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Opinion

Hot Springs, SD

#13794 Dec 28, 2013
DILLIGAF wrote:
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After posting the last post, I thought about what I posted and perhaps I made a mistake, and as a man who will take responsibility for my words and actions, I will apologize, as we both share the same disdain for the guy in the WH, I have been going through a hell of a lot in the last few months with my wife, which was posted here on this thread, and maybe I am a bit touchy, and short tempered, so please accept my apology.
If I could, I would buy you the second cup of coffee this morning. Takes a man to be a man when stepping up.
time to get serious

Riverhead, NY

#13795 Dec 28, 2013
Opinion wrote:
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The question then becomes how to make people responsible and get the best bang for the dollar. A Single Payer System best meets that purpose as everyone can be forced to pay through a multitude of ways.
Oops!, "Opinion". Your red banner is waving.

"..FORCED to pay through a MULTITUDE of ways.."??????

Who thinks up multiple ways to FORCE free citizens to do things??

Back to the Constitution........and read the 9th and 10th Amendments. Or don't those apply any longer?

If it's not specifically mentioned in the Constitution you and Ole' Jug Ears don't have the right to force it on anyone. Agreed???
Opinion

Hot Springs, SD

#13796 Dec 28, 2013
time to get serious wrote:
<quoted text>
Oops!, "Opinion". Your red banner is waving.
"..FORCED to pay through a MULTITUDE of ways.."??????
Who thinks up multiple ways to FORCE free citizens to do things??
Back to the Constitution........and read the 9th and 10th Amendments. Or don't those apply any longer?
If it's not specifically mentioned in the Constitution you and Ole' Jug Ears don't have the right to force it on anyone. Agreed???
Lets not be silly. We pay a multitude of taxes many different ways. Fees, licenses, sales tax, income tax, toll tax, and likely many more.

If we went to a Single Payer System the system would be set up and paid for by using a multitude of taxation methods in an attempt to let everyone help pay for the system.

You are forced right now to pay a multitude of taxes many different ways to fund everything the government does from the local city government -- State government -- to Federal Government.

Get used to the idea as it's not going away. Locally I am forced to pay property taxes and a local sales tax. My dog is required to pay a tax in the form of a dog license. If I what to drive a car I pay a tax in the price of gas and license plates. I pay a tax to get rid of old tires.
Opinion

Hot Springs, SD

#13798 Dec 28, 2013
time to get serious wrote:
<quoted text>
Oops!, "Opinion". Your red banner is waving.
"..FORCED to pay through a MULTITUDE of ways.."??????
Who thinks up multiple ways to FORCE free citizens to do things??
Back to the Constitution........and read the 9th and 10th Amendments. Or don't those apply any longer?
If it's not specifically mentioned in the Constitution you and Ole' Jug Ears don't have the right to force it on anyone. Agreed???
I might add that you were "forced" to pay into the Social Security Retirement and Disability Insurance Act. If you're self-employed or work for a private company, you must pay into Social Security. There is only a very few exemptions.

Also take note of the part about Social Security also being a government run insurance program. Note the last two words of the name of the act:
Social Security's Old-Age, Survivors and "Disability Insurance"
DILLIGAF

New York, NY

#13799 Dec 28, 2013
Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
If I could, I would buy you the second cup of coffee this morning. Takes a man to be a man when stepping up.
Although You, and I do not, and perhaps never will see eye to eye on politics, I have come to respect your opinions, and postings because you fervently believe what you post, and thanks for the 2nd cup of coffee.
DILLIGAF

New York, NY

#13800 Dec 28, 2013
Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Lets not be silly. We pay a multitude of taxes many different ways. Fees, licenses, sales tax, income tax, toll tax, and likely many more.
If we went to a Single Payer System the system would be set up and paid for by using a multitude of taxation methods in an attempt to let everyone help pay for the system.
You are forced right now to pay a multitude of taxes many different ways to fund everything the government does from the local city government -- State government -- to Federal Government.
Get used to the idea as it's not going away. Locally I am forced to pay property taxes and a local sales tax. My dog is required to pay a tax in the form of a dog license. If I what to drive a car I pay a tax in the price of gas and license plates. I pay a tax to get rid of old tires.
Scroll down for a [partial] list of the taxes we pay, whew, too many...

