Physiotherapists are not doctors: MCI

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Stern warning to those using the 'Doctor' prefix; rule being flouted by 90 p.c. of physiotherapists working in Delhi 'Private hospitals are listing physiotherapists as doctors misleading the general population' ...

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Saravan

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Yes, of course physiotherapists are not doctors but one of the paramedics work with doctors. This kind of warning from medical bodies required in countries like india where one can purchase whatever they want including affix of "Dr", this is what physiotherapists have done, they have purchased indian politicians for lobby and law makers are breaking the same laws which they have made in parliment. Only god has to save this country.
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Physiotherapy course n profn. can't b clubbed wid another course.
Physiotherapy" means physiotherapeutic system of
medicine which includes examination, treatment, advice
and instructions to any person preparatory to or for
the purpose of or in connection with movement
dysfunction, bodily malfunction, physical disorder,
disability, healing and pain from trauma and disease,
physical and mental conditions using physical agents
including exercise, mobilization, manipulation,
mechanical and electrotherapy, activity and devices or
diagnosis, treatment and prevention.

So Physio's r definitly doctors n very respectfull profn.
Ravi Rathore

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We gonna to hv separate independent council...
SO how MCI can comment over it... n how they decide whether they can put doctor or not....
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im a physiotherapist doing masters in neurology pt in UK. Im not mad to come long back to do masters that too being in a middle class family.Not only me, many pt's are here struggling day & night though we dont have much pay (even as equal to wardboys) in india. With these known struggles, We dedicated our life to our profession and patients depending on our own hands on skills, not with usual scribling medical precriptions or stylish stethoscope...We are true doctors,ask 100000000 of patients who recovered from stroke and spinal injuries. They will say who are god to their life....article which published wrong news by words cannot overtake our hardwork and pain .we deserve for title (Dr).
Dr Mayank Shukla MPT

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Physiotherapists are doctors if u feel that after MBBS every body is......
Why r So called MBBS writing doctor they are only graduates of medicine and surgery.....
Doctorate of medicine is DM .....?????
Pls look at your files and folders 1916 is tooo old .....
we are going to have our own council.... pls wait till then and dont place your council orders on us.....
PhD in History is a doctorate actually not a MBBS who is a graduate ....
Out side india even MCh do'nt write doctor so is their understanding....
It helps us to be of help to people at large..and work independently.....
Please answer
A radiologist is not a physician he can be a doctor????
An Anesthetist/anesthesiologist always works with surgeon is he not a doctor?
Why u have a problem with physiotherapist????
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i am a student of physiotherapy from jammu university .the statement of mci is totally wrong . so i appreciate the statements of nidhi tiwari and other physiotherapists
Saravan

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Better you improve your knowledge, all radiologists and anesthesiologists are physicians all across the world,If you guys are so knowledgeble why cann't you study MBBS and practice medicine?, i think physiotherapists in India are in foolish world, they did not get admission for MBBS after 12th, so now wants to overcome that inferiority complexity by affixing Dr .
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Saravan wrote:
Better you improve your knowledge, all radiologists and anesthesiologists are physicians all across the world,If you guys are so knowledgeble why cann't you study MBBS and practice medicine?, i think physiotherapists in India are in foolish world, they did not get admission for MBBS after 12th, so now wants to overcome that inferiority complexity by affixing Dr .
For the kind information we physios have no need to do MBBS as we have a rich sallabus which includes all the subjects which a medicine graduate studies ,not only that we have highly specialized subjects like biomechanics, exercise therapy , electrotherapy .We have specializations like sports P.T, orthopaedics P.T, cardiovascular P.T, neurological P.T, gynecology P.T .We have a four and a half years graduation course ,a 2 years Masters degree and PHD offered by reputed universities like Delhi University,Rajeev Gandhi Health University ,MDU etc.kKindly broaden your narrow thought process and do not give such stupid remarks like you have given . We are proud of ourselves as Physios and we have given complex to other Medical professionals as we have the power to heal without using drugs and surgeries.Please have the gutts to accept new things ,our's is a new science which is upcomming.We can assess, diagnose and give treatment therefore we have full rigth of being called a Doctor.
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For the kind information we physios have no need to do MBBS as we have a rich sallabus which includes all the subjects which a medicine graduate studies ,not only that we have highly specialized subjects like biomechanics, exercise therapy , electrotherapy .We have specializations like sports P.T, orthopaedics P.T, cardiovascular P.T, neurological P.T, gynecology P.T .We have a four and a half years graduation course ,a 2 years Masters degree and PHD offered by reputed universities like Delhi University,Rajeev Gandhi Health University ,MDU etc.kKindly broaden your narrow thought process and do not give such stupid remarks like you have given . We are proud of ourselves as Physios and we have given complex to other Medical professionals as we have the power to heal without using drugs and surgeries.Please have the gutts to accept new things ,our's is a new science which is upcomming.We can assess, diagnose and give treatment therefore we have full rigth of being called a Doctor.
Dr Mayank Shukla MPT

