'Romanians take the jobs Britons on w...

'Romanians take the jobs Britons on welfare shun': The UK should be grateful says Bucharest minister

There are 309 comments on the Daily Mail story from Dec 3, 2013, titled 'Romanians take the jobs Britons on welfare shun': The UK should be grateful says Bucharest minister. In it, Daily Mail reports that:

Britain should be grateful that Romanians and Bulgarians take jobs shunned by local workers, according to a senior minister in Bucharest.

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rio

London, UK

#140 Dec 7, 2013
Krypteia wrote:
Sooner have twenty Petru than one Abdul Rio...
Lucky you, big girl's blouse !!! LOL

Since: May 11

Reghin, Romania

#141 Dec 7, 2013
Mary782 wrote:
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Yes it is valid for all non industralized countries. So you have to be very stupid to join a common market that you have no chance of competing on. Your companies will go bankrupt, you will go into debt to pay for imports and then your state will go bankrupt and be forced to give up whatever assets are left.
Perhaps yes, perhaps not. I am still waiting for your better proposal. In general, worldwide we need a better social and economical model. Should I understand you are owner of this golden bird?
Mary782 wrote:
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Germans controlled Hungary but they never controlled Rumania. What are you talking about?
German dinasty, Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen, before the communists, of course, German controlled government(i.e. Ion Antonescu). I am talking about a status before and during WW II.

Since: Apr 12

Gdansk, Poland

#142 Dec 7, 2013
Petru wrote:
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Once more, Italy was part of the kernel who was the ancestor of the European Union. You cannot claim a country like for example Italy did that just for the sake of getting something for free, unless you really know absolutely anything about Italy.
No not Italy. But almost every Eastern European country that joined did it because they wanted a free ride.
Petru wrote:
Because this was most probably not a priority of their governments. I am not a Greek to give you the good answer here.
It's the same pattern all over Southern Europe (Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal). Their industry could not compete with German industry so they had to borrow money to pay for imports and budget deficits. They became less competitive over time not more competitive.
Petru wrote:
Spain was, but still seemingly not enough. Again, my limits are here, I cannot talk more, as I am no Spaniard to be able to tell you the real situation there. I do not trust only the media at this point.
If Spain could not catch up economically in 30 years what makes you think that Rumania could? If Spain went bankrupt why wouldn't Rumania?
Petru wrote:
Sorry, read about your North, darling: Norway was not industrialised before the discovery of oil and it is still not, Denmark was always mostly an agricultural country, only Sweden was more industrialised and even that mostly in the South, because in the North it was nothing more than coal. You can call that industrialisation, if you wish so, but... it is of a more limited scale. And you also know well that in Sweden entire towns from the North were moved in the South.
Still, all these countries were more conservative with their money and with credits. You cannot develop yourself out of credits, at private or at public scale neither. This was the error made in the South, they launched themselves into high crediting.
Norway, Denmark and Sweden were already industrialised countries/modern economies when they joined. The reason they were asked to join is that they would be net contributors and help to pay for the net recipients in Southern Europe.
Petru wrote:
On the other hand, look at Iceland, they did the same, worse they did lots of money speculations, taking credits for only this sake. Which is even crazier.
And you forget me Ireland here. Ireland was also not so industrialised and suffered some difficulties. Again, I am not an Irishman to be able to tell what is the situation now, in depth, but it seems like improving.
Ireland used EU funds to lower corporate taxes to get companies to move there.

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#144 Dec 7, 2013
True European wrote:
Petru, dont bother anymore. The Gipsy ,actually, fit very well in UK. They dont know it yet, the Britons, but they are similar shity peoples. just see their people and tabloids and you get the whole picture . They are like brothers and the gipsy king and the british royal family can put it for a marriage and great alliance.
Both retards, both shitty.
Says the true Romanian gippo.

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#145 Dec 7, 2013
True European wrote:
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When the british ”press” and ”politicians” use too much shit...
When the Romanian government send us their shiit you mean.

