Fired nurses accuse Fairview Southdal...

Fired nurses accuse Fairview Southdale Hospital of age discrimi...

There are 105 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 30, 2008, titled Fired nurses accuse Fairview Southdale Hospital of age discrimi.... In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Fairview Southdale Hospital in Edina is facing a federal age-discrimination complaint because it is firing 25 nurses - and 23 of them are older veteran nurses.

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“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#87 Nov 14, 2008
Hospital jockey wrote:
<quoted text>
I have not been around the site for quite sometime. Looks as if things are pretty much how I left it. MSO4, you are one of a kind! But do not mistake that as a compliment. You LOL at the expense of these 26 folks. Real nice. Instant Karma may get you! By the way, save your comments, I have no time to respond.
Anyway the lawsuit is actually going quite well from what I understand. Like any lawsuit it may be two to three years before it is settled. Fairview, from the few sources I still have is having a rough go. Would love to hear from those still at Southdale Fairview for comments.
Has anybody heard the story that the individual who put together the LPN firings has herself been fired? If true it could not have happened to more deserving gal. If not true, it’s still a nice thought.
Fairview is the target of a local News programs investigation concerning its transplant center at the UofM Hospital. Seems they may have bungled the handling of more than a few on the Heart recipient list. To make matters worse it is centered on its Children’s Transplant Center. Lives have been lost. Was it the fault of Fairview Administration errors? The investigation continues.
I hope the LPNs involved have moved on and found jobs. It’s a tough economy (insert any Bush Joke here) and it’s not looking to get better anytime soon. Take care all and have a great Holiday Season.
No slick, I lol at a individual who posts using multiple ID's. Maybe if you took the time to read instead of wishing every kind of evil there is to befall Fairview, things might go better for you. Wow, you are so bitter.
Hospital Jockey

Santa Rosa Beach, FL

#88 Nov 14, 2008
MSO4 wrote:
<quoted text>No slick, I lol at a individual who posts using multiple ID's. Maybe if you took the time to read instead of wishing every kind of evil there is to befall Fairview, things might go better for you. Wow, you are so bitter.
"BTW, how is that lawsuit coming? lol"
You typed it sir, can't make it up. That comment speaks to all the LPN's involved.

As far as Fairview is concerned, they do need to be taken down a peg or two. I made a comment here awhile back predicting the downfall of the Administrator who initiated the firings. I have been around the block a few times. I am familiar with the situation and do not like what I see. And knock off the slick crap. You don't know me, have a little respect.

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#89 Nov 14, 2008
Hospital Jockey wrote:
<quoted text>
"BTW, how is that lawsuit coming? lol"
You typed it sir, can't make it up. That comment speaks to all the LPN's involved.
As far as Fairview is concerned, they do need to be taken down a peg or two. I made a comment here awhile back predicting the downfall of the Administrator who initiated the firings. I have been around the block a few times. I am familiar with the situation and do not like what I see. And knock off the slick crap. You don't know me, have a little respect.
And you ask for respect slick. HL stated "MSO4, you are one of a kind! But do not mistake that as a compliment". Now who started it? Look in the mirror for the answer.

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#90 Nov 14, 2008
Edit to say HJ stated.
kally

United States

#91 Nov 17, 2008
Read MN Board of Nursing web site. LPN's aren't legally autorized to supervise anyone. Go to web site and put in LPN supervisor.
Sure whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I am in my last semester of RN classes right now at a well-known nursing school and we started with over 60 students in my class. Yes, I had to wait on a waiting list for a couple years, but it will be totally worth it when I finish.
I also had an opportunity to do a clinical rotation at Fairview-Riverside. One of the nurses that I was paired with happened to be an LPN. She was really good and knew what she was doing. But I was a little uncomfortable knowing that I was being supervised by an LPN. Only because BY LAW as an LPN, there are certain skills/procedures she was unable to do. Administering blood transfusions or blood products is one of them. Fairview is actually the only hospital (that I know of) that still employs LPN's as floor nurses. I don't think this is discrimination. I agree with other posters in saying that patients that are in the hospital are a lot sicker than they used to be. They are requiring a higher level of care than they used to be and LPN's can't provide that.
kally

United States

#92 Nov 17, 2008
It's because the pay for instructors is poor. Nurses can make more money as a staff nurse.
kelly wrote:
I must correct your statement by reporting to you and readers that RN programs in the twin cities take on average 60-80 students each fall. You are correct that there is a critical shortage of nursing faculty as well. I encourage you to complete your degree. Good Luck.

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#93 Nov 17, 2008
kally wrote:
Read MN Board of Nursing web site. LPN's aren't legally autorized to supervise anyone. Go to web site and put in LPN supervisor.
<quoted text>
This post will surely rile somone up.

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#94 Nov 17, 2008
edit to say someone
kally

United States

#95 Nov 21, 2008
Mr D wrote:
With a shortage of nurses. its surprising that LPN''s are not needed by the medical community and have become outdated. It would be interesting to know if the program is being offered by our local schools and what the placement rate is.
In my opinion the group is being discriminated against.
LPN is still offered by schools. Clinics, Nursing Homes etc. still employ LPN's. LPN's are great nurses and employers don't have to pay them as much as an RN.
PRN

United States

#96 Nov 23, 2008
Getting back to the subject at hand, not English 101. The reason for the layoff, according to the Chief Nursing Officer, was patient acuity. My concern is if patients are leaving the hospital at the same level of acuity as when they arrived, there is a malfunction in the care given across the board. It's not just that LPN's cannot be utilized. I am standing behind the fact that I was fired for age discrimination.

