Voters mull economy in school district elections

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Proposed tax increases this year are relatively low on Long Island after lawmakers poured state aid into school district coffers. Full Story
Mcfly

Baldwin, NY

#66 May 21, 2008
Lindy Mom wrote:
I just could not vote yes and watch my taxes skyrocket yet again. Meanwhile all the kids from the illegal apartments on my street (at least 4 apartments) get to go to school "free" on my dime! I have been without a union contract for 2yrs - without a raise to offset the rise in the cost of living - another tax increase will force me to leave the home I love!
Lindy Mom - You are RIGHT ON about the illegal apartments and such. What we need to do is have the Village crack down on this, and of course they will not. Lindenhurst Village is all about patronage.. for example at last night's village board Meeting, Lou Dietz, chairman of the local Republican party, was hired at an annual salary of $18,000 as a "community advisor" for the village.(Oh, by the way, he's about to turn 65, so guess what, lifetime benefits on the village dime...) and nobody is sure what he's supposed to do. They talk about caracking down, but on my block, I have 3 illegal apartments, and hot dog truck, an oil truck, and a car that leaks more oil on the street than I use in my cars over a year's time.
But I voted yes, because the budget this year is the leanest it's been in a long time, and our costs are out of control, primarily due to teachers' union wages, benefits, and costs. So if you have children, please be prepared for larger classes, no summer school, no middle school sports, and no JV sports.
Frustrated Taxpayer

Syosset, NY

#67 May 21, 2008
I love it when the people say "your hurting the future of children." It's NEVER about the children, its about greedy administrators who want to "double dip" by receiving pensions and salaries at the same time.
I am sick of the teachers keep complaining about their salaries and their pensions. The taxpayers pay for their health insurance and their pension contributions. I don't understand how majority of school boards are complied of people who are inexperience, unqualified, and have alliances with their local teachers union. The school board should be an independent system filled with attorneys and accountants. School districts should be ran by business professionals not people with 4 different administrative degrees. IN TIMES OF RECESSIONS, SCHOOL DISTRICTS MUST BE CONSOLIDATED TO CUT COSTS!! The state can't bail out the LI school districts much longer. I hope we see change real soon!
Championship

United States

#68 May 21, 2008
Mcfly wrote:
<quoted text>
Lindy Mom - You are RIGHT ON about the illegal apartments and such. What we need to do is have the Village crack down on this, and of course they will not. Lindenhurst Village is all about patronage.. for example at last night's village board Meeting, Lou Dietz, chairman of the local Republican party, was hired at an annual salary of $18,000 as a "community advisor" for the village.(Oh, by the way, he's about to turn 65, so guess what, lifetime benefits on the village dime...) and nobody is sure what he's supposed to do. They talk about caracking down, but on my block, I have 3 illegal apartments, and hot dog truck, an oil truck, and a car that leaks more oil on the street than I use in my cars over a year's time.
But I voted yes, because the budget this year is the leanest it's been in a long time, and our costs are out of control, primarily due to teachers' union wages, benefits, and costs. So if you have children, please be prepared for larger classes, no summer school, no middle school sports, and no JV sports.
You are correct with the no sports and larger classes. You can add no transportation to that as well. I can understand if you have no kids in school and vote no. But i cant understand how people vote no when they do have children in the school.

Since: Jan 07

Wantagh, NY

#69 May 21, 2008
Bill1154 wrote:
<quoted text>
I love when people play that card. The law mandates that the children will get their education and transportation regardless of the the vote results. Austerity cuts alot of the stuff that "everyone" shouldn't be paying for in the first place. Want your kid to be a football star or tuba player? You should pay. But our kids will get their education regardless.
my dad votes no every year and my mom voted no this year for the first time. i think its hilarious, but i only have 14 days left of high school. then two years of college, but that beats the hell out of High School.