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#146 Dec 7, 2013
Krypteia wrote:
Sooner have twenty Petru than one Abdul Rio...
I don't grade either very much. I suppose we all know the Roma's will rob us blind whereas the Muslims rob us while smiling sweetly and telling us they are tolerant and peaceful.
True European

Craiova, Romania

#147 Dec 7, 2013
supersonic boom wrote:
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Says the true Romanian gippo.
Fly low. You.Good luck.

Since: May 11

Reghin, Romania

#148 Dec 7, 2013
Darling, some times I have the feeling you are confusing the fashion magazine with a history book.
Otherwise, you could not have more messed up points of view.

There is a large difference among any Eastern European country and Spain or Portugal. When the latter joined, their industry was smaller, but when the Eastern EU countries join, their industry was really large. I mean, really, do you think I am born yesterday and I do not know how much was invested in the communist times in our industry? That in moment 1989, much of it was in competition with the Western European and immediately after, it was bought or closed down to cut down such competition? I mean you said it yourself earlier. If there would have been no industry, why something could be shutdown? Take care here, you are contradicting yourself.

And you completely misunderstood the role of the European Union. The point is to unite Europe, to create an unique market and an unique economical power on the world map and for that you need unification, not separation, as much as Russia hates this.
And as much as some countries in the North narcissistically believe they have the only role to pay for the South and now for the East, it is wrong. EU is not a club of welfare for anyone, but an association in being meaningul in a mondialised economy.
Mary782 wrote:
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No not Italy. But almost every Eastern European country that joined did it because they wanted a free ride.
<quoted text>
It's the same pattern all over Southern Europe (Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal). Their industry could not compete with German industry so they had to borrow money to pay for imports and budget deficits. They became less competitive over time not more competitive.
<quoted text>
If Spain could not catch up economically in 30 years what makes you think that Rumania could? If Spain went bankrupt why wouldn't Rumania?
<quoted text>
Norway, Denmark and Sweden were already industrialised countries/modern economies when they joined. The reason they were asked to join is that they would be net contributors and help to pay for the net recipients in Southern Europe.
<quoted text>
Ireland used EU funds to lower corporate taxes to get companies to move there.

Since: May 11

Reghin, Romania

#149 Dec 7, 2013
supersonic boom wrote:
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I don't grade either very much. I suppose we all know the Roma's will rob us blind whereas the Muslims rob us while smiling sweetly and telling us they are tolerant and peaceful.
Nobody is asking you anything. So, why stick your nose in, like a fly in the sh.it?

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#150 Dec 7, 2013
Petru wrote:
So, what are you proving by your post?
I`m trying to say `many Brits on welfare don`t like stealing that`s why Romanians steal instead of them`. Do you get it now.
rio

Bromley, UK

#151 Dec 7, 2013
supersonic boom wrote:
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I don't grade either very much. I suppose we all know the Roma's will rob us blind whereas the Muslims rob us while smiling sweetly and telling us they are tolerant and peaceful.
Are there any people you don't hate?

Or has xenophobia taken over all of your two brain cells?

Since: May 11

Reghin, Romania

#152 Dec 7, 2013
just a guy i knew wrote:
<quoted text>I`m trying to say `many Brits on welfare don`t like stealing that`s why Romanians steal instead of them`. Do you get it now.
Oh really? Based on what? On your perception? Or on a feeling you have under your right elbow?

Since: Apr 12

Gdansk, Poland

#153 Dec 8, 2013
Petru wrote:
There is a large difference among any Eastern European country and Spain or Portugal. When the latter joined, their industry was smaller, but when the Eastern EU countries join, their industry was really large. I mean, really, do you think I am born yesterday and I do not know how much was invested in the communist times in our industry? That in moment 1989, much of it was in competition with the Western European and immediately after, it was bought or closed down to cut down such competition? I mean you said it yourself earlier. If there would have been no industry, why something could be shutdown? Take care here, you are contradicting yourself.
Rumanian industry was low on the value chain. So I don't see how your argument is relevant.
Petru wrote:
And you completely misunderstood the role of the European Union. The point is to unite Europe, to create an unique market and an unique economical power on the world map and for that you need unification, not separation, as much as Russia hates this.
If you can't compete on the common market then why would you be part of it? It doesn't make any sense.