http://www.nowandfutures.com/taxes.html
Bloody Bill Anderson

Princeton, KY

#13801 Dec 29, 2013
Opinion wrote:
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When did I tell you how I signed up for Obamacare? I don't remember ever saying that.
When did I say that the national website had no glitches at all? I don't remember ever saying that either.
What I did say was that the website glitches are not a fundamental problem with Obamacare as to whether it will work or not. The website can be fixed.
I have also said that if there is a problem with the ACA (Obamacare) then both Democrats and Republican should quit playing politics and fix it. We elected them to govern not to play games or do nothing.
I have stated that I was involved with a nation wide group plan and learned a lot about insurance companies and passed on costs. In addition I was were I could see the employer wanting out of the whole issue do to rising costs.
I have had insurance all my life and am on Medicare which I pay a monthly premium for. I also purchase a supplemental policy on the private market.
If I needed to purchase healthcare insurance I would head straight to the federal website and purchase a plan that best fit my needs. I would not be entitled to any governmental help.
I have stated that I would have preferred a not for profit Single Payer System for all emergency and necessary health care. If not that then a Public Option similar to Medicare.
As a conservative I believe that people should be responsible for their healthcare costs and if they can be responsible to do so rather than passing costs on. The question then becomes how to make people responsible and get the best bang for the dollar. A Single Payer System best meets that purpose as everyone can be forced to pay through a multitude of ways.
A conservative applies what is know as a "Reasonable Man Approach to a Issue" or the best bang for the buck theory. What is needed to solve a problem and how to accomplish the best solution to the problem with the most economic manner in regards to costs. One looks for the best economic solution that best solves the problem.
The problem with this is that in politics people are far more interested in playing politics than solving a problem in the most reasonable and most economic way. Insurance companies have a vested self interest. Politicians that are funded by insurance companies have a self serving interest. A reasonable man approach has to solve the problem without a self interest involved other than solving the known problem the best that it can be in relationship to costs.
Whether or not you can "head to the federal website and buy insurance" depends on what state you live in. A few states set up their own exchanges. Kentucky's is supposed to be the "Gold Standard" but unless you are going on Medicaid it is virtually useless. There is only one vendor that sells 3 policies. That's all. So there is really no coverage to shop from. It is take it or leave it. So far 80 percent of those in this state who have signed up have gone on Medicaid. Everybody else is left with no choice but to do without insurance and pay the fine.

And the backlash is gathering steam. People are so pissed off that they will vote for anybody who runs on an "I will repeal Obamacare" campaign promise, no matter what else he or she is for or against.

It will be so bad by 2016 that the Republicans will win both houses of Congress and the White House. Then it is going to be slash and burn style budget cutting and regulatory rollback.
Opinion

Hot Springs, SD

#13802 Dec 29, 2013
DILLIGAF wrote:
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Scroll down for a [partial] list of the taxes we pay, whew, too many...
http://www.nowandfutures.com/taxes.html
Interesting site. I fully agree that we pay too much in taxes. As I have stated I am a conservative. If I have to band together with other people through government to fund something be it a army, a road, a public school system, a municipal sewer system or any of the multitude of government projects,---- first it needs to be a needed project and second I want the best bang for the buck spent.

I first look to see if the public need is there and if funding it through taxes is the best option. Next in determining the best extent of the spending of (our) taxes best solve the problem or reach the reasonable result with the least amount of money spent. Build and fund what we need to fit the bill. Apply what is known as the economic reasonable man’s solution. I’m all for building a public road but not a paved four lane where only a gravel road is justified

There is clearly government spending that I do not agree with in regards to the purpose and there is government spending on things that I believe is excessive for the results. Professional sports arenas are one. Being the world’s police force is another. Welfare be it individual, farmer or corporate would be looked at very closely. Foreign Aid would be another area of concern. Lack of total government oversight amazes me within this country and if the money can be spent outside of the USA then it really disappears.
http://www.stripes.com/blogs/stripes-central/...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-6b-missing...

