Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 311493 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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#286199 Feb 24, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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I only have a few minutes, so I'll address the second part of your post.
A girl can't get Tylenol from the school nurse without her parents ok, and she can't go to the dentist with out her parents permission, or sign for any other medical procedure. Why should she abortion be the only medical procedure that she can obtain without her parents knowledge?
I have to admit I'm torn about this Sue. I think we've talked about this before, but maybe we havent.

I understand in theory why these kinds of laws were passed - whene this first came up in the courts it was most often because of girls who were raped, victims of incest - who's perpetuators wanted to keep it quiet - or by religous extremist parents. Today, 35 states require some kind of parental involvement - usually notification - but doesn't involve their consent.

I almost think in some ways, that's a better question - parental notification is about state's rights, while abortion as it stands is about FEDERAL rights.
Guppy

Bloomfield Hills, MI

#286200 Feb 24, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
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Abby Johnson, the former director of Planned Parenthood in Bryan, Texas, became a pro-life activist when she realized this was not true.
"I actually saw an ultrasound-guided abortion procedure, which is not very common in large abortion facilities like Planned Parenthood. They're a more lengthy procedure. But I did actually get to see an ultrasound-guided procedure, and what I saw on the screen was a 13-week baby fighting for its life."
How does a 13 week old baby fight for its life? Serious question.

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#286201 Feb 24, 2013
Susanm wrote:
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And even tho the NAF inspected his "clinic" and saw that there was he was operating outside the law, they chose to ignore it and let women and babies die.
http://www.phila.gov/districtattorney/PDFs/Gr...
Agreed. But that's not what was being discussed. Some were trying to compare the legal, safe and transparent practice of the murdered Dr Tiller, to the illegal, unsave "practice" of the murderer Gosnell.

“Blessed Be”

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#286202 Feb 24, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
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You are right. However, the 30 charges against Tiller filed in 2006 all involved "late-term" abortions meaning all 30 fetuses were viable. Some were performed on girls between the ages of 12 14 and 16, a few even younger, and not reporting it to the authorities.
http://www.kfl.org/SiteResources/Data/Templat...
Our discussion was about "partial birth abortion", not late term abortion.

He was charged. Was he convicted?

And no, a fetus at the gestational age of 22 weeks is not "viable". It has a 50% chance of surviving, and only with medical intervention. So your statement that they were "all" viable, is incorrect. They MAY have been viable.

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#286203 Feb 24, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
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The district attorney, Nola Foulston, supported Tiller's abortions. She refused to prosecute Tiller in her jurisdiction resulting in a judge dismissing charges.
That doesn't mean he was innocent.
There were 30 charges against Tiller based on findings of "probable cause" that crimes had been committed issued by Judge Richard Anderson of Topeka. They were backed up by an expert witness, Dr. Paul McHugh, Head of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins for 25 years. He saw the records saying none showed evidence of meeting criteria of Kansas law under the ban on aborting viable unborn babies.
Your interpreting facts to meet your beliefs.
And you are MISinterpreting facts to meet your beliefs.

McHugh is a well known Catholic anti-choicer - who's presented his contraversal OPINIONS on issues like this at the invitation of other anti-choice groups. He was paid over $5000 for speaking in this case alone.

In THIS case, he did NOT speak to any patients directly, he did NOT have complete psychiatric or medical records, he had only fragmented anonymous peices of records.

In FACT, he got in some trouble for revealing publically what he DID see. He backed OFF of his claims when he found out he would be sued for violating HIPAA.

THOSE are facts dear. He was paid for his "opinions" and walked away when he found out he would be sued.
SapphireBlue

Orlando, FL

#286204 Feb 24, 2013
A little off the subject, but this is why the liberal ideology is so disappointing starting at the top.

Unwilling to acknowledge the government has a spending problem over the last five years and that tax revenues are short because his policies have instigated the weakest recovery since the Great Depression, President Obama is threatening draconian measures if Republicans don’t agree to more taxes.

All of our taxes went up January 1. How much more does this government think we can give when they just keep spending/"investing" ?

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#286205 Feb 24, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
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Watch the video, Silent Scream, the abortion of a 3-month-old fetus. If you can. Then decide if the unborn have a choice before calling me stupid.
I have watched it. Laughed through the whole thing. It was a great example of really bad abortion porn,

Zygotes, embryo's an fetus's dont get choices dear. THey cant MAKE choices dear.

Yes, if you think so, you are BEYOND STUPID.

“Blessed Be”

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#286206 Feb 24, 2013
Guppy wrote:
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I think the question was - do you tell the truth, Bitter?
Ah, now you're deflecting. No surprise.

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#286207 Feb 24, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Our discussion was about "partial birth abortion", not late term abortion.
He was charged. Was he convicted?.
Nope. The charges were dropped.

This is a wonderful site telling the stories of many of Dr Tillers patients in the voices of the patients themselves, not the idiots who try to twist or ignore their testimony.