HOOAH!
Unbelievable

Queens Village, NY

#70 May 21, 2008
ANYONE that thinks it's 'FOR THE KIDS' does not understant that the system is so broke, so corrupt that it needs to be entirely scrapped and reworked.
Unbelievable that ANYONE can justify double-dipping by saying 'well, it is legal' or $140k office for a Super is not bad, or Teachers in some school already making 100k+. Yeah, that is ALL for the kids.
Anyone that didn't vote should not be here complaining, the broken, corrupt system, thanks to the UNIONS and 'its for the kids' School boards have won again.
Although my district, that I'm registered to vote in, FAILED!
For the kids....who will NOT be living here after graduating because the heard of SHEEP Long Island parents keep voting yes to accept the HIGH taxes that your kids will NEVER be able to afford unless they move back into their old bedrooms or into the basement of the home they grew up in! Perhaps that is what those parents want? Not to let go of their kids ever and keep them at home.
The scam goes on....and on...and on...
Southbound

Overland Park, KS

#71 May 21, 2008
Lets not forget the kids wrote:
I just love it when I see people vote no on their school taxes because their gas and food prices are too high. That makes a lot of sense.... lets take out our frustration on the children.
I hope everyone who uses children as pawns remembers the children will someday be our leaders and vote on issues effecting us. I hope our future leaders can show greater compassion and integrity to us then we have to them.
Yo, moron.... the NO votes are because of year-after-year of school tax increases that double or triple the rate of inflation and of the tax payer's own wage increases. It is a NO to fiscal irresponsibility. It is a NO to administrative double-dipping; it is a NO to teacher's unions. You clearly don't get it... but you appear to be in the company of many sheepeople.
Since 90% of the district votes passed, this will be my last post on the subject. My place goes onto the market and I am moving my family away. Long Islanders are too stupid to even try to help themselves. I'll go somewhere there isn't 'institionalized corruption' as an accepted practice. Good luck to all who remain.
Mcfly

Baldwin, NY

#72 May 21, 2008
sdhfksd wrote:
<quoted text>
what i don't understand is how lindy district said that they were planning on 14-22 job cuts (teacher, not admin) because enrollment was down. 14 if the budget passed and 22 if it didn't. so, now that it didn't pass and 22 teacher's jobs will be cut, why can't they take those salaries that will no longer be paid and reallocate them to the other teachers still working? why do jobs have to get cut and our taxes increase. if they're cutting jobs, our taxes should be decreasing since there are less salaries to be paid...
we shouldn't worry too much though. enrollment will continue to drop rapidly if the young people continue moving away from the island. soon we will be paying taxes for only illegals to be attending our schools. then we'll really have something to complain about. keep voting yes everyone... like i said in my other post - i was proud to go vote no last night, being a first time homeowner. it's completely crazy how everyone complains yet almost all budgets passed.
so you're prouod to vote no, huh? Did you even take the time to attend a budget presentation and ask what it was you were voting on? First time homeowner? Have kids yet? Well, when/if you do, and they start going to kindergarten, think about what you've done. Because then, all of a sudden, you'll be angered by someone doing as you've just done. Clearly, by the nature of your moronic comments above regarding reallocation of salary, you have no clue what you're voting on.
It's a tough situation that school boards are in, because no matter how much they try to cut costs, and believe me, they do, they exist in a NY state system where the cards are ALL stacked against them. The laws are set such that teachers' unions have the upper hand in bargaining, and even if not, the union will spen huge sums of money to get "their candidates" elected to the board, and once their contracts are signed, no "NO" vote in the world can change them. Of your 5.25% tax increase, over 4% of that went to increased costs due to teacher benefits & salary. An additional $15 million of your budget is spent on unfunded mandates - that is, things the district must do by law, but are given no money to do it with. For example, did you know that every teacher in the district, by state law, must be given 4 hours paid time off each year for a mammogram? Time the district must pay a substitute, as well as the salary? Please, don't tell me teachers work so much they can't schedule this after 330pm?

