Fox is going down
ZCs

New York, NY

#4816 Dec 21, 2013
After assuring a GLAAD official that she would challenge an anti-gay hate group leader on his history of extreme rhetoric, Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly welcomed Family Research Council president Tony Perkins to defend the Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson, never mentioning his or FRC's anti-gay extremism and hate group designation by the SPLC.

Phil Robertson of A&E's Duck Dynasty show, made national headlines this week after calling homosexuality illogical and comparing it to bestiality during an interview with GQ magazine. Citing his remarks, on December 18 A&E announced it would be placing Robertson on indefinite hiatus.

During the following evening's edition of The Kelly File, Kelly invited on GLAAD's Jeremy Hooper followed by Family Research Council (FRC) president Tony Perkins to discuss Robertson's anti-gay comments.

Hooper challenged Kelly to hold Perkins accountable for his anti-gay record and vile rhetoric, to which Kelly promised, "What specifically? Because I'll ask him."

But Kelly never asked Perkins to explain his extreme stances against the gay community, and she also did not disclose that the Southern Poverty Law Center has designated the FRC a hate group.

Instead she only identified FRC as "a group whose mission is to advance faith, family, and freedom in public policy and culture from a Christian world view"-- a description that continues Fox's trend of referring to anti-gay extremism as Christianity. Perkins went on to defend Robertson as upholding "biblical morality" and attack homosexuality as "sexual immorality."

It's no surprise that Perkins wasn't bothered by Robertson's comments. Perkins himself is notorious for spewing some of the most hateful anti-LGBT commentary in modern conservative politics. Perkins has said that gays will experience "eternal damnation," praised a Ugandan bill that would impose the death penalty for homosexuality, and declared that members of Congress who voted to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell had the "blood of young Marines" on their hands.

His organization (the FRC) has been labeled a "hate group" for routinely peddling the myth that gay men are more likely to be pedophiles than straight men.

In addition to regularly spouting anti-LGBT rhetoric, Perkins has also been linked to white supremacist groups in his native Louisiana.

Perkins support for Robertson's offensive remarks was a given, considering his own extensive history of anti-gay hate. And Megyn Kelly refused to confront an extremist "lunatic" with his own statements who's never met an anti-gay smear he wasn't willing to defend.

And btw, anyone who says the Phil Robertson scandal is about free speech is an idiot. Because it has nothing to do with free speech, the 1st amendment gives you free speech rights protection from the Government, tv shows are not mentioned in the 1st amendment.

Private owned companies can fire or hire anyone for almost any reason, including saying something stupid that makes the company look bad. And nobody is saying Phil Robertson can not say whatever he wants, what they are saying is that if you insult gay people and compare their lifestyle to sex with animals you can be suspended from your tv show.
ZCs

New York, NY

#4817 Dec 21, 2013
ILAL wrote:
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Goes great with crackers.
Goes great with Guinness Too.
ILAL

Bronx, NY

#4818 Dec 21, 2013
ZCs wrote:
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Goes great with Guinness Too.
That is a good beer, but so is Heineken and Lowenbrau.
ZCs

New York, NY

#4820 Dec 24, 2013
Here is a perfect example of bias from O'Reilly by what he does not report on, instead of what he does report on. Federal prosecutors told Virginia Gov. Robert F. McDonnell (R) last week that he and his wife would be charged in connection with a gift scandal, but senior Justice Department officials delayed the decision after the McDonnells attorneys made a face-to-face appeal in Washington, according to people familiar with the case.

And if you are a regular Factor viewer you would not even know about the story, because O'Reilly has not said one word about it. But if McDonnell were a Democrat, O'Reilly would have been all over the story. He would have done weekly, if not nightly segments on the story, but because it's a Republican O'Reilly has totally ignored the entire story.

Federal prosecutors have been investigating the McDonnells relationship with Williams for most of this year. Williams provided more than $165,000 in gifts and loans to the governor and his family. The gifts came as the McDonnells took steps to promote Williams's company, Star Scientific Inc., including hosting a lunch at the Executive Mansion to mark the launch of a new product.

The McDonnells also helped company executives secure meetings with state officials.

Privately, as prosecutors signaled their intent to file charges, McDonnell’s attorneys have been pressing Justice Department officials to reconsider or delay -- at least long enough for McDonnell to complete his four-year term and avoid becoming the first sitting governor in state history to face criminal charges.

The investigation has focused on whether McDonnell violated the Hobbs Act, which makes it a federal crime for a public official to receive payments or other financial gifts, knowing that those payments are in return for the official's promise to take action in his government role.

