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There are 59502 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#37062 Jul 16, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>well....i for one support your rights on all the above. why do you not support me for not wanting government telling me what fuel i can use?
i guess your rights are all that matter....to hell with other people, huh?
Let's keep it simple for you, and start with Wiki:
In economics, the tragedy of the commons is the depletion of a shared resource by individuals, acting independently and rationally according to each one's self-interest, despite their understanding that depleting the common resource is contrary to the group's long-term best interests. The concept is often cited in connection with sustainable development, meshing economic growth and environmental protection, as well as in the debate over global warming. "Commons" can include the atmosphere, oceans, rivers, fish stocks, national parks, advertising, and even parking meters. The tragedy of the commons has particular relevance in analyzing behavior in the fields of economics, evolutionary psychology, game theory, politics, taxation, and sociology. Some also see the "tragedy" as an example of emergent behavior, the outcome of individual interactions in a complex system.

So, you and your cohorts may think that it is perfectly fine to continue to pollute, but a growing number of us do indeed want to take that right away from you. It is for the common good.

Your right to scream "Fire!" in a crowded theatre has also been taken away from you. It is for the common good.

Your right to drive on the left side of the road in the USA has been taken away from you, too. It's for the common good.

Your right to own a fully automatic .50 caliber machine gun has been taken away also. That, again, is for the common good.

If your numbers ever become large enough, file a class action lawsuit to have those rights restored.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#37063 Jul 16, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
lol.....the only 'faith' or 'religion' i see on this forum is from the alarmist crowd. you people sure took a leap of faith with this boondoggle.
And it's official, Justice Burton ruled it thus:

Judge rules activist's beliefs on climate change akin to religion ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/no...

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#37064 Jul 16, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's keep it simple for you, and start with Wiki:
In economics, the tragedy of the commons is the depletion of a shared resource by individuals, acting independently and rationally according to each one's self-interest, despite their understanding that depleting the common resource is contrary to the group's long-term best interests. The concept is often cited in connection with sustainable development, meshing economic growth and environmental protection, as well as in the debate over global warming. "Commons" can include the atmosphere, oceans, rivers, fish stocks, national parks, advertising, and even parking meters. The tragedy of the commons has particular relevance in analyzing behavior in the fields of economics, evolutionary psychology, game theory, politics, taxation, and sociology. Some also see the "tragedy" as an example of emergent behavior, the outcome of individual interactions in a complex system.
So, you and your cohorts may think that it is perfectly fine to continue to pollute, but a growing number of us do indeed want to take that right away from you. It is for the common good.
Your right to scream "Fire!" in a crowded theatre has also been taken away from you. It is for the common good.
Your right to drive on the left side of the road in the USA has been taken away from you, too. It's for the common good.
Your right to own a fully automatic .50 caliber machine gun has been taken away also. That, again, is for the common good.
If your numbers ever become large enough, file a class action lawsuit to have those rights restored.
co2 is not pollution. Petroleum is in abundance. The human race relies on it and will continue to do so. Free markets will rule the day.....not big government hoaxes. No need to file a class action, son, because of how you think the world should be. Our rights to fossil fuel will continue, Keystone will likely be passed, and government makes more on a gallon of petrol than oil companies. They'll continue to do so. Don't blame me because you've been hoodwinked by a bunch of unsubstantiated scientific theoretical maybe's.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#37065 Jul 16, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
So are you telling me transgender boys would be the only boys "persecuted" in the boy's locker room? What about the fat kids, the skinny kids, the nerds, the geeks, the boys who are late developing? You don't think every boy in a locker room has self-image issues? You don't think there are any other boys who have dreaded going into a locker room and being made fun of? It sucks, but it's life, kids can be cruel, but that doesn't make it right to protect just one type of self-image issue. I have a 12-year-old daughter and I know the last person she wants in a locker room with her while she is changing clothes is a boy. I don't care if the boy thinks he is a girl and this isn't about whether the boy wants to make out with my daughter. It's about my daughters age and stage of development and seeing a boy naked in a locker room is not something she is ready for. If you are arguing that this is appropriate then I proved my point that the middle has gone far to the left.
Well we don't know whether it hangs to the left or the right, with a trans-gender it might not hang at all. The point is this was a non issue typical right wing nonsense trying to make a big story out of nothing. What about the atheist that wants God taken out of the oath of allegiance , see if you would make the same noise about that.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#37066 Jul 16, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>co2 is not pollution. Petroleum is in abundance. The human race relies on it and will continue to do so. Free markets will rule the day.....not big government hoaxes. No need to file a class action, son, because of how you think the world should be. Our rights to fossil fuel will continue, Keystone will likely be passed, and government makes more on a gallon of petrol than oil companies. They'll continue to do so. Don't blame me because you've been hoodwinked by a bunch of unsubstantiated scientific theoretical maybe's.
It appears that further simplification is required for you to understand, or, alternatively, to show how stupid you are.

