Family claims poor treatment at VA ho...

Family claims poor treatment at VA hospital

There are 59 comments on the San Bernardino County Sun story from May 24, 2008, titled Family claims poor treatment at VA hospital. In it, San Bernardino County Sun reports that:

Carmelino Filippini served his country in the Army when he was stationed in South Korea.

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cmg

Loma Linda, CA

#41 Jun 5, 2008
People Please wrote:
There is a family out there that has filed a complaint against a facility that they believe did not provide adequate care for their loved one. We can all add our opinions to the condition of this patient or give our medical experience or advice, but ultimately, there is a family who feels something wrong happened. Worst of all, they feel that their loved one was not wanted there. We all have our opinions and experiences, but that does not change or have any effect on how that family felt and even how they feel now.
I just wonder what could have possibly happened to the patient and/or the family to have made the family feel that there loved one was so unwanted. That is absolutely horrible. Have we no feelings or compassion for what they must have gone through or what they are going through now.
Please let us be respectful and consider the feelings of this family who apparently is still grieving so strongly for their loved one.
I understand and I hear what you are saying. From what I understand, the staff went above and beyond what is expected as far as extended visiting hours etc.) I have a friend that said the staff seemed to really care for the patient and the family even brought goodies to the staff for taking good care of him... they came to the hospital after he died and brought a card etc. So now why has everything changed.. it seems unfair to those people who did provide excellent care to their loved one. IT's something to think about
Skeptical Jr

Glendora, CA

#42 Jun 16, 2008
Uncalled For wrote:
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This is completely uncalled for.
Do you understand that if you enter an ICU it is because you are sick enough that you require complete monitoring of every life-delivering organ in your body? To say that we have no compassion is to say that you are an idiot, so it is not uncalled for as long as you continue to make your comments. Compassion is an entirely different characteristic than knowledge, so just because we understand this situation well, does not mean that we are not compassionate. Yes, there is a family who is grieving, and we feel for their loss. But their accusations and actions are unfounded and ridiculous. When you go as far as having your nonsensical, uneducated accusations published, then you open yourself up for criticism from all. Everyone wants to jump on the "oh, medical care is responsible" bandwagon. Do us a favor and get off it!
Skeptical Jr

Glendora, CA

#43 Jun 16, 2008
anonymous wrote:
I think You people are talking non sense and dont no nothing. This happened to one of my family members u people dont provide the care right care. People were dying left and right in your hospital .So come on what is it just a coincidence.
Is it just a coincidence that people are overweight, abuse their bodies with all sorts of drugs (alcohol and tobacco included), and then show up at the doctor's office or hospital with all sorts of complaints? Of course not, but who's problem does it become? Well, its obviously the doctor's fault that you are fat and lazy, or the nurses fault that you abuse yourself to the point of death and cannot be made perfect. Take some responsibility for yourself, eat a little less and move a little more.
anonymous

Newbury Park, CA

#44 Jun 18, 2008
come on now [skeptical jr]
Thats pathetic how does over weight come into this issue.Dont bring nonsense in this issue.
You obviously must be from the hospital and didnt
open your eyes because if you did then you would of known what happened. Just a bunch of incompetent people!!!!
annonymous

Pacoima, CA

#45 Jun 18, 2008
One doesn't have to be a medical professional to know when medical blunders occur. And of course, the ones with blood on their hands are never going to admit they were at fault. If my family hadn't recently experienced the same situation, I wouldn't be writing this today. Unfortunately, for our fathers it's too late. But it's about time someone brings these issues to the forefront to warn others about what is happening to our veterans.
Skeptical Jr