To prove the crime, it is not necessary to show that the public official actually took the steps or that any of the official acts resulted in benefits to the person making the payments. Private citizens can also be charged under the law if they caused the public official to take actions or make such promises.

And that's not all, McDonnell is also the subject of a state investigation into whether his annual financial disclosures complied with Virginia law. It is a misdemeanor under Virginia law for an elected official to knowingly submit false or incomplete information on annual financial disclosure forms.

This is serious stuff, and real news, but O'Reilly ignored it all, because he is a Republican. This is what the media was made for, reporting on Government corruption, this is the kind of news story O'Reilly is paid to report on, and yet, he never said a word about any of it.
ZCs

New York, NY

#4821 Dec 24, 2013
Remember when O'Reilly called for MSNBC to fire Al Sharpton for simply not showing the full quote of what O'Reilly said about Nelson Mandela when he called him a communist?

Remember when O'Reilly called for MSNBC to fire Martin Bashir for saying something bad about Sarah Palin?

So when Phil Robertson said the stuff about gays and blacks did O'Reilly call for A&E to fire him, of course not, he said Phil just used the wrong words and said A&E should not have suspended him.

And of course, almost everyone else at Fox either defended what Robertson said, or put a spin on it and used his religion to excuse it. So Juan Williams called them out on it, he said it was total hypocrisy, which it is.

On Fox News Sunday, Fox News analyst Juan Williams called the conservative outrage over last week's suspension of Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson hypocritical, given the right's history of hounding MSNBC host Martin Bashir and others -- which is notable as Williams himself pointed out, is a Fox News analyst because he was fired from NPR for a remark about Muslims made in 2010.

"The right goes after Martin Bashir, they wanted Martin Bashir fired," Williams said. "Remember the Dixie Chicks, or Tim Robbins, or Bill Maher? All of that, the right says get them out of here. But then they want to cry foul when people are intolerant of them."

"The reason that the right is so strongly backing this is because they think this is a potential wedge issue, especially with older, white, evangelical voters," Williams said.

"When I got fired, it was part of an honest debate about terrorism in our society. My employer didn't like it and fired me. But this is not about honest debate. What was said actually shuts down debate. It was ugly language about homosexual acts. It invites bigotry. It invites people to hate people who are gay. And this is amazing, because it is not in the Christian tradition to make judgments about them and to put them in a box."

Almost Juan, this not exactly what happened. You were not fired for what you said in a debate about terrorism on NPR. During a Fox news show Williams made the comment that when he gets on a plane and sees a Muslim he gets scared, which implied that all Muslims are terrorists.

And it's the same as a white guy saying when they see a black person they get scared, which is a statement that Juan Williams has said is wrong to say. He did not say it during a debate on terrorism either, so Juan is spinning it.

But for once he was right, the people at Fox, O'Reilly, and the right are hypocrites. They call for people to be fired all the time for things someone says, but as soon as the left call for someone to be fired for what they said, the right flips out and screams 1st amendment, even though they did the very same thing, and it's not a 1st amendment issue.

The 1st amendment protects you from the Government trying to shut you up, it says nothing about a private company telling an employee to shut up. And they did not even tell Robertson to keep quiet, they let him say what he wanted, then they suspended him, which they have every right to do.
ILAL