From Merriam-Webster: Pollution is the introduction of contaminants into the natural environment that cause adverse change.

If petroleum is in abundance, why are ocean oil rigs drilling deeper than ever? Why are tar sands being squeezed out for a very poor grade of oil if it is so plentiful?

Free markets are turning to alternatives.

What government hoaxes? How many conspirators are there? Why has no one exposed it or turned anyone in? Why aren't the Republicunts going along with it? How did the government get plants and birds to participate? Who is removing the ice at the North Pole? Who is raising the average global air and water temperatures? How does the government make the oceans rise?

I was suggesting YOU file the class action suit, dummy.

I don't blame you for anything except being an ignorant and traitorous bumpkin.
Retired Farmer

Paducah, KY

#37067 Jul 16, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Public opinion is being controlled in this country by a very small, very loud group of conservative "back-to-the-past-ers ". The average citizen is too apathetic and uneducated to analyze what these controllers are doing. As it has been since at least the Civil War, they use race and class to divide the population, whose classes and races have more in common than not. The strategy is "keep the races fighting each other, put on the farce that the poor can move into the middle class, and that the middle class can become wealthy, if they just work hard enough and conform".
So right you are.

This is from a letter that I received today from Senator Mitch McConnell in reply to a letter that I sent him some weeks ago stressing the need for the Republicans and Democrats to compromise and pass a Farm Bill:

"Kentucky farmers have always been defined by their hard work and determination.... Thanks to America's farming families, our nation has bee provided a safe and reliable food supply.... Kentucky farmers are a symbol of an honest way of life that breeds industry and personal responsibility...."

"As you know, the Agriculture Refore, Food, and Jobs Act of 2013 (S. 954, Farm Bill) was introduced by Senator Stabenow of Michigan. This measure passed the Senate on June 10, 2013."

While I recognize the need for a five-year Farm Bill, I opposed S. 954 because 80 percent of the money spent does not go to farmers. This $760 billion in non-farm spending will only move us closer to fiscal peril and national insolvency. Our country can no longer afford political gamesmanship where our real necessities are held hostage to unsustainable spending. Furthermore, I am for a Farm Bill that focuses on farmers. Kentucky farmers need a bill that provides certainty and much-needed reforms and regulatory relief."

"Our nation's unsustainable debt makes it more important than ever that Congress prioritize spending and ensure that every tax dollar is spent wisely."

Please note that never once in the letter did Mr. McConnell say that the $760 billion in non-farm spending was for food stamps. Never once did he say what his priorities were. His pre-canned form letter was was simply a page of baloney intended to tell a farmer what he thought that farmer wanted to hear.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#37068 Jul 16, 2013
A report that suggests 80% of the global fossil fuel needs to stay in the ground if we are to avoid disaster in next decade with global warming. Not sure if Obama will be influenced enough on this & others to be able to block Keystone.

http://ecowatch.com/2013/report-finds-80-perc...
SpaceBlues

Humble, TX

#37069 Jul 16, 2013
NO to XL.

We will always have fossil fuels in the ground because we are shifting to another way of living without fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels are dirty.
SpaceBlues

Humble, TX

#37070 Jul 16, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
A report that suggests 80% of the global fossil fuel needs to stay in the ground if we are to avoid disaster in next decade with global warming. Not sure if Obama will be influenced enough on this & others to be able to block Keystone.
http://ecowatch.com/2013/report-finds-80-perc...
Thanks for this post.