Since: May 11

Reghin, Romania

#154 Dec 8, 2013
Mary782 wrote:
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Rumanian industry was low on the value chain. So I don't see how your argument is relevant.
And yet again another hoax.
What is the basis of your statement, dear? None, just some opinion, as good or as bad as anyone else's.
Sorry to disappoint you, but Romania had many business partners before 1989 and markets who were buying lots of stuff from us. How do you think the public debt was ENTIRELY paid in November 1989? By taking things from people? Come on, let us not be that naive, as you know this alone could not have covered for everything.
Again, I agree to an earlier statement of your's and that was a number of large companies in Western Europe did not enjoy competition from the Eastern side, so they preferred buying in or discredit their competitors' value on the market.
Mary782 wrote:
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If you can't compete on the common market then why would you be part of it? It doesn't make any sense.
And how should I interpret this statement? Like a sort of "Fu.ck off!"? Let me say in this case: "Likeways for yourself!".

If not and you have another view of how things should work in Europe, in a mondialised world, where the competition is with economies of the size of US, Japan, China, I am looking forward to see it, as I already mentioned before.

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#155 Dec 8, 2013
Petru wrote:
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Nobody is asking you anything. So, why stick your nose in, like a fly in the sh.it?
Oh Petru, there was I thinking this was an open forum for anyone to make a reasonable comment at our leisure.

Go stick your head back in the cow dung like a good little boy and one day you might look decent enough to take your mask off in public without making the babies cry.

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#156 Dec 8, 2013
rio wrote:
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Are there any people you don't hate?
Or has xenophobia taken over all of your two brain cells?
Welcome back Rio. I was just saying this page could do with another idiot to join Petru and lo and behold you turn up.

Since: Apr 12

Gdansk, Poland

#157 Dec 8, 2013
Petru wrote:
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And yet again another hoax.
What is the basis of your statement, dear? None, just some opinion, as good or as bad as anyone else's.
Sorry to disappoint you, but Romania had many business partners before 1989 and markets who were buying lots of stuff from us. How do you think the public debt was ENTIRELY paid in November 1989? By taking things from people? Come on, let us not be that naive, as you know this alone could not have covered for everything.
Again, I agree to an earlier statement of your's and that was a number of large companies in Western Europe did not enjoy competition from the Eastern side, so they preferred buying in or discredit their competitors' value on the market.
"The export trade offer has also been diversified, but many products were ineffective taking
into consideration their low value, reduced quality and technical performance, exported in clearing
or on credit."

http://econpapers.repec.org/article/jeswpaper...

Since: May 11

Reghin, Romania

#158 Dec 8, 2013
supersonic boom wrote:
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Oh Petru, there was I thinking this was an open forum for anyone to make a reasonable comment at our leisure.
Go stick your head back in the cow dung like a good little boy and one day you might look decent enough to take your mask off in public without making the babies cry.
Come on, stop being such a but.thurt, when you are so aggressively acting against others.
But it is a free world, seemingly, free enough to whatever and offend whomever.
Good luck.

Since: Apr 13

Bucharest, Romania

#159 Dec 8, 2013
Mary,I hope you get cancer,you muslim _)_ sucking subhuman scum.

Since: May 11

Reghin, Romania

#160 Dec 8, 2013
Perhaps, but let us read the article in its integrality and not the way you read different passages from the Bible and give them Coran's style interpretations.

It stands also in the conclusions of the very same paper you cited from, that:
"Romania has pursued a policy of replacing imported products by internally manufacturing
them and the share of consumer goods fell from 10.2% in 1950 to 3.4% in 1989.
The degree of coverage of imports by exports is significant in each group; the only group
being deficient was the one of fuels, ores and metals"

I am asking once more, is your attitude showing a sort of covered-up "Fuc.k off!" or do you want to show another concept meant to replace the current ones, many thinkers, put during many years, in building the existing EU concepts?
Mary782 wrote:
<quoted text>
"The export trade offer has also been diversified, but many products were ineffective taking
into consideration their low value, reduced quality and technical performance, exported in clearing
or on credit."
http://econpapers.repec.org/article/jeswpaper...

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