When it comes to healthcare I realize that we as a nation are not going to let people die laying in sick in the streets. Unpaid costs will be passed on somehow someway to those who can pay. Those passed on cost come at us many different ways some included in taxes. Insurance companies were raking at least 30% as "profits". They produce nothing and act only as the bag man who holds your money in a pool. You would not pay your bank 30% of your checking account balance or your savings account balance to hold your money, so why have insurance companies in the game.

There is a total amount of money paid across the country into total healthcare cost. If one could figure out a way to pay that total costs for healthcare differently plus recapture part of the 30% insurance company rake, you might be able to lower the total costs for those who now pay, and succeed in getting people who now don’t pay to help foot the total bill.
Most developed countries have moved to a Single Payer System because it is the most economical way to fund total healthcare costs. Present ways we are now paying the total bill are eliminated and a new method is set up that provides healthcare and everyone gets to help foot the bill a new way.

It gives the country as a whole the best bang for the buck spent and solves the problem of providing healthcare to everyone at the lowest costs.
Bloody Bill Anderson

Princeton, KY

#13804 Dec 29, 2013
Contrary to the damned Socialists' arguments, health care is NOT a "fundamental human right."

America was founded on the principle of liberty, meaning equality before the law and an equal opportunity to compete in the free market for wealth, goods, and services, not on the egalitarian principles of Socialism.
Opinion

Hot Springs, SD

#13805 Dec 29, 2013
Bloody Bill Anderson wrote:
Contrary to the damned Socialists' arguments, health care is NOT a "fundamental human right."
America was founded on the principle of liberty, meaning equality before the law and an equal opportunity to compete in the free market for wealth, goods, and services, not on the egalitarian principles of Socialism.
I would agree that health care is not exactly a “fundamental human right" under the Constitution. Fundamental rights under constitution are a generally regarded set of legal protections along with the Bill of Rights. These fundamental rights are frequently also termed "God-given rights", "human rights" or "natural rights" that existed before government and were given to each of us by the creator.
We as humans have human rights. The concept of a right to health has been enumerated in international agreements which include the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. Thus they become legal rights. If a bus load of illegals got in a wreck all 25 of them by law are entitled to emergency healthcare. If they walk away from the bill then someone is going to pay. If a citizen requires emergency healthcare by law they get it and can walk away from the bill. Those unpaid bills are passed on to those of us who can pay. I want to make those who could pay but don’t pay something and a Single Payer System is the best option.
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
A human right to health means that everyone has the right to the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health, which includes access to all medical services, sanitation, adequate food, decent housing, healthy working conditions, and a clean environment. The human right to health guarantees a system of health protection for all. Everyone has the right to the health care they need, and to living conditions that enable us to be healthy, such as adequate food, housing, and a healthy environment. Health care must be provided as a public good for all, financed publicly and equitably. The human right to health care means that hospitals, clinics, medicines, and doctors’ services must be accessible, available, acceptable, and of good quality for everyone, on an equitable basis, where and when needed. The design of a health care system must be guided by the following key human rights standard –
http://www.nesri.org/programs/what-is-the-hum...
The Human Right to Health is protected in:
• Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
• Article 12 of the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
• Article 24 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child
• Article 5 of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
• Articles 12 & 14 of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women
• Article XI (11) of the American Declaration on Rights and Duties of Man
• Article 25 of the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities
- See more at: http://www.nesri.org/programs/what-is-the-hum...
Opinion

Hot Springs, SD

#13806 Dec 29, 2013
Bloody Bill Anderson wrote:
Contrary to the damned Socialists' arguments, health care is NOT a "fundamental human right."
America was founded on the principle of liberty, meaning equality before the law and an equal opportunity to compete in the free market for wealth, goods, and services, not on the egalitarian principles of Socialism.
There is "Bill" another small issue regarding healthcare for all that each of us has to consider.

The right always likes to get God or religion into government issues. So lets look at that.