So think a little before you vote. Or at least get the facts straight. Better yet, move.
sdhfksd

New Hyde Park, NY

#73 May 21, 2008
Vote_NO wrote:
I did it for the children...
....I VOTED NO.
Where the hell are "the children" going to live when they graduate college in 10-15 years? Certainly NOT on Tax Island where property taxes on a small house will be over 20K a year because you azzssszszholes kept voting yes on the school budgets.
What morons.
Private schools put out smarter and better behaved kids for MUCH less money.
who's the moron here?- private schools only cost extra $$, beyond the crazy taxes we are already paying. they do not produce a more intelligent child. that depends on the teachers & the student's upbringing and determination to succeed - all of which are few and far between these days. all the teachers worry about is getting tenure and the students are too busy on their cell phones and defacing private property, as has been the case in lindy lately (i'm sure those from the area know the lovely artwork on the fences that has been popping up & cars that have been egged). wonderful school systems and parental guidance the children are getting these days.
By Your Leave

Tucson, AZ

#74 May 21, 2008
You people had your chance...and you blew it!!!...Now you can PAY PAY PAY...For the children...My A$$
Big Bob

Brooklyn, NY

#75 May 21, 2008
Pfluger the Union Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, look at the turnouts. Very few people voted. VERY FEW.
Interested parties are driving the vote. Look forward to $90-100K average teacher salaries soon. Its coming.
I'm going to assume you understand that the school budget vote has absolutely Zero to do with teacher salaries. Is your point that if you vote down the school budget 3 or 4 years in a row, maybe the next teacher contract will be negotiated differently?
Mcfly

Baldwin, NY

#76 May 21, 2008
Championship wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct with the no sports and larger classes. You can add no transportation to that as well. I can understand if you have no kids in school and vote no. But i cant understand how people vote no when they do have children in the school.
Champ - I still remember when I was a kid - a failed budget meant "austerity", and no buses. Was it a pain in the neck? yes. But program for kids did not suffer, and I still believe it's the right thing to do.
By Your Leave

Tucson, AZ

#77 May 21, 2008
Newsday...how about A $ $...does that satisfy your PC bull..S..H....I....T
Lindy Mom

Wappingers Falls, NY

#78 May 21, 2008
Mcfly wrote:
<quoted text>
Lindy Mom - You are RIGHT ON about the illegal apartments and such. What we need to do is have the Village crack down on this, and of course they will not. Lindenhurst Village is all about patronage.. for example at last night's village board Meeting, Lou Dietz, chairman of the local Republican party, was hired at an annual salary of $18,000 as a "community advisor" for the village.(Oh, by the way, he's about to turn 65, so guess what, lifetime benefits on the village dime...) and nobody is sure what he's supposed to do. They talk about caracking down, but on my block, I have 3 illegal apartments, and hot dog truck, an oil truck, and a car that leaks more oil on the street than I use in my cars over a year's time.
But I voted yes, because the budget this year is the leanest it's been in a long time, and our costs are out of control, primarily due to teachers' union wages, benefits, and costs. So if you have children, please be prepared for larger classes, no summer school, no middle school sports, and no JV sports.
Believe me I have tried to address the illegal apartment issue with the village - unfortunately, when the home owners are in line with the village officials - it is like hitting a brick wall.
Fortunately, my child is off to a very good college - with the help of private tutors (I shold have sent my child to St. Anthony's when I had the chance), quality of teaching is not where it should be - H.S. social studies teachers who are scatter brained twits, but her husband is head of the dept. so she cannot be fired for incompetence! I do not have to rely on the Lindenhurst School system anymore!
Good luck to the rest of you!
Mike

Brooklyn, NY

#79 May 21, 2008
As a teacher myself, I would NEVER vote for a school budget. Just work in a school for a few years and see firsthand how much money is wasted on consultants, repairs to the offices of high ranking administrators, or stolen. Kids will get their education, transportation etc. regardless. However, austerity will just mean that you will have to pay for what you should have had to pay for any way. Case in point, how much money do the parents of kids pay for music lessons or pitching and hitting lessons or on equipment for their kids to play sports?
this was why