Obama is a dark horse at this point. Maybe he'll see that his healthcare depends on a less polluted world.

His legacy should be free of XL.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#37071 Jul 16, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
NO to XL.
We will always have fossil fuels in the ground because we are shifting to another way of living without fossil fuels.
Fossil fuels are dirty.
This case of Keystone is heavily...heavily emotional and political.

It is complicated. There are powerful interests and money pushing
from both sides.

What is insane to me is that in one accident, a very valuable and necessary aquifer could be trashed. It might never happen, BUT WHAT IF IT DID?

But what I have heard from both sides is that this dilbit will be refined on the coast and shipped overseas.

It will not improve the US supply.

It will not lower gas prices. The cost of extraction and shipping might even increase gas prices.

It creates jobs, they will argue, jobs the equivalent of Assistant Furnace Stoker in Hell.

The oil companies profit. End of story.
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#37072 Jul 16, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me where the middle stands on the issues of today.
==========

What you call the middle is just about gay marriage, foodstamps welfare, or even immigration, as both parties are much alike, since Bush gave that much foodstamps too during his time. The only thing that still remains as a difference is the abortion issue.

Do you know what a Neo-con is?
That is concerning with very uptight ideas about everything. Yet Obama is supposed to be a liberated person, but he is acting more than a radical as a Neo-con, doing more than the extremist Bush did, as in the old days, kings (as Neo-cons hypocrites ) made people slaves with no liberty and freedom but lots of death penalties. Obama does not care for his supporters who traditionally and historically are left out with no civil liberty but being nailed as scapegoats.
Yet Obama is exactly doing that like a tyrant dictator to Bradley Manning in the severe punishment (as this opposes to the thinking of progressive thinkers), and to the world as Bush did the same things by dragging down US image.
Obama has done more the obstructing privacy rights inside US too, while the world is just its own world democracy with more privacy liberty for not being snooped on much.

What makes you think Obama does not lie since facts show CIA was wrong about Snowden on airplane going to Bolivia, and ON Syria too on chemical weapons usage, just like Bush lying about Iraq. If CIA has no accurate data, how may drones they had done that killed the wrong people as Obama over-does all these?
Obama's way of attempt to get Snowden has a lot of Neocon support,yet majority is against it by both liberals and conservatives.

US image has disappeared since Bush time, as it is no longer as what you think as.
But it is doing against world direction in many areas, breaking International rules, laws and regulations, with its CIA and activities, proceeded by the Neocon extremist Obama when the world backlashes against Obama.

What you call the middle has no clarity according to what Obama doses so far.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#37073 Jul 17, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Well we don't know whether it hangs to the left or the right, with a trans-gender it might not hang at all. The point is this was a non issue typical right wing nonsense trying to make a big story out of nothing. What about the atheist that wants God taken out of the oath of allegiance , see if you would make the same noise about that.
What is it with you all and religion? I'm not religious. Having God in an oath really means nothing to me. It's just a word. But again, you have proven that the middle has moved far to the left when you are arguing that boys in girls' locker rooms or bathrooms is a non-issue. Ten years ago, if I had said that someday they will make laws like this, everyone would have said that's crazy talk.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#37074 Jul 17, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
<quoted text>
So right you are.
This is from a letter that I received today from Senator Mitch McConnell in reply to a letter that I sent him some weeks ago stressing the need for the Republicans and Democrats to compromise and pass a Farm Bill:
"Kentucky farmers have always been defined by their hard work and determination.... Thanks to America's farming families, our nation has bee provided a safe and reliable food supply.... Kentucky farmers are a symbol of an honest way of life that breeds industry and personal responsibility...."
"As you know, the Agriculture Refore, Food, and Jobs Act of 2013 (S. 954, Farm Bill) was introduced by Senator Stabenow of Michigan. This measure passed the Senate on June 10, 2013."
While I recognize the need for a five-year Farm Bill, I opposed S. 954 because 80 percent of the money spent does not go to farmers. This $760 billion in non-farm spending will only move us closer to fiscal peril and national insolvency. Our country can no longer afford political gamesmanship where our real necessities are held hostage to unsustainable spending. Furthermore, I am for a Farm Bill that focuses on farmers. Kentucky farmers need a bill that provides certainty and much-needed reforms and regulatory relief."
"Our nation's unsustainable debt makes it more important than ever that Congress prioritize spending and ensure that every tax dollar is spent wisely."
Please note that never once in the letter did Mr. McConnell say that the $760 billion in non-farm spending was for food stamps. Never once did he say what his priorities were. His pre-canned form letter was was simply a page of baloney intended to tell a farmer what he thought that farmer wanted to hear.
What do you want the compromise to contain?