Glendora, CA

#46 Jun 18, 2008
anonymous wrote:
come on now [skeptical jr]
Thats pathetic how does over weight come into this issue.Dont bring nonsense in this issue.
You obviously must be from the hospital and didnt
open your eyes because if you did then you would of known what happened. Just a bunch of incompetent people!!!!
Thanks for your thoughts. Remind me, how and who was incompetent? And how is weight nonsense when placed in the reference of my statement? To say it again, many health problems are due to the patient not caring for themself properly. The healthcare team is there to tell what is wrong and how to fix it, but when you continue to abuse your body, only so much can be done. Anonymous, time to step up and own your decisions, stop blaming everyone else when you cannot be made eternal or 100% in the blink of an eye.
anonymous

Newbury Park, CA

#47 Jun 29, 2008
wow
come on people get a clue???
nonsense...
maybe u should read the article again.
OIF veteran

Los Angeles, CA

#48 Dec 28, 2013
Interesting note... the family has a history of violence. Check out this article: http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20101129/sh... The patient's son and grandson were involved in a shooting. I hope this brings light to who the family really are, as the hospital staff at the VA already knew based on the ignorant article that lacked research.
anonymous

San Bernardino, CA

#49 May 1, 2014
OIF veteran wrote:
Interesting note... the family has a history of violence. Check out this article: http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20101129/sh... The patient's son and grandson were involved in a shooting. I hope this brings light to who the family really are, as the hospital staff at the VA already knew based on the ignorant articl
e that lacked research.
.

How lame are you. Get your facts straight before you talk about his son or grandson you don't no anything . where you there? Did u no the case was dismissed ohh yeah sure they have a violence record ??? Lmao so called veterans should comment on nothing they no or heard of.... Don't put your two sense in to something u no squat about BTW this is an article pertaining this man not his son or grandson ....

Good one!!!!!
David Albright

Orange, CA

#50 May 5, 2014
My 15 year old son died because of their lack of care http://www.change.org/petitions/loma-linda-ca...
vetstatesvafacts

Huntington Beach, CA

#51 May 27, 2014
anon wrote:
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I have worked in the healthcare field for ten+ years. What is obviously sad is how little most people know about medical care. I think it is a shame people throw words like negligence around. Did anybody think about "the claim" before this was written.Part of the claim was that he was filled with so much fluid his wieght increased to 300 lbs. Did the writer even attempt to check and discover that maybe because of his renal failure. Did you see in the pictures pressure sores? Did those pictures tell you how many times we had to argue with the family and Mr.Filipini that he needed to be turned at regular intervals as to prevent these sores. You ask whether I was here everyday.. no I was not but I was here 80+ hrs a week. Negligence is an easy thing to "claim". Did ANYBODY think that this man did not come here healthy or even some what healthy.He did not walk into the V.A.or roll in in a wheelchair he came from another Intensive Care Unit.Sick! Maybe you did not understand that providing comfort care for the family was done while providing regular medical care for our patient. Maybe people should go to a hospital and volunteer and see real life. Love makes you blind. Grief does too.
Truth is based upon fact. And. Facts are based upon truths.

This response is 6 years after the fact. However, here we are in 2016 and my, my, my how we are learning now, that the VA sysyem is NOT perfect and in fact, does not care for the Veteran. To all of you, nurses, doctors, and staff who have been using these posts as a tool to promote the VA Loma Linda as a caring facility. You LIE AND DECEIVE.

I am a veteran who can and will verify, as well as prove, how dysfunctional and lethargic the VA Loma Linda system is. A few years ago, it took me over a year to get a colonoscopy...from a private facility. Loma Linda VA and the Rancho Cucamonga VA clinic not only dropped the ball, but literally layed blame all over the place but on themselves to include blaming me. Couple years later was admitted to VA Loma Linda hospital and while there, contracted Hepatitis, and still walked out, after a week stay, WITHOUT an actual diagnosis and prognosis.
So, if you want to continue with the lies, deception, and high regard for your employer as a false hope, based on your intentional and pathetic distortions, do so but realize this:
"You are not worthy of even looking at a veteran, nevermind giving medical care".
None of you have the courage to standup and continue with your lies and so any response to this post will be nothing more than lip action with s kiss ass approach.
To the family of the now deceased veteran, you have my respect and certainly, my awareness..
I have your six and frankly, as you tell the truth, the VA lies.
Jay