Queens Village, NY

#80 May 21, 2008
anonymous wrote:
Now people of Long Island. Can you see what happened here. The way they kept down the spending this year why couldn't they do it other years. Also, many of you complain about taxes, gas, etc... but yet everyone votes "yes". This was a way to make a statement and vote "no" across the board. All accross Long Island we should have voted "no". Except, everyone votes "yes". So the public contributes to our inflation and high taxes. Keep bitching and complaining but doing nothing to stop it.
They DID NOT keep spending down this year, NY Senators FOUGHT for MORE State Aid this year for Long Island, that is the ONLY reason it appears as if spending was kept down. Go back to earlier in the year, you will see that AID was increased from the state. So, please don't think they cut anything, they got more money from the state and STILL had the audacity to ask for more.
WHY DO THEY ASK FOR MORE? Because the SHEEP keep giving it to them.
Apparently the Brain Drain that they keep talking about on Long Island is well on its way...as people really seem to think "it's for the kids".
NYC

Monmouth Junction, NJ

#81 May 21, 2008
NYC wrote:
<quoted text>
Boo hooo
Kick the illegals out of the district and use the money wasted on ESL classes for a better use.
Take this as your first real life lesson, you can't always get what you want if there is no money in the bank for it.
no now we can't call "day laborers" by their true names? please

Patchogue has too many kids in the district that aren't legal citizens, how much of a burden are they on the system?
Pfluger the Union Monkey

Boston, MA

#82 May 21, 2008
Already Taxed Out wrote:
its amazing how many complain about high taxes, but then VOTE YES to raise them. the irony
Actually, I would say they complain, but then don't bother showing up. Look at the amazingly low turnout.

The teachers and their spouses are now approving the budgets.
mom of 3

United States

#83 May 21, 2008
And another thing. Why are people that don't own houses allowed to vote on the school budgets. Students or kids or parents living in the houses shouldn't be allowed to vote. The homeowners and the ones being directly affected should be the only ones voting. The students almost always vote yes and that screws everything up. Why do you think the vote is on May 20th people, b/c colleges are out by then and the kids are home. Stupid.
Pfluger the Union Monkey

Boston, MA

#85 May 21, 2008
Southbound wrote:
<quoted text>
Yo, moron.... the NO votes are because of year-after-year of school tax increases that double or triple the rate of inflation and of the tax payer's own wage increases. It is a NO to fiscal irresponsibility. It is a NO to administrative double-dipping; it is a NO to teacher's unions. You clearly don't get it... but you appear to be in the company of many sheepeople.
Since 90% of the district votes passed, this will be my last post on the subject. My place goes onto the market and I am moving my family away. Long Islanders are too stupid to even try to help themselves. I'll go somewhere there isn't 'institionalized corruption' as an accepted practice. Good luck to all who remain.
Smart move. Avoid other highly unionized states like NJ or California. Fla isn't a tax haven any longer either. Wherever there are large, very power unions, the politicians are puppets, beholden to their interests above all else (despite the lies they occassionally tell about being concerned about taxes, usually just prior to an election).

There are many states which offer superior service to LI, with far lower taxes, less crime and congestion.

If you're like me, though, you'll miss the east-end beaches quite a bit. LI has the best beaches.
Pfluger the Union Monkey

Boston, MA

#86 May 21, 2008
Big Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm going to assume you understand that the school budget vote has absolutely Zero to do with teacher salaries. Is your point that if you vote down the school budget 3 or 4 years in a row, maybe the next teacher contract will be negotiated differently?
Of course I realize that. The budget vote is purely symbolic. The cost drivers are the union contracts, negotiated in the dark. I've been saying that forever.

The vote is the only tool the taxpayers have, though.

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