Bronx, NY

#4822 Dec 24, 2013
ZCs wrote:
Remember when O'Reilly called for MSNBC to fire Al Sharpton for simply not showing the full quote of what O'Reilly said about Nelson Mandela when he called him a communist?
Remember when O'Reilly called for MSNBC to fire Martin Bashir for saying something bad about Sarah Palin?
So when Phil Robertson said the stuff about gays and blacks did O'Reilly call for A&E to fire him, of course not, he said Phil just used the wrong words and said A&E should not have suspended him.
And of course, almost everyone else at Fox either defended what Robertson said, or put a spin on it and used his religion to excuse it. So Juan Williams called them out on it, he said it was total hypocrisy, which it is.
On Fox News Sunday, Fox News analyst Juan Williams called the conservative outrage over last week's suspension of Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson hypocritical, given the right's history of hounding MSNBC host Martin Bashir and others -- which is notable as Williams himself pointed out, is a Fox News analyst because he was fired from NPR for a remark about Muslims made in 2010.
"The right goes after Martin Bashir, they wanted Martin Bashir fired," Williams said. "Remember the Dixie Chicks, or Tim Robbins, or Bill Maher? All of that, the right says get them out of here. But then they want to cry foul when people are intolerant of them."
"The reason that the right is so strongly backing this is because they think this is a potential wedge issue, especially with older, white, evangelical voters," Williams said.
"When I got fired, it was part of an honest debate about terrorism in our society. My employer didn't like it and fired me. But this is not about honest debate. What was said actually shuts down debate. It was ugly language about homosexual acts. It invites bigotry. It invites people to hate people who are gay. And this is amazing, because it is not in the Christian tradition to make judgments about them and to put them in a box."
Almost Juan, this not exactly what happened. You were not fired for what you said in a debate about terrorism on NPR. During a Fox news show Williams made the comment that when he gets on a plane and sees a Muslim he gets scared, which implied that all Muslims are terrorists.
And it's the same as a white guy saying when they see a black person they get scared, which is a statement that Juan Williams has said is wrong to say. He did not say it during a debate on terrorism either, so Juan is spinning it.
But for once he was right, the people at Fox, O'Reilly, and the right are hypocrites. They call for people to be fired all the time for things someone says, but as soon as the left call for someone to be fired for what they said, the right flips out and screams 1st amendment, even though they did the very same thing, and it's not a 1st amendment issue.
The 1st amendment protects you from the Government trying to shut you up, it says nothing about a private company telling an employee to shut up. And they did not even tell Robertson to keep quiet, they let him say what he wanted, then they suspended him, which they have every right to do.
Which goes to show the hypocrisy, double standard and what a phony O'reilly is.
They can say whatever they want and call it "free speech"
But when another who doesn't share their politics or viewpoints do the same, it's not free speech.
The intelligent Americans know how phony those reichwing extremists are.
ILAL

Bronx, NY

#4823 Dec 24, 2013
ZCs wrote:
Here is a perfect example of bias from O'Reilly by what he does not report on, instead of what he does report on. Federal prosecutors told Virginia Gov. Robert F. McDonnell (R) last week that he and his wife would be charged in connection with a gift scandal, but senior Justice Department officials delayed the decision after the McDonnells attorneys made a face-to-face appeal in Washington, according to people familiar with the case.
And if you are a regular Factor viewer you would not even know about the story, because O'Reilly has not said one word about it. But if McDonnell were a Democrat, O'Reilly would have been all over the story. He would have done weekly, if not nightly segments on the story, but because it's a Republican O'Reilly has totally ignored the entire story.
Federal prosecutors have been investigating the McDonnells relationship with Williams for most of this year. Williams provided more than $165,000 in gifts and loans to the governor and his family. The gifts came as the McDonnells took steps to promote Williams's company, Star Scientific Inc., including hosting a lunch at the Executive Mansion to mark the launch of a new product.
The McDonnells also helped company executives secure meetings with state officials.
Privately, as prosecutors signaled their intent to file charges, McDonnell’s attorneys have been pressing Justice Department officials to reconsider or delay -- at least long enough for McDonnell to complete his four-year term and avoid becoming the first sitting governor in state history to face criminal charges.
The investigation has focused on whether McDonnell violated the Hobbs Act, which makes it a federal crime for a public official to receive payments or other financial gifts, knowing that those payments are in return for the official's promise to take action in his government role.
To prove the crime, it is not necessary to show that the public official actually took the steps or that any of the official acts resulted in benefits to the person making the payments. Private citizens can also be charged under the law if they caused the public official to take actions or make such promises.
And that's not all, McDonnell is also the subject of a state investigation into whether his annual financial disclosures complied with Virginia law. It is a misdemeanor under Virginia law for an elected official to knowingly submit false or incomplete information on annual financial disclosure forms.
This is serious stuff, and real news, but O'Reilly ignored it all, because he is a Republican. This is what the media was made for, reporting on Government corruption, this is the kind of news story O'Reilly is paid to report on, and yet, he never said a word about any of it.
Whenever a Republican is actually involved in a real scandal, O'reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck and the rest of the reichwing loons ignore the story and pretend it didn't happen.
An example of that was when Trey Bradel, the Tea Party cokehead from Florida got busted with cocaine.
The media reported it two weeks after the fact and Fox News never reported it at all.
It's the same old double standard.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#4824 Dec 24, 2013
Merry Christmas you guys......
The Great Bass Reeve

New York, NY

#4825 Dec 26, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Merry Christmas you guys......
And a Happy Healthy New Years!!!!!!!!!!
The Great Bass Reeve

New York, NY

#4826 Dec 26, 2013
For years, Fox News host Bill O'Reilly has been trying to save Christmas from all the liberal pinheads who want to destroy the country by wishing people "Happy holidays."