Redlands, CA

#52 Oct 5, 2014
Most of these comments are ridiculous! I am a veteran and served by Lome Linda Medical Center. I have been an in patients several times in ICU and now for five years as an out patient. Every doctor and nursing staff have provided the best care possible. I have also witnessed elderly patients verbally attack doctors and nursing staff. At times, family members think they know more than the doctor and nursing staff. The nursing staff follows doctor's orders for medication and treatment, they do not, on their own make this decisions, they are doing their job and they do it well. Some, when family visits tell big lies about the treatment, medication and food they receive. They don't like it because they think they know more than the doctor's and nursing staff. I have had numerous arguments with some of these old misers regarding their verbal abuse to the nurses. All nurses are well qualified to do the job they do, but in many cases that is not sufficient for the mouthy old grumps. They are fortunate to receive the care they get at no cost to them other then perhaps a co-payment for some medications. Plain and simple, if you don't like it, seek medical treatment at non VA centers. It's your choice! Me, I am thankful for the care I have and still receive from all doctors and nursing staff at the Loma Linda VA Medical Center. ICU nursing staff, continue doing what you do and ignore what this family is saying, as you know, lawsuits are a pass time for Californians...
anonymous

San Bernardino, CA

#53 Oct 29, 2014
Jay wrote:
Most of these comments are ridiculous! I am a veteran and served by Lome Linda Medical Center. I have been an in patients several times in ICU and now for five years as an out patient. Every doctor and nursing staff have provided the best care possible. I have also witnessed elderly patients verbally attack doctors and nursing staff. At times, family members think they know more than the doctor and nursing staff. The nursing staff follows doctor's orders for medication and treatment, they do not, on their own make this decisions, they are doing their job and they do it well. Some, when family visits tell big lies about the treatment, medication and food they receive. They don't like it because they think they know more than the doctor's and nursing staff. I have had numerous arguments with some of these old misers regarding their verbal abuse to the nurses. All nurses are well qualified to do the job they do, but in many cases that is not sufficient for the mouthy old grumps. They are fortunate to receive the care they get at no cost to them other then perhaps a co-payment for some medications. Plain and simple, if you don't like it, seek medical treatment at non VA centers. It's your choice! Me, I am thankful for the care I have and still receive from all doctors and nursing staff at the Loma Linda VA Medical Center. ICU nursing staff, continue doing what you do and ignore what this family is saying, as you know, lawsuits are a pass time for Californians...
You are a prick!!! This article is not just the only one in the world there are other complaints your just one persons opinion....just because you get supposedly good care doesn't mean everyone is the same Even today different races are treated the same but I bet u would differ that too huh. Doctors at that hospital see $$$$$$ not&#128117;&#128110; &#128107;&#128108; &#128109;&#128104; &#128104;&#128105; &#128105;&#128105; &#128116;&#128116; &#128116; so your opinion is irrevalant.

I would say veterans should go somewhere else to get treated it isn't worth your life.
lARRY mILLER9626