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Why do you feel that all physios tried for MBBS it may not be true at all....
We have taken this profession by choice...
As far as radiologists and Anesthesiologists are concerned they have Done MBBS but they are not practicing as primary physicians .....it is all about practice you have a problem is it not my dear ....and it looks like that u have a complex that u are the only one who cleared any entrance exam....
Well intially the MBBS was a 6 month coure and by the growth in the field of knowledge they have devided various specializations and increased the duration also ...
Physiotherapy field has got a significant amount of knowledge expansion that is why we had a rapis expansion in this field..... and the need is also there due to the changing clinical profile of the patients of twenty first century... pharmacology and surgery can not give long lasting cure ...
You, Me and the society at large needs our(PHYSIOTHERAPY) services so why you do not want to acknowledge that??????????
Dr Mayank Shukla MPT

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Doctor (title), a title of respect. It comes to English from Old French and is the agent form of the Latin verb docere, "to teach". It is not about having MBBS only.
anoop aggarwal

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hello, I m a physiotherapist from delhi..

i think Mr. sarvan is out of his senses....he is nobody to put a comment on physio ike this....
MCI is the body for MBBS and not for physio and thus legally it can be panalised for puttng a comment on physios.....

For his very kind information, v people didnt chose this physiotherapy profesion coz v didnt get in to MBBS , but v chose this field by ou wish and our first choice.....

Those MBBS or MDs who are in false myth of having gone through rich syllabus, need to have a look on the curriculum of physiotherapists...we physios study all the sylaabus which is the p;art of mbbs...
MBBS people always try to get some logicalor illogical reason attempting to defame physios as now they have realised tht their work field has become narrowd after the growth of physiotherapy in india....
defntly physios and MBBS people have different sphere of working.. a [physio cant perform surgeries and similarly a mbbs cant do wht a physio has to do to rehabilitate the person,....... both have to deal with humans but in different fashion....

Ask those millions of geriatric,traumatic or postoperative patients for whom the MBBs or MDs treatment get limited to only antiinflammatory or analgesics for rest of the patient's life..... here medicines not only affect patient's vital organs rather also gives unnatural form of t/t or I shud say just they give another mode to befool the patients ..everyoine knows that these drugs are not gonna cure him/her.......if here in such case physios help those patients to make their life easy and painfree in a natural fasion by enhanceing the flexibility and strength of their joints or improve their functional status..then why do mbbs fellows feel it like a risk on their bread and butter???? while they have much more work to be done in store.....

In india the issue is of trouble because physio dont have Council.bt it dsnt mean that MCI or MBBS people got a right to write any baseless comment on PHysiotherapy...

Can a surgeon even think of curing their operative cases (Musculoskeletal, neurological or intensive care unit) succesfully without any physiotherapy prescription???? can a surgeon go on field and improve the fitness of an athlete or sport person , if he has not sustained any severe injujry????

