections would be “putting a barrier up to women” seeking abortions. Better to leave
clinics to do as they pleased, even though, as Gosnell proved, that meant both women and babies would pay."

http://www.phila.gov/districtattorney/PDFs/Gr...

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