Single-payer bill H.R. 676 isn't soci...

Single-payer bill H.R. 676 isn't socialism

There are 25 comments on the Newsday story from Apr 16, 2009, titled Single-payer bill H.R. 676 isn't socialism. In it, Newsday reports that:

I was surprised during a recent conference for care- givers, when several professionals who should have known better, asked me if a "single-payer" health insurance system is "socialized medicine." The quick answer: No.

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Opinion

Kadoka, SD

#23 Apr 26, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
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Those Democrats publicly and on record saying that people could read it after it was passed must have been lying, according to you. The lack of the promised time frame for public perusal and reading must have been imagined. You must be special.
The only reason it passed was the aberration of a Democrat Senate and Democrat House. It can and will go the other way.
It is a little late in the game to attempt to educate you on how the ACA become law. You seem to have a very limited knowledge on how the Senate and House work.

Every Congressman who wished to know what was in the final bill had ample chance. Whether you did is another issue. I cared enough to follow the bill and read it and knew exactly what was in it prior to the final vote.

It is simply your ignorance to believe that the issue was done in secret and passed without people who voted on the bill knowing what was in it.

You need to educate yourself about how things work and at least have some reasonable common sense behind your beliefs that someone hand fed to you.

That echo chamber talk for the politically ignorant is long past. The ACA is the law of the land and well in place.

If you wish to post about what is happening now or could happen in the future in regards to a Single Payer System have at it but please use some intelligence.

I have better things to do than argue stupidity with you. Believe whatever you wish.
Bloody Bill Anderson

Madisonville, KY

#24 Apr 26, 2014
Op,

After hearing from the Trout (which, by the way swim in only one Kentucky stream and it is nowhere close to E-town) you may understand the ignorant stuff about "Socialism" that I have to put up with down here in the Dixie borderland.

There is a big and growing slice of folks on the Libertarian lunatic fringe at the grass roots level (and above) who consider any service provided by the government "Socialism." There are people who advocate abolishing public schools. They have expanded the definition of welfare to include public employees: School teachers, college professors, social workers, fire and rescue, or anybody else on the public payroll is a "check drawer" and thus in the same category as the stereotypical non-working professional welfare recipient class.

And they are impervious to facts. Take for instance the comment about France's health care system being bad and broke. It is in fact rated the best in the world and it is not broke. The cheap and simple facts from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_F...

I am just an old farmer, but I can read French. Nowhere, in any French news source, can I find anything about France's health care system being broke, nor can I find any complaints about it being systemically bad. And if there was a problem, the French press would be all over it like piranhas after tasting blood.
Cordwainer Trout

Lexington, KY

#26 Apr 27, 2014
Opinion wrote:
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It is a little late in the game to attempt to educate you on how the ACA become law. You seem to have a very limited knowledge on how the Senate and House work.
Every Congressman who wished to know what was in the final bill had ample chance. Whether you did is another issue. I cared enough to follow the bill and read it and knew exactly what was in it prior to the final vote.
It is simply your ignorance to believe that the issue was done in secret and passed without people who voted on the bill knowing what was in it.
You need to educate yourself about how things work and at least have some reasonable common sense behind your beliefs that someone hand fed to you.
That echo chamber talk for the politically ignorant is long past. The ACA is the law of the land and well in place.
If you wish to post about what is happening now or could happen in the future in regards to a Single Payer System have at it but please use some intelligence.
I have better things to do than argue stupidity with you. Believe whatever you wish.
You may think you're fooling people with your patronizing nonsense, but the numbers you claimed are complete falsehoods.

The original ACA bill had 2,400 pages. However, the bill included the need for those implementing it to write regulations. To mid-October 2013, those additional regulations had expanded the bill 30 times larger than the original bill with no legislative oversight of what they are doing... total tyranny and total Communism, resulting in more uninsured in ten years than before ACA (by the government's own estimates.)
Opinion

Kadoka, SD

#28 Apr 27, 2014
Bloody Bill Anderson wrote:
Op,
After hearing from the Trout (which, by the way swim in only one Kentucky stream and it is nowhere close to E-town) you may understand the ignorant stuff about "Socialism" that I have to put up with down here in the Dixie borderland.
There is a big and growing slice of folks on the Libertarian lunatic fringe at the grass roots level (and above) who consider any service provided by the government "Socialism." There are people who advocate abolishing public schools. They have expanded the definition of welfare to include public employees: School teachers, college professors, social workers, fire and rescue, or anybody else on the public payroll is a "check drawer" and thus in the same category as the stereotypical non-working professional welfare recipient class.
And they are impervious to facts. Take for instance the comment about France's health care system being bad and broke. It is in fact rated the best in the world and it is not broke. The cheap and simple facts from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_F...
I am just an old farmer, but I can read French. Nowhere, in any French news source, can I find anything about France's health care system being broke, nor can I find any complaints about it being systemically bad. And if there was a problem, the French press would be all over it like piranhas after tasting blood.
What you say is true. A lot of people just don't stop and think.

Too much of any "ism" is not good be it Capitalism or Socialism. Pure capitalism is brutal by it's self.

A Single Payer System could be set up "however it would work best in the USA". First to consider is what do you want to cover and what don't you want the system to cover. Including a small co-pay would keep every runny nose from running to the Doctor? There is many things that one might not include payment for just because it is not needed medically.
Implants etc. I am not even going to get into abortions or birth control pills.

I like to say it should cover all necessary and emergency care and funded through a multitude of ways so that everyone gets to help foot the bill. But I'm wide open to good ideas and thoughts of how it could be done in a manner that produces the best bang for the buck.

Now if someone felt they wanted additional care beyond what was necessary and emergency care let them purchase a separate insurance package or pull out their wallet.

I tend to think a enough Single Payer Systems are now in place that we should be able to intelligently mold one that best fits for this country.

The fact is that prior to Obamacare most insurance companies were getting a 30% profit rake for producing nothing. They were just the bag man holding the money in a pool. Now supposedly they can only rake 20% off the top. That is still a lot of money that could be used for actual healthcare and lower costs.
Opinion

Kadoka, SD

#29 Apr 27, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
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You may think you're fooling people with your patronizing nonsense, but the numbers you claimed are complete falsehoods.
The original ACA bill had 2,400 pages. However, the bill included the need for those implementing it to write regulations. To mid-October 2013, those additional regulations had expanded the bill 30 times larger than the original bill with no legislative oversight of what they are doing... total tyranny and total Communism, resulting in more uninsured in ten years than before ACA (by the government's own estimates.)
Here is places were you can read the original bill: The bill is not 2,400 pages.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590e...
https://www.healthcare.gov/where-can-i-read-t...
http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacarebill.pdf

Other than providing you something to read your comments are so wild and unsupported they are not worth responding to.in dept.

You are free to believe whatever pleases you.

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