He has called the greeting "insulting to Christian America" and bemoaned the "'Happy holidays' syndrome."

But during his show last week, just as he was declaring victory in this War on Christmas, his own network was joining the ranks of the terrible secular progressives.

During a commercial break, Fox News aired a graphic wishing viewers "Happy holidays." Later in his show, O'Reilly nevertheless said he had successfully saved Christmas for all God-fearing Americans.

"Nine years ago when we started this reportage on Christmas, there were orders given by some major corporations in America to their employees, forbidding them -- forbidding them -- from saying 'Merry Christmas.'

We outed those companies, they reversed the policy, so today, everybody can say Merry Christmas to anyone they want," said O'Reilly.

"It isn't a mythical war on Christmas. It's real, and we just won."

Proving that O'Reilly is a right-wing nut, because it can not be a big liberal conspiracy to only say Happy Holidays if Fox News is doing it too. Not to mention this, the liberals I know do not care if anyone says Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays, so O'Reilly is lying when he says all the liberals want people to stop saying Merry Christmas.
The Great Bass Reeve

New York, NY

#4827 Dec 26, 2013
Here is a perfect example of bias from O'Reilly by what he does not report on, instead of what he does report on. Federal prosecutors told Virginia Gov. Robert F. McDonnell (R) last week that he and his wife would be charged in connection with a gift scandal, but senior Justice Department officials delayed the decision after the McDonnells attorneys made a face-to-face appeal in Washington, according to people familiar with the case.

And if you are a regular Factor viewer you would not even know about the story, because O'Reilly has not said one word about it. But if McDonnell were a Democrat, O'Reilly would have been all over the story. He would have done weekly, if not nightly segments on the story, but because it's a Republican O'Reilly has totally ignored the entire story.

Federal prosecutors have been investigating the McDonnells relationship with Williams for most of this year. Williams provided more than $165,000 in gifts and loans to the governor and his family. The gifts came as the McDonnells took steps to promote Williams's company, Star Scientific Inc., including hosting a lunch at the Executive Mansion to mark the launch of a new product.

The McDonnells also helped company executives secure meetings with state officials.

Privately, as prosecutors signaled their intent to file charges, McDonnell’s attorneys have been pressing Justice Department officials to reconsider or delay -- at least long enough for McDonnell to complete his four-year term and avoid becoming the first sitting governor in state history to face criminal charges.

The investigation has focused on whether McDonnell violated the Hobbs Act, which makes it a federal crime for a public official to receive payments or other financial gifts, knowing that those payments are in return for the official's promise to take action in his government role.

To prove the crime, it is not necessary to show that the public official actually took the steps or that any of the official acts resulted in benefits to the person making the payments. Private citizens can also be charged under the law if they caused the public official to take actions or make such promises.

And that's not all, McDonnell is also the subject of a state investigation into whether his annual financial disclosures complied with Virginia law. It is a misdemeanor under Virginia law for an elected official to knowingly submit false or incomplete information on annual financial disclosure forms.

This is serious stuff, and real news, but O'Reilly ignored it all, because he is a Republican. This is what the media was made for, reporting on Government corruption, this is the kind of news story O'Reilly is paid to report on, and yet, he never said a word about any of it.
ZCs

New York, NY

#4828 Dec 28, 2013
Maybe it is time to put Christ back in Christmas. Bill OReilly annually demands we acknowledge that the man, or myth, that has been moved to the center of this once pagan ritual be properly identified with a religion, or philosophy as he puts it, that carries a moral message. True, the nations early Puritan settlers considered the holiday somewhat blasphemous, but we obviously are in need of moral guidance from any quarter that is plausible.

So, what would Jesus do about the profound inequality of opportunity that both the pope and our president have identified as the most pressing moral crisis of our time? OReilly didnt cotton to the statements of either man and took particular umbrage over the comments that the spiritual leader of his own Catholic faith made in late November:Pope Francis said that income inequality is immoral. I dont know if Jesus is going to be down with that.

It is a timely question to ponder when many of us honor the purported moment of Christs birth with a last minute burst of shopping so desperate as to suggest the gluttony of the Roman Empire that led the early Christians to revolt in disgust. It is an indulgence much in evidence today, as the pope warns:The worship of the ancient golden calf has returned in a new and ruthless guise in the idolatry of money and the dictatorship of an impersonal economy lacking a truly human purpose. The worldwide crisis affecting finance and the economy lays bare their imbalance and, above all, their lack of concern for human beings.

