Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 309876 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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#291537 Apr 1, 2013
Bit-O-Honey wrote:
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Pro-lifers ignored it too dear.
Women choosing to have safe legal abortions is NOT pertinent to you, if its not your pregnancy.
Btw- why did YOU allow Gosnel to murder all those babies anyway?
Happening in her Pro Life state, in her Pro Life world. All this crap about I stand up for the unborn all the while 3rd trimester babies were being illegally aborted while Pro Life was just a few miles away protesting a reputable, safer facility. My guess is, the reason the Army of God and the other pro life group wasn't at Gosnells protesting is because a privately funded facility didn't draw as much media attention compared to a federally funded facility. It's all about the politics man and greasing palms.

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#291538 Apr 1, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>Because there were no filthy conditions. Do you honestly think that an abortion provider is going to allow an inspector into a clinic where there are jars of baby feet, bloody sheets, cats running around and the smell of urine?
The NAF evaluator did not witness filthy conditions. The NAF evaluators are not responsible for routine inspections. They inspect upon application from the provider. The NAF is neither federally funded or state funded. It is not the responsibility of the NAF to report to legislators of their findings. Perhaps it would be if the state had funded abortion care for low income women. But no no, nobody wants their tax dollars providing safe abortion care to poorer women. It was the states responsibility to routinely inspect Gosnells clinic.
I'm thankful that this has come out in the open because according to the Grand Jury report the Dept of Health, Dept of State, and the Dept of Public Health and other Doctors who treated some of his patients for complications are the ones "more culpable" than the NAF.
" WHO COULD HAVE PREVENTED ALL THIS DEATH AND DAMAGE?
Had state and local officials performed their duties properly, Gosnell’s clinic
would have been shut down decades ago. Gosnell would have lost the medical license
that he used to inflict irreparable harm on women; to illegally abort viable, late-term
fetuses; and to kill innumerable babies outside the womb.
Had DOH treated the clinic as the ambulatory surgical facility it was, DOH
inspectors would have assured that the staff were all licensed, that the facility was clean
and sanitary, that anesthesia protocols were followed, and that the building was properly
equipped and could, at least, accommodate stretchers. Failure to comply with these standards would have given cause for DOH to revoke the facility’s license to operate.
If inspectors had looked solely for violations of Pennsylvania’s abortion regulations, there would have been ample grounds to revoke the approval of Gosnell’s clinic as an abortion provider – as was demonstrated when DOH inspectors finally entered the facility in February 2010".
Morally culpable yes, but criminally no, the NAF is not responsible.
"So too with the National Abortion Federation. NAF is an association of abortion providers that upholds the strictest health and legal standards for its members. Gosnell, bizarrely, applied for admission shortly after Karnamaya Mongar's death. Despite his various efforts to fool her, the evaluator from NAF readily noted that records were not properly kept, that risks were not explained, that patients were not monitored, that equipment was not available, that anesthesia was misused. It was the worst abortion clinic she had ever inspected. Of course, she rejected Gosnell's application. She just never told anyone in authority about all the horrible, dangerous things she had seen."

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#291539 Apr 1, 2013
"Despite these efforts, the NAF review did not go well. The first thing the evaluator
noted when she arrived at 3801 Lancaster Avenue was the lack of an effective security
system. Although the door was locked, when she rang the bell, no one answered. Even
though she could not gain entry by ringing, she was able to walk right in when a man
exited the clinic. Once inside, she found that the facility was packed with so much “stuff,
kind of crowded and piled all over the place,” that she couldn’t find a space to put her
small overnight bag. She found the facility’s layout confusing, and was concerned that
patients could not find their way around it or out of it. She was also concerned that there
were plants everywhere, including in the procedure room and rooms designated as “labs.
Most alarming was the bed where Gosnell told her out-of-state patients were allowed to
spend the night. These patients were unattended and it was difficult to locate the
bathroom facilities and the exits. Such a practice does not meet NAF protocols.
The NAF evaluator watched a few first-trimester procedures. She noticed that no
one was monitoring or taking vital signs of patients who were sedated during procedures.
She asked Gosnell about the pulse oximeter that should have been used for monitoring,but he told her it was broken. Apparently, Karnamaya Mongar’s death a month earlier
had not caused Gosnell to obtain equipment that worked.