America was founded on many Christian values but with a constitution which allowed for freedom of religion. But the truth is America was founded as a “secular nation” as many of the founding fathers were Christian but more were deists, atheists and agnostics.
But there is no question that the moral system in our country is greatly Judeo Christian based.
In Christian teaching, worship is not limited to Sundays and other important days. All of life should be the worship of God, expressed not only in ritual and prayer, but in how a Christian lives. The Christian is transformed the highest expression of that transformation is found in acts of love toward others, or love of neighbor.
Thus there is only a limited of ways one can look at providing healthcare.
A. If one believes that American is a Christian nation based on Christian moral values then healthcare of others is a desired and mandated thing.
B. If one believes as I do that America is a secular nation where religious freedom of many religious or secular beliefs is allowed it still becomes a requirement by other major religions including the Jewish and Muslim faiths to provide healthcare.
C. But if one has no moral beliefs either religious or self-created moral values towards ones fellow human then I would accept that one has no moral reason to believe in healthcare for ones fellow man. As the cheering Republicans audience at the debates cried out “Yea, let them die”.

For me that is not a Christian position for so call Republican Christians to be taking.



Being a Christian should not just apply when one claims that "God told them to run for President". I would judge them not by what they are saying but how they live their lives in dealing with their fellow humans.

ps: I don't believe for one minute that God told any of them anything or gave his approval for them to run for President. I think God lets us have free will to say anything and believe anything we are stupid enough to say or believe. If we are dumb enough to believe it and vote for them based on their claimed revelation from God, then we get the nuts we deserve.

As a man from the west I judge people on how they live their lives and treat their fellow man.
Bloody Bill Anderson

Princeton, KY

#13807 Dec 29, 2013
"A human right to health means that everyone has the right to the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health, which includes access to all medical services, sanitation, adequate food, decent housing, healthy working conditions, and a clean environment. The human right to health guarantees a system of health protection for all. Everyone has the right to the health care they need, and to living conditions that enable us to be healthy, such as adequate food, housing, and a healthy environment. Health care must be provided as a public good for all, financed publicly and equitably. The human right to health care means that hospitals, clinics, medicines, and doctors’ services must be accessible, available, acceptable, and of good quality for everyone, on an equitable basis, where and when needed. The design of a health care system must be guided by the following key human rights standard – "

This statement is completely FALSE. Liberty in the American sense means that all people are free to compete in a free and open market for those things.

"The Human Right to Health is protected in:
• Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
• Article 12 of the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
• Article 24 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child
• Article 5 of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
• Articles 12 & 14 of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women
• Article XI (11) of the American Declaration on Rights and Duties of Man
• Article 25 of the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities"

NONE of these things are in accord with Liberty in the long accepted American sense. They are damned SOCIALISM pure and simple.
Bloody Bill Anderson

Princeton, KY

#13808 Dec 29, 2013
Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
There is "Bill" another small issue regarding healthcare for all that each of us has to consider.
The right always likes to get God or religion into government issues. So lets look at that.
America was founded on many Christian values but with a constitution which allowed for freedom of religion. But the truth is America was founded as a “secular nation” as many of the founding fathers were Christian but more were deists, atheists and agnostics.
But there is no question that the moral system in our country is greatly Judeo Christian based.
In Christian teaching, worship is not limited to Sundays and other important days. All of life should be the worship of God, expressed not only in ritual and prayer, but in how a Christian lives. The Christian is transformed the highest expression of that transformation is found in acts of love toward others, or love of neighbor.
Thus there is only a limited of ways one can look at providing healthcare.
A. If one believes that American is a Christian nation based on Christian moral values then healthcare of others is a desired and mandated thing.
B. If one believes as I do that America is a secular nation where religious freedom of many religious or secular beliefs is allowed it still becomes a requirement by other major religions including the Jewish and Muslim faiths to provide healthcare.
C. But if one has no moral beliefs either religious or self-created moral values towards ones fellow human then I would accept that one has no moral reason to believe in healthcare for ones fellow man. As the cheering Republicans audience at the debates cried out “Yea, let them die”.
For me that is not a Christian position for so call Republican Christians to be taking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =PepQF7G-It0XX
Being a Christian should not just apply when one claims that "God told them to run for President". I would judge them not by what they are saying but how they live their lives in dealing with their fellow humans.
ps: I don't believe for one minute that God told any of them anything or gave his approval for them to run for President. I think God lets us have free will to say anything and believe anything we are stupid enough to say or believe. If we are dumb enough to believe it and vote for them based on their claimed revelation from God, then we get the nuts we deserve.
As a man from the west I judge people on how they live their lives and treat their fellow man.
I never mentioned religion, one way or the other. Your bringing it up is a pure old fashioned Socialist tactic of diversion.
Bloody Bill Anderson