Score one for the pope. Although there is much to argue about in Christs enduring legacy, divinely inspired or not, there can be no doubt that equality of opportunity is explicit in the core Christian doctrine that every infant has a soul as significant as that of any other, and that we all will be judged by how well we respect the sanctity of the lives of those born into the most forlorn of circumstance.

That is also the crisis of the moment. As President Obama stated recently in pledging, once again, that he would treat the growing inequality of opportunity as the defining challenge of our time, he noted the premise that were all created equal is the opening line in the American story. That precept drew heavily upon the predominant Christian faith of the settlers even as they betrayed it in their treatment of this lands original natives and its imported slaves.

Clearly the nations founders skipped Christs tale of the Good Samaritan in Luke where a compassionate response to a disheveled wretch is offered as the necessary requirement for eternal salvation. But it is the sentiment that informed Pope Francis recent apostolic exhortation condemning the growing worldwide gulf between the super-rich and the vast majority of more humble folk:

The thirst for power and possessions knows no limit. In this system, which tends to devour everything which stands in the way of increased profits, whatever is fragile, like the environment, is defenseless before the interests of a deified market, which become the rule. Behind this attitude lurks a rejection of ethics and a rejection of God.
ILAL

Bronx, NY

#4829 Dec 28, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Merry Christmas you guys......
Happy holidays to you as well.
And a prosperous new year.
ILAL

Bronx, NY

#4830 Dec 28, 2013
The Great Bass Reeve wrote:
For years, Fox News host Bill O'Reilly has been trying to save Christmas from all the liberal pinheads who want to destroy the country by wishing people "Happy holidays."
He has called the greeting "insulting to Christian America" and bemoaned the "'Happy holidays' syndrome."
But during his show last week, just as he was declaring victory in this War on Christmas, his own network was joining the ranks of the terrible secular progressives.
During a commercial break, Fox News aired a graphic wishing viewers "Happy holidays." Later in his show, O'Reilly nevertheless said he had successfully saved Christmas for all God-fearing Americans.
"Nine years ago when we started this reportage on Christmas, there were orders given by some major corporations in America to their employees, forbidding them -- forbidding them -- from saying 'Merry Christmas.'
We outed those companies, they reversed the policy, so today, everybody can say Merry Christmas to anyone they want," said O'Reilly.
"It isn't a mythical war on Christmas. It's real, and we just won."
Proving that O'Reilly is a right-wing nut, because it can not be a big liberal conspiracy to only say Happy Holidays if Fox News is doing it too. Not to mention this, the liberals I know do not care if anyone says Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays, so O'Reilly is lying when he says all the liberals want people to stop saying Merry Christmas.
Yeah, him and his phony "War on Christmas".
He runs that line of crap every year.
El Rushbo

Valley Stream, NY

#4831 Dec 30, 2013
4 years ago almost to the day, this thread was started claiming Fox was going down... Didn't happen then not happening now.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#4832 Dec 30, 2013
El Rushbo wrote:
4 years ago almost to the day, this thread was started claiming Fox was going down... Didn't happen then not happening now.
Very few intelligent people, could ever find the propaganda Fox spews at credible.....they have their uninformed and unpatriotic followers.....
ZCs is no sage

Dover, OH

#4833 Dec 30, 2013
El Rushbo wrote:
4 years ago almost to the day, this thread was started claiming Fox was going down... Didn't happen then not happening now.
He should've started a thread "CNN is going down", he would have been spot on! CNN is so bad that they are abandoning news reporting for entertainment segments.

Fair & Balanced always wins out, the ratings numbers don't lie.
Huffington Post

Advance, NC

#4834 Dec 30, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Fox is going down, and taking it's mutant, teaparty House republicans, with it......
Just what this thread needs....... Another HOPIUM Head

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#4835 Dec 31, 2013
ZCs is no sage wrote:
<quoted text>He should've started a thread "CNN is going down", he would have been spot on! CNN is so bad that they are abandoning news reporting for entertainment segments.
Fair & Balanced always wins out, the ratings numbers don't lie.
Hardly.....Last night Anderson Cooper had on the reporter from the NY Times, explaining his research in showing Al Queda had nothing to do with Benghazi and that it actually was partially a violent reaction to that video........Easy to see why the Reich would want to deny these facts......
ILAL

Bronx, NY

#4836 Dec 31, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> Very few intelligent people, could ever find the propaganda Fox spews at credible.....they have their uninformed and unpatriotic followers.....
That is correct, Fox News followers have an average I.Q. of 80.
Some of the posters on these forums have an I.Q. that matches their shoe size.

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