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#286208 Feb 24, 2013
Whoops, forgot the link:

http://www.aheartbreakingchoice.com/
sickofit

Owatonna, MN

#286209 Feb 24, 2013
I have an idea. How about everyone control there own body and personal life...YOU KNOW LIKE CONSTITUTION PROMISES US....
SapphireBlue

Orlando, FL

#286210 Feb 24, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Our discussion was about "partial birth abortion", not late term abortion.
He was charged. Was he convicted?
And no, a fetus at the gestational age of 22 weeks is not "viable". It has a 50% chance of surviving, and only with medical intervention. So your statement that they were "all" viable, is incorrect. They MAY have been viable.
Can you look at this 22-week-old fetus and say it really matters if it's viable at 22 weeks or 24 weeks?

http://baby2see.com/development/week22.html

At 22 weeks' gestation:
~The fetus reacts to loud sounds.
~Baby starts having a regular sleeping and waking rhythm.
~The mother's movements can wake her baby.
~Taste buds are forming on your baby's tongue.
~~The eyebrows and eyelids are fully developed and the fingernails cover the fingertips.
~Sounds from a conversation are loud enough to be heard by the fetus in the uterus. If you talk, read or sing to your baby, it's reasonable to expect him or her to be able to hear you.
~Baby's pancreas (a super-duper organ that produces hormones and aids in digestion) is now making its own hormones for your baby's body and brain.
~Baby is actively feeling out its surroundings of skin, body parts and the umbilical cord being sensory experiences.

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#286211 Feb 24, 2013
Guppy wrote:
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How does a 13 week old baby fight for its life? Serious question.
It doesn't. That's simply the emotional rhetoric of the anti-choice crowd. The "Abby Johnson" she mentions was proven to be a liar when she claimed that as an administrator (she was NOT a nurse) that she sat in on an ultrasound abortion, in a facility that didn't DO ultrasound abortions.

Cute trick huh?

And isn't it interesting she had been written up and was about to be fired when she suddenly had this miraculous "conversion", just before she quit and was hired by Americans United for Life as its Senior Policy Advisor?

Hell, much like with the RCC, these "leaders" of the extremist PL movement aren't stupid - they know they can feed whatever pablum they want to the ones that ARE stupid - the fools like Sapphireblue, who need NO proof (preaching to the converted as it were) as long as what they say fits into their agendas.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#286212 Feb 24, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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You're a moron Inkstain.
Gosnell is in jail for murder. He will stay there. Tiller, when ANY charges were leveled by idiots like you that went fishing, was cleared.
Gosnell was a murderer and a drug dealer. You are an idiot. You're much more like Tiller than you want to think.
Exactly, he wasn't charged with illegal abortions as Bitner thinks. He was doing the same job as Tiller.

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#286213 Feb 24, 2013
Guppy wrote:
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What exactly is a 'asshat?'
Substitute "hole" for "Hat" for the censors.

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#286214 Feb 24, 2013
SapphireBlue wrote:
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You said it yourself, "as far as I'm concerned". But you cannot prove God doesn't exist.
And you can't prove he does.

Carry on.
SapphireBlue

Orlando, FL

#286215 Feb 24, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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Nope. The charges were dropped.
This is a wonderful site telling the stories of many of Dr Tillers patients in the voices of the patients themselves, not the idiots who try to twist or ignore their testimony.
They weren't dropped. The district attorney wouldn't try Tiller in her jurisdiction. She supported him and late-term abortions, so the judge had no choice but to "dismiss" the case based on this development.

It does not mean he was innocent. Tiller was just lucky the district attorney was on his side.

Ironically, his killer admitted the only reason he killed him was because he wasn't tried. If the district attorney had done her job, Tiller would still be alive today.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#286216 Feb 24, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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My Jewish religion is for women making their OWN choices.
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I support the choice of women to make their OWN choices.
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Yes I do. I have escorted women to help protect them from idiots like you. That is NOT supporting the choice they've made, its ensuring that they can carry out their choice without being harassed by fools.
Please post something from an orhtodox Jewish site that condones a woman aborting her baby
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#286218 Feb 24, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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Agreed. But that's not what was being discussed. Some were trying to compare the legal, safe and transparent practice of the murdered Dr Tiller, to the illegal, unsave "practice" of the murderer Gosnell.
We know for a fact that LTAs produced babies born alive. What do you suppose Tiller did with them?
No Relativism

Chicago, IL

#286220 Feb 24, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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Still makes no sense. You're comparing an adult woman to a fetus at 14 weeks gestation? A fetus that has approximately 26 more weeks to develop before being born? Maybe you should put the bottle away for awhile.
I'm comparing two human beings who are "normal" for their respective stages of human life.

After Katie goes through menopause, she will remain normal based on her stage of human life. A preborn baby is also normal for his/her stage of human life.

If it is okay for you to intentionally kill a preborn baby b/c s/he is "different" at that respective stage of human life, then you must see post-menopausal Katie as "lacking" post-menopausally. If you are consistent in your human-life stage bias, you would see post-menopausal Katie as subhuman. You'd also consider grumpy & his impotence as subhuman....i.e., not worthy of life.

Are you admitting that you are "selectively" discriminatory? Where is your consistency? A human-life stage is a human-life stage. Why do you use random demarcations along others' human life spectrums to decide whose life is not worth living?

You're a hypocrite for convenience. Your random classification scheme AGAINST the right of preborn babies to life is nothing more than discrimination - to death.

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