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#291540 Apr 1, 2013
"The evaluator did note, however, that while she was talking to Gosnell in his
office, a patient appeared to have been sedated by one of the staff. Such an action does
not comport with NAF standards either. The evaluator cautioned Gosnell that he should
make sure he was complying with state requirements because many states – including
Pennsylvania – do not allow unlicensed workers to administer IV medications.
The level of medication administered was also troubling to the evaluator. She
testified that Gosnell’s own description of the effects of his routine second-trimester dose
– that the patient would feel no pain at all – was a description of deep sedation. She
added:“that … would really not be a safe situation … for him to be handling himself.” She explained that when deep sedation or general anesthesia is administered, NAF
standards not only require that the doctor performing the procedure be present when the
anesthesia is administered, they also require that another doctor or an anesthesiologist
administer the sedation and monitor the patient. Instead, Gosnell had Lynda Williams,
Sherry West, and his other unlicensed workers routinely administer anesthesia without
proper supervision or appropriate monitoring of patients.

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#291541 Apr 1, 2013
"Gosnell’s clinic – without the drugs, staff, or equipment necessary to monitor,
resuscitate, or assist his patients in breathing – was not even close to meeting NAF
standards or any other standard of care. The evaluator noted that Pennsylvania requires
that anesthesia be administered only by licensed personnel, a regulation that Gosnell
failed to follow even during the NAF review.
Aside from these life-threatening practices, the evaluator noted numerous
deficiencies in the clinic’s recordkeeping, including no notation of RH blood-typing and
no record of sedation medications administered or the level of sedation. The clinic’s
consent procedures also failed to meet NAF standards. Even with the evaluator watching, patients were not being informed of the risks of the medications, the sedation, or the
procedure itself.
The evaluator testified that during the “counseling” she witnessed, a patient was
told that Pennsylvania requires a 24-hour waiting period between when a patient is
counseled and when the abortion can be performed. After stating the requirement,
however, the counselor, according to the evaluator, said:“Okay, well. When do you want
to come back for the abortion? Do you want to come back at 8 p.m.?” When the patient’s
mother said,“but I thought we had to wait 24 hours,” the staff person responded,“if you
want to come back at 8 p.m., you can come back at 8 p.m.”

http://www.phila.gov/DistrictAttorney/PDFs/Gr...

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#291542 Apr 1, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>Learn more about the role of the NAF.
It appears that they are nothing more than a country club for abortionists. They certainly don't give a damn about women and children.

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#291543 Apr 1, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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shortened for space only!
www.phila.gov/districtattorney/PDFs/GrandJury...
I found it interesting that the grand jury didn't mention the NAF at all. Couldn't be bothered with them.
However they DID say this on page 157
"The travesty, from this Grand Jury’s perspective, is that DOH could and should
have closed down Gosnell’s clinic years before. Many, if not all, of the violations cited in
the March 12, 2010, document had been present for nearly two decades. The violations
had been apparent when DOH site-reviewers, including Susan Mitchell and Janice
Staloski, inspected the facility in 1989, 1992, and 1993. Yet it was not until law
enforcement discovered the horrendous conditions inside 3801 Lancaster Avenue that
DOH took action to close the clinic."
Additionally:

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#291544 Apr 1, 2013
"The Department of Health was not the only state agency that could and should
have shut down Gosnell decades ago. The State Board of Medicine (the Board) is one of
29 boards overseen by the Department of State’s Bureau of Professional and
Occupational Affairs. The Board’s attorneys had ample notice of Gosnell’s illegal and
reckless abortion practices, and of the damage he had done to patients. Eight years before
Karnamaya Mongar died, a former Gosnell employee told the Department of State about
the illegal practice that resulted in Mrs. Mongar’s death: Gosnell had unlicensed workers
anesthetizing patients when he was not at the clinic. Yet, despite receiving that report
and several other serious complaints over the years, the Board took no action to suspend
or revoke his license.
Attorneys for Pennsylvania’s Department of State disregarded notices that
numerous patients of Gosnell were hospitalized – infected, with fetal remains still inside
them; and with perforated uteruses, cervixes, and bowels. Incredibly, in 2004, Department of State attorneys closed – without investigation – a case reported to the
Board involving the death of 22-year-old Semika Shaw.
Between 2002 and 2009, Board of Medicine attorneys reviewed five cases
involving malpractice and other complaints against Gosnell.(The Grand Jury also
received records of three older complaints – from 1983, 1990, and 1992 – one of which
resulted in a reprimand.) None of the assigned attorneys, or their supervisors, suggested
that the Board take action against the deviant doctor. In fact, despite serious allegations,
three of the cases were closed without any investigation. The other two were investigated
and then closed – without any action being taken."
In all this inaction, one failure to investigate stands out. On October 9, 2002, the
Professional Underwriters Liability Insurance Company reported to the State Board of
Medicine that it had paid a $400,000 settlement to the family of Semika Shaw, the 22-
year-old mother of two who died following an abortion procedure at Gosnell’s clinic in
March 2000.(In January 2003, the Pennsylvania Medical Professional Liability
Catastrophe Loss Fund reported to the Department of State that it had paid an additional
$500,000 toward a $900,000 award to the family.) The October 9 report is logged in as
“received” by the Department of State’s “Complaints Office” on December 6, 2002. The
file turned over to the Grand Jury shows no further activity until over a year later –
January 2, 2004 – when a one-page printout of Gosnell’s license information is stamped
“received” by the complaints office.
"THE PHILADEPHIA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH ALSO IGNORED
ALARMING WARNINGS ABOUT GOSNELL’S PRACTICE."
"Supervisors in the Division of Disease Control ignored a nurse’s disturbing report
about conditions in Gosnell’s clinic in 2008 and 2009."
"The Philadelphia Health Department’s Environmental Engineering Section failed to
follow through after receiving a complaint in 2003 about aborted fetuses stored in
an employee refrigerator."

State agency after state agency failed the public. To hell with the NAF, even if they HAD reported him, the state would have ignored it, just like they ignored every other complaint for 20 years.

Sounds to me like people were being paid off to look the other way maybe.

I'll go back and read today's stuff tomorrow. Nite!

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#291545 Apr 1, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>Happening in her Pro Life state, in her Pro Life world. All this crap about I stand up for the unborn all the while 3rd trimester babies were being illegally aborted while Pro Life was just a few miles away protesting a reputable, safer facility. My guess is, the reason the Army of God and the other pro life group wasn't at Gosnells protesting is because a privately funded facility didn't draw as much media attention compared to a federally funded facility. It's all about the politics man and greasing palms.
"All this crap about I stand up for the unborn all the while 3rd trimester babies were being illegally aborted while Pro Life was just a few miles"

They didn't know what was happening in Gosnell's "clinic", but the National Abortion Federation did.

"It's all about the politics man and greasing palms."

Yup, that's exactly true about the National Abortion Federation.
feces for jesus

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#291546 Apr 1, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
Who cares? Everyone can have their own hell and call it what they want.
I guess accuracy, history and truth are not important to your religion. You can call it whatever you want; just know that you're mistaken.

Of course, when its your religion and your precious beliefs or traditions that are distorted, you'll care.
feces for jesus

Bellmore, NY

#291547 Apr 1, 2013
worships reality wrote:
<quoted text>
most christians, including jonnycakes, are full of you.
oo-gaa !!!
You're just like them; full of feces for jesus.

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#291548 Apr 1, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>
I found it interesting that the grand jury didn't mention the NAF at all. Couldn't be bothered with them.
However they DID say this on page 157
"The travesty, from this Grand Jury’s perspective, is that DOH could and should
have closed down Gosnell’s clinic years before. Many, if not all, of the violations cited in
the March 12, 2010, document had been present for nearly two decades. The violations
had been apparent when DOH site-reviewers, including Susan Mitchell and Janice
Staloski, inspected the facility in 1989, 1992, and 1993. Yet it was not until law
enforcement discovered the horrendous conditions inside 3801 Lancaster Avenue that
DOH took action to close the clinic."
Additionally:
I printed several pages from the Grand Jury report.
feces for jesus

Bellmore, NY

#291549 Apr 1, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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Abortion should be illegal because it kills a human life.
Not every pregnancy comes to term. If you choose to word it like that, know that a spontaneous abortion would be included as well.

Thankfully, your point of view does not dictate the law.