Will a mbbs or MD fellows cure each and every patient with their favorite analgesics,NSAIDS even after knwing that thee are no mere better than placebo and moreover could cause more harm to patient by causing severe complications to kidneys or liver?????

Can a surgeon cure every OA, RA or simple strain/Sprain patient with operative maneuveres???

Wake up MBBS people(so called doctors), india is already running short of good doctors and good paramedical professionals.in such case rather than focussing on trying to defame physiotherapy peeople it will be very useful if u try to improve ur knowlede and spend ur time towards patient care... If any physiotherapist is going against law(law made by constitution or physiotherapy council....not by MCI) then he will defntly be penalised for that if it puts patients at harm by violation of PATIENT ETHICAL CARE rules....

Come on yaar.... rather than fighting among ourselves v need to focus on our common objective of patient care and rehabilitation.... Both of us (mbbs and physios) hve exclusive set of duties... a physio cant do what a surgeon has to do and a surgeon cant do what a physio can do to bring the patient's life back on track.....
anoop aggarwal

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i hve worked with many orthopaedicians and many surgeons and what i realised is that..good orthos and good surgeons dnt believe in this fight against physios...they believe in team work and consider physios as an important part of the team...only newcomers (evn small fraction of those population) feel insecure and bring about the false allegations agains physios.....these newcomers need to learn the concept of team work from their sucessful seniors.....perhaps than they will deserve what they want to be called as Dr.
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Dear Sarvan,BDS guys are also doctors.Can a BDS doctor treat a patient with Any kind of musculo-skeletal injuries.They are specialised in tooth.Sarvan even u call youself a doctor can you do a root canal treatment.Dear sir can u rehabilitate a stroke patient,Each doctors have thier specialities.So learn to respect the profession.
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This is what a physiotherapist can do in india !

Physiotherapist arrested for attempted rape of nurse

Ghaziabad, April 1 (IANS) The Ghaziabad police arrested a physiotherapist for attempting to rape a staff nurse working at his physiotherapy centre. Circle Officer C.P. Singh said the Kavi Nagar police received a complaint from the staff nurse of Nirog Prakruatik Chikitsa Kendra at Kavi Nagar.
In the complaint, the staff nurse said she joined the centre a week back. The owner and the physiotherapist, Pramod Vajpayee used to call her in his chamber on one pretext or the other.
Vajpayee called her Saturday in the chamber and attempted to rape her but she managed to escape and went to the police station.
The police arrested the physiotherapist Saturday and conducted the medical examination of the victim at the government district hospital.
gaurav banerjee

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great sir, great reply... love you for this !
Dr Mayank Shukla MPT wrote:
Physiotherapists are doctors if u feel that after MBBS every body is......
Why r So called MBBS writing doctor they are only graduates of medicine and surgery.....
Doctorate of medicine is DM .....?????
Pls look at your files and folders 1916 is tooo old .....
we are going to have our own council.... pls wait till then and dont place your council orders on us.....
PhD in History is a doctorate actually not a MBBS who is a graduate ....
Out side india even MCh do'nt write doctor so is their understanding....
It helps us to be of help to people at large..and work independently.....
Please answer
A radiologist is not a physician he can be a doctor????
An Anesthetist/anesthesiologist always works with surgeon is he not a doctor?
Why u have a problem with physiotherapist????
gaurav banerjee

Anand, India

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What the hell MCI thinks of itself? Frankly saying MCI SUCKS>>>
MCI has problem physio's writing "dr" in front of their names? Eat Shit man !
what you guys do when an ayurved/homopathic and even a student doing MBBS from a single room college claims himself a doctor?
we treat patients, make a paralyzed and amputee patient run, make sportsmen earn their livelihood and make the nation proud etc etc...
well i m gonna do my masters from curin australia and then do my Phd... then lets see who the shit looking mci member comes and stops me !
dig that sucker !
gaurav banerjee