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#37075 Jul 17, 2013
The Tea Party aren't libertarians; we believe in s strong national defense. Our domestic agenda is similar; end intrusive regulation, stop wasteful government spending and stop higher taxes. We aren't for legalizing dope either.
SpaceBlues

Humble, TX

#37077 Jul 17, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
The Tea Party aren't libertarians; we believe in s strong national defense. Our domestic agenda is similar; end intrusive regulation, stop wasteful government spending and stop higher taxes. We aren't for legalizing dope either.
Why do you interfere with US when you live in Germany?
back in the day

Johnson City, TN

#37078 Jul 17, 2013
If your stupid and want to believe whatever then just set yourself on fire now, the sun is growing isn't it or I have been told? But for all you people who believe and preach evolution want we just adapt and be ok? Or do you believe like the Bible says there will always be the seasons. I like the Bibles version its not all weird and scary or going to dig in my wallet like the government can and if everyone believed that, I wouldn't have to start paying some extra tax, or go to war with Cuba or Uganda because they are environmental terrorist or something stupid like Al Gore. Just let it die like we all will anyway, what do you have to loose? This earth is going to be burned up, the sun is growing could that be it? Or should we help someone starving for right now, because many will just adapt that believes that shit want they?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#37086 Jul 17, 2013
back in the day wrote:
If your stupid and want to believe whatever then just set yourself on fire now, the sun is growing isn't it or I have been told? But for all you people who believe and preach evolution want we just adapt and be ok? Or do you believe like the Bible says there will always be the seasons. I like the Bibles version its not all weird and scary or going to dig in my wallet like the government can and if everyone believed that, I wouldn't have to start paying some extra tax, or go to war with Cuba or Uganda because they are environmental terrorist or something stupid like Al Gore. Just let it die like we all will anyway, what do you have to loose? This earth is going to be burned up, the sun is growing could that be it? Or should we help someone starving for right now, because many will just adapt that believes that shit want they?
If you are going to use the Bible as your excuse to ignore environmental damage to the planet, you need to reread!
"Genesis 1:26 - Then God said,'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.'(NIV)

Leviticus 25:23-24 - The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants. Throughout the country that you hold as a possession, you must provide for the redemption of the land.(NIV)

Ezekial 34:2-4 - Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel; prophesy and say to them:'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the shepherds of Israel who only take care of themselves! Should not shepherds take care of the flock? You eat the curds, clothe yourselves with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you do not take care of the flock. You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured. You have not brought back the strays or searched for the lost. You have ruled them harshly and brutally.(NIV)

Isaiah 24:4-6 - The earth dries up and withers, the world languishes and withers, the exalted of the earth languish. The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth's inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left.(NIV)

Jeremiah 2:7 - I brought you into a fertile land to eat its fruit and rich produce. But you came and defiled my land and made my inheritance detestable.(NIV)

Revelation 11:18 - The nations were angry; and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great — and for destroying those who destroy the earth. "
Retired Farmer