Princeton, KY

#13809 Dec 29, 2013
Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
We as humans have human rights. The concept of a right to health has been enumerated in international agreements which include the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. Thus they become legal rights. If a bus load of illegals got in a wreck all 25 of them by law are entitled to emergency healthcare. If they walk away from the bill then someone is going to pay. If a citizen requires emergency healthcare by law they get it and can walk away from the bill. Those unpaid bills are passed on to those of us who can pay. I want to make those who could pay but don’t pay something and a Single Payer System is the best option.
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
A human right to health means that everyone has the right to the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health, which includes access to all medical services, sanitation, adequate food, decent housing, healthy working conditions, and a clean environment. The human right to health guarantees a system of health protection for all. Everyone has the right to the health care they need, and to living conditions that enable us to be healthy, such as adequate food, housing, and a healthy environment. Health care must be provided as a public good for all, financed publicly and equitably. The human right to health care means that hospitals, clinics, medicines, and doctors’ services must be accessible, available, acceptable, and of good quality for everyone, on an equitable basis, where and when needed. The design of a health care system must be guided by the following key human rights standard –
http://www.nesri.org/programs/what-is-the-hum...
The Human Right to Health is protected in:
• Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
• Article 12 of the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
• Article 24 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child
• Article 5 of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
• Articles 12 & 14 of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women
• Article XI (11) of the American Declaration on Rights and Duties of Man
• Article 25 of the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities
- See more at: http://www.nesri.org/programs/what-is-the-hum...
NONE of the things that you mention here are part of the American tradition of Liberty. They are European/internationalist Socialist/Communist manifestos. Damn them.
Opinion

Hot Springs, SD

#13810 Dec 29, 2013
Bloody Bill Anderson wrote:
<quoted text>
NONE of the things that you mention here are part of the American tradition of Liberty. They are European/internationalist Socialist/Communist manifestos. Damn them.
Fact is Bill this country has as many socialistic things as it has capitalistic things.

I would assume that you don’t believe in educating children in public schools, public sewer systems, water systems, police force’s, roads, parks, military all things that are socialistic in nature. I’m not going to attempt to list all thing things in this country that are socialistic in nature. Simply put we are both and have been since the founding of the country.

It always amazes me how people can be ranting about something being socialism in one breath and in the next breath be passing big government laws regarding restricting abortion rights or burning a flag. Or, jumping up and down about this being a “Christian Nation” when they won’t apply the very Christian principles in government - unless it somehow benefits them.

They can be totally against welfare for an individual but all for farm welfare or corporate welfare. Limited thinking in my book or being susceptible to a rightwing line of echo rhetoric.
Problem is Bill, the right to healthcare is the law whether you like it or not. It’s been the law long before Obama or Obama care. We as a country are signed onto it rant and rave as you may. The whole issue would be better argued in regards to how that healthcare for all can be accomplished the best for the least cost.

You get upset because I mention the Christian moral values yet you totally oppose based on “Socialism” when we have forms of socialism all over in the USA. There is nothing in the Constitution that says this country is totally Capitalistic or not Socialistic. We are a representative Democracy under a Constitution that does not restrict us from doing either Capitalistic things or Socialistic things.
Opinion

Hot Springs, SD

#13811 Dec 29, 2013
Letters produced by a Freedom of Information Act request reveal that many anti-Obamacare Republicans have solicited grants from the very program they claim to despise. This is evidence not merely of shameless hypocrisy but of the fact that the ACA bestows tangible benefits that even Congress’s most extreme right-wing ideologues are hard-pressed to deny to their constituents.

