Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

[cricket]

those greeedy eeeeeevvillll oil companies
lol.
tell me another fairy tale....like mmcc !!!

who makes more profit from gas & oil?

http://www.youtube.com/embed/ffHS6sthF7M...

[PHD]

And the greedy politicians. Yes the global warming is speeding up in their pockets lined with our money.

[Brian_G]

PHD wrote:

You have issues doing the cut and paste thing your famous for.Do explain the above useless babble thing your doing.

The point is, you won't consume fossil fuel when you're dead, you won't emit greenhouse gas for long as you decompose. The point is, you'll conserve forever, you only live now.

[litesong]

steenking piddling middling mudling mudslinger brian_g stumble butt dumpstser diver wrote:

...... you won't emit greenhouse gas for long as you decompose.

You changed your original statement. But you're still wrong.

Other living biota will use your elements & substances to emit GHGs, as your body used other elements & substances to emit GHGs. Its called the balance of nature.

It is the elements & substances in oil that is being drawn from 8000 feet deep that is ADDING TOO QUICKLY to Earth's biosphere AND that scientists are showing is causing detrimental effects.

[Name]

Arne Marco wrote:

What we normally forget when talking about the amount of CO2, is the significance it has for the human (and other creatures) health. Above 425 ppm in the atmossphere the healthproblems will become more servere, because the blood will slowly be more acid. This will affect bloodpressure etc.
BTW: President Johnson was informed in 1965 about the dangers in increasing the amount of CO2.

Great info here ; thanks

[PHD]

Brian_G wrote:

<quoted text>The point is, you won't consume fossil fuel when you're dead, you won't emit greenhouse gas for long as you decompose. The point is, you'll conserve forever, you only live now.

Well your incorrect again. Those that elect to be frozen until a cure is discovered will use some sort of fossil fule or clean energy to keep them in a deep freeze.Also can you show all how you know we won't live forever.

[Brian_G]

PHD wrote:

Well your incorrect again. Those that elect to be frozen until a cure is discovered will use some sort of fossil fule or clean energy to keep them in a deep freeze.Also can you show all how you know we won't live forever.

^^^Those who believe catastrophic man made global warming alarmism believe in pseudoscience. See the science fiction blurb above for proof.

[PHD]

Brian_G wrote:

<quoted text>^^^Those who believe catastrophic man made global warming alarmism believe in pseudoscience. See the science fiction blurb above for proof.

It's all fiction until the scientist show otherwise. Then they find error make corrections to find more errors. Oh the expert forecaster’s climate changers predicted warm and sunny today. Their in error again it’s cloudy and cold.

[flack]

Is man so vain to think he can do something to a 5 billion year old planet? Let's see. The BP oil spill was out in the Gulf in water, what, a mile deep? The oil they were drilling for was another mile down. Now if I remember correctly oil is made from plants as is coal. Now that means where that oil is was once up in the good oh sunshine. Now how long do you think it took to get down there?

I was watching a show the other night on one of the science channels. Seems they found sea urchin fossils at the top of Mt Everest.

If you want to worry about something worry about Yellowstone. It is a far greater threat than climate change.

Really! Give it a rest. This planet can shake us off like water off a dog and keep on going another 5 billion years or more.

[PHD]

Watch more science shows. There are more than plants that decomposed to make oil.

[flack]

PHD wrote:

Watch more science shows. There are more than plants that decomposed to make oil.

Like algae? That takes even longer. The point was, anal retard, this planet has survived a lot more than a bunch of ants running around on it's skin.

[PHD]

flack wrote:

<quoted text> Like algae? That takes even longer. The point was, anal retard, this planet has survived a lot more than a bunch of ants running around on it's skin.

You must have been up there, my anal. You have no point well maybe the one above your shoulders. Oh more than algae ant your ants running around on it's skin. Try a little harder maybe read a book or go take a class on science.

[litesong]

cricket wrote:

those greeedy eeeeeevvillll oil companies
lol.
tell me another fairy tale....

Deepwater Horizon oil spill..........
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-11-28/t...

Exxon Valdez oil spoil........
http://www.google.com/search...

[litesong]

flack is ack acked wrote:

......this planet has survived a lot more than a bunch of ants running around on it's skin.

Yeah, the planet will survive, but the changes being brought to the Earth will diminish the people. Of course, your philosophy equates people to ants.

If we lived on a planet with the ratio of size of ants to the Earth, we would live on a planet ~4 diameters of the sun & the planet would weigh 1 million times the Earth. But we don't.

We build fires, build structures & build machines. One of our smaller machines, the car produces more energy than 1000+humans AND ~ one pound of CO2 per mile traveled. The problem with this man-machine CO2 created substance, is that we may create 3+ thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand KGs in the next 100 years(as we did the last 250 years), and that created CO2 continues to retain excess heat for ~100 years. Other GHGS are increasing, also.