Hospital Jockey:The person who wrote the document describing the LPN "scope of practice" quit before she was layed off and rumor has it she is now working as a staff RN at FV-Riverside.
PRN

United States

#97 Nov 23, 2008
Sure whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I am in my last semester of RN classes right now at a well-known nursing school and we started with over 60 students in my class. Yes, I had to wait on a waiting list for a couple years, but it will be totally worth it when I finish.
I also had an opportunity to do a clinical rotation at Fairview-Riverside. One of the nurses that I was paired with happened to be an LPN. She was really good and knew what she was doing. But I was a little uncomfortable knowing that I was being supervised by an LPN. Only because BY LAW as an LPN, there are certain skills/procedures she was unable to do. Administering blood transfusions or blood products is one of them. Fairview is actually the only hospital (that I know of) that still employs LPN's as floor nurses. I don't think this is discrimination. I agree with other posters in saying that patients that are in the hospital are a lot sicker than they used to be. They are requiring a higher level of care than they used to be and LPN's can't provide that.
My thought is that this LPN probably had more EXPERIENCE than most of the other nurses, including RN's, on the floor. She probably didn't ask to supervise you. The LPN's supervisor asked her because they knew she was the best one for the job! Experience is the the ultimate teacher!
PRN

United States

#98 Nov 23, 2008
MSO4 wrote:
<quoted text>This post will surely rile somone up.
I responded to "whatever" when I should have responded to you. The LPN who was chosen to "supervise" was chosen by her nurse manager would be my guess because she was the best qualified to do the job. EXPERIENCE can never replace book smart! I was an LPN at FSH for 30 years before the layoff. I had RN's come to me several times during my shift to ask my opinion about nursing care and general questions. Bottom line is an LPN is always supervised by an RN. If the RN being trained was uncomfortable being supervised by an LPN, she should have said something. Excuse me for being a bit defensive, but this is my lifelong career we are talking about. FSH took that away from me. I loved where I worked. I started as a new grad and truly thought I would retire from the same place. Now, that's not going to happen.
Scuba

De Forest, WI

#99 Nov 23, 2008
After next semester I will have all my generals done to enter one of many health programs at cvtc. Unfortunately they all have waiting lists. I know RN is a couple of years and surgical technologist has a wait until 2013. Tick tock...

“Jaywalking”

Since: Oct 08

Minneapolis, MN

#100 Nov 23, 2008
Stop Making things up wrote:
<quoted text>
What LPN makes $80k a year, you dope?
The $80K is salary + benefits

“Jaywalking”

Since: Oct 08

Minneapolis, MN

#101 Nov 23, 2008
kally wrote:
It's because the pay for instructors is poor. Nurses can make more money as a staff nurse. <quoted text>
If the Nursing Instructor pay was increased to $110,000 (Monday-Friday, which leaves the Nurse Instructor to freelance on the weekends), the shortage of Nursing Instructors would disappear, and the number of Nursing students (new students and LPNs seeking the RN degree)would increase. What a great thing it would be to have an LPN with 15 years experience return to RN school, graduate as an RN, and return to the workforce.

Everyone wins.

“Jaywalking”

Since: Oct 08

Minneapolis, MN

#102 Nov 23, 2008
Another reason that the Hospitals are cutting back on staff is due to patients who are either uninsured or underinsured.

The hospitals have to absorb those costs.

Currently the Park Nicollet system has $30 million in unpaid bills. North Memorial has $70 million in unpaid bills.

Something has got to give and unfortunately, it is the workers.

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#103 Nov 23, 2008
Jaywalking wrote:
Another reason that the Hospitals are cutting back on staff is due to patients who are either uninsured or underinsured.
The hospitals have to absorb those costs.
Currently the Park Nicollet system has $30 million in unpaid bills. North Memorial has $70 million in unpaid bills.
Something has got to give and unfortunately, it is the workers.
Thanks to MD's who practice defensive medicine, and order ever lab and radiographic test there is on someone with no insurance. If you present with lower Abd. pain to the ER you will get the entire battery of test there are. Because of the fear of being sued. Pathetic.

“Jaywalking”

Since: Oct 08

Minneapolis, MN

#104 Nov 23, 2008
MSO4 wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks to MD's who practice defensive medicine, and order ever lab and radiographic test there is on someone with no insurance. If you present with lower Abd. pain to the ER you will get the entire battery of test there are. Because of the fear of being sued. Pathetic.
Agreed.
kally

United States

#105 Dec 30, 2008
Ryan wrote:
Response to William Mitchell Grad:
23 of the 25 nurses are 40+ years of age
Avg age of age-protected nurses is 57
Avg years of service of 22
It would of been more fair and less degrading if the Fairview LPN's would of been offered a position where they could still practice as LPN's such as clinic etc. if not at the hospital. Fairview system has clinics and other facilities.
wonderwoman

United States

#106 Jan 1, 2009
Southdale does want magnant status which applies to only 4 year RN's. When I attended nursing school for my Associate Degree they refused to hire me unless I was a 4 year grad BSN. I don't understand what the difference is in bedside nursing from a Assoc. degree verses a BSN degree except maybe in management. You technically can do the same things. Does anyone else know the diffrence between the two?
dmf wrote:
I found sammy boy' comment very interesting and informative. I can't believe that the hospital would ask these LPN"s to take a salary cut, but I'm sure it is true. I can't help but wonder if Fairview Southdale is applying for magnant status, which is a coveted status symbal awarded to hospitals that employ only RN care for patients, I believe. Also, where would the hospital have been in the 80's when the RN strike happened, without the LPN's. RN,s have a lot of power and it is justified as the hopital can not function without them. Also, just a quick thought on all the comments from people on the reality of pink slips in the work place these days. I find it sad that as a nation we are becoming complaicent to this and take it so matter of fact. This hospital had other option's they could have used that would be a lot kinder and caring toward their dedicated employee's who had been there best bargain for all those years.

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