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PHYSIOS ARE MORE VALUABLE THEN MBBS !!!
YES ITZ TRUE, AAJ EK MBBS KI KOI AUKAAT NAHIN HAI... WHEREAS BPT IN ITSELF IS AN SPECIALIZATION!!!
SO LOSE FACE MR. SARWAN...COZ U SUCK!
What the hell MCI thinks of itself? Frankly saying MCI SUCKS>>>
MCI has problem physio's writing "dr" in front of their names? Eat Shit man !
what you guys do when an ayurved/homopathic and even a student doing MBBS from a single room college claims himself a doctor?
we treat patients, make a paralyzed and amputee patient run, act as an main conservative clinician in 90% orthopedic cases, make sportsmen/common men earn their livelihood, make life healthier etc etc...
well i m gonna do my masters from curin australia and then do my Phd... then lets see who the shit looking mci member comes and stops me !
dig that sucker !
Saravan wrote:
Yes, of course physiotherapists are not doctors but one of the paramedics work with doctors. This kind of warning from medical bodies required in countries like india where one can purchase whatever they want including affix of "Dr", this is what physiotherapists have done, they have purchased indian politicians for lobby and law makers are breaking the same laws which they have made in parliment. Only god has to save this country.
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LEGAL AND GRIEVANCES REDRESSAL COMMITTEE.
Dr. Prabhu informed that the IAP has appointed Mr.Pratik Jalan as legal advisor to IAP to look into all legal matters. He appealed to all members to write to the Secretary about any legal matter.
Dr. Savita read out a letter written by MCI and Rajiv Gandhi University of Health Sciences to a member who had been pulled up for prefixing DR. in front of his name. The letter categorically denies the right to prefix “Dr” for Physiotherapists and the principals should ensure the same. If any physiotherapists found to be continuing, the college would be disaffiliated. It was pointed out that this letter has been copied to I.A.P. thus, for the first time I.A.P. has been implicated in this dispute regarding prefixing DR. and therefore suggested that I.A.P. should challenge this in a court of law. A lot of discussion ensued. Dr. Dastoor, at this stage agreed that we have to go to court, at the same time warned the members that if we win it would put the matter to rest once and for all, however if we did lose, it will be binding on all I.A.P. members of all states to stop using the prefix DR. Dr. Bhatnagar affirmed this viewpoint. Dr. Ravindra was requested to send the entire correspondence to the Legal Cell for evaluating the merit of the case before filing a case.
Dr. Narasimhan expressed a desire of going to court. Dr. Ali Irani in this context showed a verdict of Bihar Court and he appreciated the action taken by Bihar branch of filing a petition in high court. They have a confidence of winning the case which is now in the Supreme Court. It was unanimously agreed to await the Supreme Court decision.
Dr. Prabhu appealed to all the members that whoever have got any letters from any institute, or university or any court order relating to prefixing ‘Dr”, should send the whole correspondence to the Secretary. IAP legal cell would then take necessary steps.
Please have faith my physio friends.
Vishal saxena

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IAP and other physiotherapists know that they have already lost the battle when supreme court referred the matter to patna high court again(SLP 8234/2003). Patna high court in its verdict said only a registered practioners under MCI Act 1956 can practice medicine india. without telling these facts, young physiotherapists are made foolish by senior IAP members, private college owners, who are minting money. They are making other's foolish.

Even a delhi district court in a defamation suite (Civil appeal No. RCA 27/05), clearly says "Physiotherapists are technicians who follow precription of doctors and no medication can be precribed by physiotherapist".

It's only a private physiotherapy college owners and Indian Association of Physiotherapy making students and their parents fools saying they will be made doctors (collecting capital fee and IAP collecting percentage from equipment manufacturers and collecting fee for recognition).

Physiotherapists becoming a doctor will never ever happen in india !

One day when a patient files a case against this malpractice and a physiotherapist put in a jail, then the IAP and other rogue physiotherapists who call themselves as doctors will learn a lesson.

This is not too far, will happen soon !!

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