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#291550 Apr 1, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
"The Department of Health was not the only state agency that could and should
have shut down Gosnell decades ago. The State Board of Medicine (the Board) is one of
29 boards overseen by the Department of State’s Bureau of Professional and
Occupational Affairs. The Board’s attorneys had ample notice of Gosnell’s illegal and
reckless abortion practices, and of the damage he had done to patients. Eight years before
Karnamaya Mongar died, a former Gosnell employee told the Department of State about
the illegal practice that resulted in Mrs. Mongar’s death: Gosnell had unlicensed workers
anesthetizing patients when he was not at the clinic. Yet, despite receiving that report
and several other serious complaints over the years, the Board took no action to suspend
or revoke his license.
Attorneys for Pennsylvania’s Department of State disregarded notices that
numerous patients of Gosnell were hospitalized – infected, with fetal remains still inside
them; and with perforated uteruses, cervixes, and bowels. Incredibly, in 2004, Department of State attorneys closed – without investigation – a case reported to the
Board involving the death of 22-year-old Semika Shaw.
Between 2002 and 2009, Board of Medicine attorneys reviewed five cases
involving malpractice and other complaints against Gosnell.(The Grand Jury also
received records of three older complaints – from 1983, 1990, and 1992 – one of which
resulted in a reprimand.) None of the assigned attorneys, or their supervisors, suggested
that the Board take action against the deviant doctor. In fact, despite serious allegations,
three of the cases were closed without any investigation. The other two were investigated
and then closed – without any action being taken."
In all this inaction, one failure to investigate stands out. On October 9, 2002, the
Professional Underwriters Liability Insurance Company reported to the State Board of
Medicine that it had paid a $400,000 settlement to the family of Semika Shaw, the 22-
year-old mother of two who died following an abortion procedure at Gosnell’s clinic in
March 2000.(In January 2003, the Pennsylvania Medical Professional Liability
Catastrophe Loss Fund reported to the Department of State that it had paid an additional
$500,000 toward a $900,000 award to the family.) The October 9 report is logged in as
“received” by the Department of State’s “Complaints Office” on December 6, 2002. The
file turned over to the Grand Jury shows no further activity until over a year later –
January 2, 2004 – when a one-page printout of Gosnell’s license information is stamped
“received” by the complaints office.
"THE PHILADEPHIA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH ALSO IGNORED
ALARMING WARNINGS ABOUT GOSNELL’S PRACTICE."
"Supervisors in the Division of Disease Control ignored a nurse’s disturbing report
about conditions in Gosnell’s clinic in 2008 and 2009."
"The Philadelphia Health Department’s Environmental Engineering Section failed to
follow through after receiving a complaint in 2003 about aborted fetuses stored in
an employee refrigerator."
State agency after state agency failed the public. To hell with the NAF, even if they HAD reported him, the state would have ignored it, just like they ignored every other complaint for 20 years.
Sounds to me like people were being paid off to look the other way maybe.
I'll go back and read today's stuff tomorrow. Nite!
There's no question that the Dept of Health, who failed to inspect Gosnell's "clinic" under the direction of pro"choice" Governor Ridge, is ultimately responsible for allowing this to continue. But the NAF has blood on their hands as well. Maybe nothing would have been done, but they should have at least informend them of what they found. Maybe, a report from a pro"choice" organization more seriously than a report from a bunch of anti-choicer's. My point is that they didn't care enough about women to even try.

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#291551 Apr 1, 2013
feces for jesus wrote:
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Not every pregnancy comes to term. If you choose to word it like that, know that a spontaneous abortion would be included as well.
Thankfully, your point of view does not dictate the law.


A spontanious abortion isn't a deliberate act. Thankfully we live in a country where we can work to change laws.

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#291552 Apr 1, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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It appears that they are nothing more than a country club for abortionists. They certainly don't give a damn about women and children.
What's that say about the Pro Life groups who were aware of Gosnells clinic long before the NAF was aware?

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#291553 Apr 1, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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I printed several pages from the Grand Jury report.
And the NAF did nothing criminal.

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#291554 Apr 1, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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"All this crap about I stand up for the unborn all the while 3rd trimester babies were being illegally aborted while Pro Life was just a few miles"
They didn't know what was happening in Gosnell's "clinic", but the National Abortion Federation did.
"It's all about the politics man and greasing palms."
Yup, that's exactly true about the National Abortion Federation.
Because they were too busy at PP just a few miles away where the media was surely to be. The NAF noted the deficiencies at Gosnells clinic, they reported it and they rejected his application. Morally, they were obligated to report to the State, as was Pro Life but legally they were not. The Grand Jury is correct in who is criminally responsible.

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#291555 Apr 1, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>What's that say about the Pro Life groups who were aware of Gosnells clinic long before the NAF was aware?
Do you really think that they wouldn't have said anything of they had known?

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#291556 Apr 1, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>And the NAF did nothing criminal.
They also did nothing to protect the women and children that he was killing.

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