Yes, it isn't animals or even us that is undoing climate. It is our created machines & salvaged oils, that we seem to worship, that is undoing the climate, which will progressively diverge from our last thousands of years of moderate climate.

[flack]

litesong wrote:

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Yeah, the planet will survive, but the changes being brought to the Earth will diminish the people. Of course, your philosophy equates people to ants.
If we lived on a planet with the ratio of size of ants to the Earth, we would live on a planet ~4 diameters of the sun & the planet would weigh 1 million times the Earth. But we don't.
We build fires, build structures & build machines. One of our smaller machines, the car produces more energy than 1000+humans AND ~ one pound of CO2 per mile traveled. The problem with this man-machine CO2 created substance, is that we may create 3+ thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand KGs in the next 100 years(as we did the last 250 years), and that created CO2 continues to retain excess heat for ~100 years. Other GHGS are increasing, also.
Yes, it isn't animals or even us that is undoing climate. It is our created machines & salvaged oils, that we seem to worship, that is undoing the climate, which will progressively diverge from our last thousands of years of moderate climate.

Yes and when the Yellowstone caldera erupts it won't matter spit. Science and free market ideas will solve the problem long before the government. 5Kw vertical wind turbines for home and business use along with much improve solar panels will be most of the answer. The big wind and solar farms are dinosaurs that will go the way of the 8-track. Hydrogen fuel cell and helium-3 fusion reactors are the future. My two favorites.

[PHD]

tina anne wrote:

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Actually a faster solution would be to set off all the nuclear weapons at once. All the worlds problems solved in just a few seconds. Kinda hard on the enviroment, espically if they were all detonated in one location.

You are a Less than a Box of Rocks.

[Patriot AKA Bozo]

flack wrote:

<quoted text> Yes and when the Yellowstone caldera erupts it won't matter spit. Science and free market ideas will solve the problem long before the government. 5Kw vertical wind turbines for home and business use along with much improve solar panels will be most of the answer. The big wind and solar farms are dinosaurs that will go the way of the 8-track. Hydrogen fuel cell and helium-3 fusion reactors are the future. My two favorites.

You may be right, but as I see it, most folks don't want to be bothered with involvement with personal energy sources. They are willing for someone else to provide them with their needs and don't want to get their hands dirty so to speak.

[flack]

Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:

<quoted text>
You may be right, but as I see it, most folks don't want to be bothered with involvement with personal energy sources. They are willing for someone else to provide them with their needs and don't want to get their hands dirty so to speak.

It will become a very real option once the electricity rates 'necessarily skyrocket' in the next few years.

[Northie]

Teddy R wrote:

<quoted text>Fracking a boon? Yes, it does seem fracking is curiously winning over a slowly-growing fan base among the Greenies. Sure, it's producing more effective progress in carbon reduction than the Euro-socialist carbon tax-and-trade schemes ... but at the cost of what other, more immediate and perhaps permanent, environmental damage? And it's really only carbon Methadone treatment - extending society's addiction to carbon-based fossil fuels ... It seems this whole "battle" you refer to isn't actually a righteous crusade to avert planet-wide environmental catastrophe for you, but merely the latest trendy flag of convenience under which you can tilt against your favorite windmill - EEEEeevul Big Ooooooiiilllll!!!

Correctamundo, CH4 is still carbon, and the methadone analogy is apt. However, leaving coal for gas that pollutes less than half as much is a huge step; a temporary bridge that gets us to solar and other solutions in decades ahead. With any luck, China and other Asian coal addicts will follow suit...especially if we refuse to ship them the vast new portions of Wyoming public lands that they want from us.

As for eeevul big oil, it wasn't always thus, and some companies such as Statoil, Shell and Conoco are actually headed in the right direction. However, most of the industry is national governments of sweet, altruistic nations like Iran, Russia, Turkmenistan, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria and Venezuela. For someone complaining about "socialist-statists" , you choose odd bedfellows.

Thanks for the Thanksgiving wishes, by the way. Hope yours was as fun as mine.

[litesong]

flack wrote:

Yes and when the Yellowstone caldera erupts it won't matter spit. Science and free market ideas will solve the problem long before the government. 5Kw vertical wind turbines for home and business use along with much improve solar panels will be most of the answer. The big wind and solar farms are dinosaurs that will go the way of the 8-track. Hydrogen fuel cell and helium-3 fusion reactors are the future. My two favorites.

Can't do nuthin 'bout Yellowstone,'cept enjoy it, till it explodes(been there 4 times). You got info that it'll blow in the next 50 years, 100 years, 500 years? Percentage-wise, its down the road further than AGW effects.

As for 'personal' wind mills..... they can't get a quarter of the efficiency, have less longevity, higher maintenance, need more insurance & kill more birds per kilowatt-hr than tall wind turbine farms. Maybe community wind turbines might work. But even they will need tech expertise the general community doesn't have, since wind turbine tech is leap-frogging forward.

Meanwhile our Pacific Northwest wind turbines have integrated very well with our hydro-electric dams.