Yes, Obamacare haters like Paul Ryan sent a secret letter requesting Affordable Healthcare Act funds for this district. But he’s not alone. Some 20 Obamacare-bashing Republican lawmakers are begging for that money. They include South Dakota congresswoman Kristi Noem, a Ohio Senator Rob Portman, and Arizona Governor Jan Brewer, who have either denounced it or vigorously worked to repeal it.

The letter writers include GOP rank-and-file Congress members, leaders and committee chairs, all of whom have supported the repeal effort. David Valadao, for example, a freshman representative who campaigned last year on his opposition to Obamacare, requested funds in a letter to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius two years ago for a program to improve “the general health” of the Fresno County area, which he then served as a California assemblyman. Congressman Jeff Denham, a two-term GOP lawmaker who won his seat with support from Tea Party activists, penned a letter recommending the same application for Fresno County. The county Department of Public Health won the grant. Valadao’s and Denham’s offices declined to comment.

Once again, the Republican Party proves that hypocrisy knows no shame. These teapubs never really hated Obamacare (in fact in was a conservative idea in the first place). What they hated was the man who brought it about and who will forever be credited with it.

This only proves what a bunch of obstructionist, destructive jerks the Republican Party has in Washington, DC.
Obamacares

Lindenhurst, NY

#13812 Dec 29, 2013
Time for some time off.
Bloody Bill Anderson

Princeton, KY

#13813 Dec 29, 2013
Three things that can derail the Socialist train in America:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/12/27/thr...

Admittedly these will be painful, but if it cures the cancerous disease of Socialism and rips it out of America root and branch, the pain will be worth it.
Opinion

Hot Springs, SD

#13815 Dec 29, 2013
Bloody Bill Anderson wrote:
Three things that can derail the Socialist train in America:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/12/27/thr...
Admittedly these will be painful, but if it cures the cancerous disease of Socialism and rips it out of America root and branch, the pain will be worth it.
Bill, I think I said this before. "we live in interesting times. People do not get a fair and balanced reporting of the news. They get a politically spun version that suits the people who own the news sources and have the money to pack people’s heads. Most people are not well educated and rely upon information told to them to form an opinion. If someone is good at helping them form an opinion many will willing accept that position. Rush Limbaugh, Shawn Hannity and Fixed News are good head packers and are funded by people far wealthier than you or I. Those same people are funding the politics in Washington."

There you go "Bill" dragging some Fixed News prediction as if it has already happened.

Fox News is a leader in presenting a one sided view of politics. They spend the day ranting and railing against everything Obama.

They drag out that same economist every now and then to present an anti-Obama spin. It makes little difference whether he was right or wrong in his past predictions as he is always willing to do another one that fits the purposes of Fox News and the extreme right wing.

Why don't you give us a presentation on what exactly you consider Socialism to be and if any would be acceptable to you. I wonder if you have a clue about what Socialism is or exactly what Capitalism is. Maybe you do but it hasn't shown up yet in your rant about ripping it out by the root in the USA. Just exactly what are you ripping out Bill.

Set down and express you thought in a reasonable and intelligent way as I would like to know just how you think.

In the past I have found it hard if not impossible to get right wing nuts to get down off their perch on the fence and defend their positions. They generally rant and rave in general terms but won't answer in detail.
Bloody Bill Anderson

Princeton, KY

#13816 Dec 29, 2013
Suggest you read "The Ethics of Liberty" by Murray N. Rothbard.

Rothbard pretty well spells out what "liberty" is. Then I suggest you go the the Library of Congress "Chronicling America" website and read the old newspapers from about 1890-1910. You will see that in those days the American "political economy" as it was then called operated according to the principles of what was then called "Liberalism" (no relation to today's definition of liberalism). Those principles were essentially what is today called "libertarian" economics and closely resemble what Rothbard was talking about.

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