Paducah, KY

#37087 Jul 17, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are going to use the Bible as your excuse to ignore environmental damage to the planet, you need to reread!
"Genesis 1:26 - Then God said,'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.'(NIV)
Leviticus 25:23-24 - The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants. Throughout the country that you hold as a possession, you must provide for the redemption of the land.(NIV)
Ezekial 34:2-4 - Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel; prophesy and say to them:'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the shepherds of Israel who only take care of themselves! Should not shepherds take care of the flock? You eat the curds, clothe yourselves with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you do not take care of the flock. You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured. You have not brought back the strays or searched for the lost. You have ruled them harshly and brutally.(NIV)
Isaiah 24:4-6 - The earth dries up and withers, the world languishes and withers, the exalted of the earth languish. The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth's inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left.(NIV)
Jeremiah 2:7 - I brought you into a fertile land to eat its fruit and rich produce. But you came and defiled my land and made my inheritance detestable.(NIV)
Revelation 11:18 - The nations were angry; and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great — and for destroying those who destroy the earth. "
Just yesterday afternoon I got in a conversation with a woman about the mess that the economy is in. Her sentiments are those of the Tea Party although she is not politically active. She is poor but for some reason she identifies with the wealthiest 10 percent because she owns her own home, which is quite modest. She does not get food stamps although I think her income (Social Security) is low enough that she would qualify. She is also very religious. All she does all day is watch preachers on television. Her solution to the economy, global warming, or really any other problem is, "Jesus will come back any day now, so we don't have to worry."

She's not alone either. I hear it all the time. Religious belief that we are living in the "End Times" has become an excuse not to even try to do anything about the world's problems.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#37088 Jul 17, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
What is it with you all and religion? I'm not religious. Having God in an oath really means nothing to me. It's just a word. But again, you have proven that the middle has moved far to the left when you are arguing that boys in girls' locker rooms or bathrooms is a non-issue. Ten years ago, if I had said that someday they will make laws like this, everyone would have said that's crazy talk.
Political correctness has evolved into our lives like it or not. As for Religion, those associated with the right usually hide behind religion as most conflicts in the world have religion as a component. It gives them a sense of morality to do totally immoral acts. For instance someone like Glen Beck a self confessed drunk, says he found God, so he makes statements wrapping them up in religion as if that is what God would do. Well to normal people, one might think that he found Satan instead. So yourself not being religious is the EXCEPTION not the rule. Political correctness is designed not to allow any form of persecution of a minority group. However it can turn into the fun police as well, like kids not being allowed to sing Christmas corals at school, or the local shopping mall not putting up Christmas decorations because it has a high Muslim population living in that area. At this point, it would have to be argued that a minority group is dictating to the masses. So there is no perfect balance with PC. The global warming debate was turned into a religious argument by the right labelling it a cult. So at every turn Religion comes up as a barricade to add emphasis to a political message. The Global Warming debate is no different than Darwin trying to sell his theory of evolution, it's still argued with today. Why because it might conflict with religious beliefs. Then you go into higher levels of science on how the universe was created etc with the likes of Stephen Hawking & others searching for the so called God particle is an example of man using advances in technology and knowledge with an open mind as it should be.
Not to dismiss acquired knowledge just because it conflicts with a lifestyle or a political culture of filtering facts.
David Harris

Johnson City, TN

#37089 Jul 17, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are going to use the Bible as your excuse to ignore environmental damage to the planet, you need to reread!
"Genesis 1:26 - Then God said,'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.'(NIV)
Leviticus 25:23-24 - The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants. Throughout the country that you hold as a possession, you must provide for the redemption of the land.(NIV)
Ezekial 34:2-4 - Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel; prophesy and say to them:'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the shepherds of Israel who only take care of themselves! Should not shepherds take care of the flock? You eat the curds, clothe yourselves with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you do not take care of the flock. You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured. You have not brought back the strays or searched for the lost. You have ruled them harshly and brutally.(NIV)
Isaiah 24:4-6 - The earth dries up and withers, the world languishes and withers, the exalted of the earth languish. The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth's inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left.(NIV)
Jeremiah 2:7 - I brought you into a fertile land to eat its fruit and rich produce. But you came and defiled my land and made my inheritance detestable.(NIV)
Revelation 11:18 - The nations were angry; and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great — and for destroying those who destroy the earth. "
No what I read was the meek shall inherit the earth? Isaiah 60:21
Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified......, and where I got my last statement from was
1.Genesis 8:22
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease

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