Manhattan Beach, CA

#55 Mar 13, 2015
Mediocre medical care is better than NO medical care any day of the week. Face it. The VA never did provide Cadillac service but if you are a card carrying honorably discharged VA veteran, service connected or non service connected disability, you will get SOMETHING if you persist long enough, and yes, are willing to drive an astronomical distance to get to the treatment facility. The lesson I've learned is don't move to a home more than 40 or so miles away from one of these treatment facilities. I've learned, the older one gets the more problems you will have and I hate to admit it, you will need to use common sense to deal with the majority of them. Yes..If you have cancer and are fighting to stay alive you will have to kick, scream and shout to get "something" or you will get nothing if you don't. The squeaky wheel gets the oil. Otherwise you get nothing. Sad bu,t true. It is a fact of life. If this was a perfect world, only honorably discharged veterans would get first call on all kinds of medical care. But it's not a perfect world, so what the rest of us have to do is deal with what we've got and remember the squeaky wheel doctrine. Firm, but polite so they don't have you arrested. Hate to say it. Bottom line. The best medical treatment comes when you pay in cash, cash on the barrelhead and stay away from the VA, but keep it as a last resort. Don't let them know you are paying an MD out of pocket Don't tell them anything. Just do whatever it takes to deal with your problem. No need to share everything with Govt. They'll just fuck it up, guaranteed. Need to Know is the rule I live by
31 years an RN

Petersburg, VA

#58 Mar 21, 2015
I have been a RN for half my life, getting 2 hitches in VA hospitals as charge on a geriatric floor. Besides the lazy, indignant, self serving, Holier than thou CNAs and LPNs , along with a very heavy top management, who did absolutely nothing except go to meetings and dump their work on the Charge. The rest of the employees were great and , as I am a VN Vet, I treated them all good.
All in all, it is the same as any other toilet. Keep away from the ass kissers and make sure your job is done, don't worry so much about the dump. it will be there tomorrow, because the MSN is too good to do her work, lazy bastards.
Family member

Yucaipa, CA

#59 Dec 11, 2015
vetstatesvafacts wrote:
<quoted text>
Truth is based upon fact. And. Facts are based upon truths.
This response is 6 years after the fact. However, here we are in 2016 and my, my, my how we are learning now, that the VA sysyem is NOT perfect and in fact, does not care for the Veteran. To all of you, nurses, doctors, and staff who have been using these posts as a tool to promote the VA Loma Linda as a caring facility. You LIE AND DECEIVE.
I am a veteran who can and will verify, as well as prove, how dysfunctional and lethargic the VA Loma Linda system is. A few years ago, it took me over a year to get a colonoscopy...from a private facility. Loma Linda VA and the Rancho Cucamonga VA clinic not only dropped the ball, but literally layed blame all over the place but on themselves to include blaming me. Couple years later was admitted to VA Loma Linda hospital and while there, contracted Hepatitis, and still walked out, after a week stay, WITHOUT an actual diagnosis and prognosis.
So, if you want to contreated with the lies, deception, and high regard for your employer as a false hope, based on your intentional and pathetic distortions, do so but realize this:
"You are not worthy of even looking at a veteran, nevermind giving medical care".
None of you have the courage to standup and continue with your lies and so any response to this post will be nothing more than lip action with s kiss ass approach.
To the family of the now deceased veteran, you have my respect and certainly, my awareness..
I have your six and frankly, as you tell the truth, the VA lies.
Thank you. Not everyone is poorly treated i get that you know but when its our own blood getting the bad treatment and they served this country they deserve to be well treated and taken care just like everybody else but not all people see that they just see $$$$...My grandfather suffered alot because of there poor care and only went in surgery one day and was suppose to be out but lasted as a six month nightmare. So i feel the pain to all who endure. May God bless you and protect you and thank you for your service.
Elise Gingrich

Greenville, TX

#60 Dec 11, 2015
YOUR State, Is NOT The ONLY State, With POOR To NO "GOOD" Health Care!(You KNOW That?!?!) Why Do ANY Of Us PATIENTS, Even GO And WHINE To CLUELESS Mainstream Medicine, To "FIX" Us?? THEY DON'T Even UNDERSTAND Us, And Just Give Us TOXIC Big PHARMA, Give Us SCARE TACTICS, And Send Us On Our WAYS!(WHAT'S The POINT In Even Crawling Out Of The Corner, For THAT?!?!) THANKS A LOT, Mainstream Medical Doctors, ALL Across America! I WAS EXPECTING A LOT MORE Than THIS, From YOU All, Although I'm The ONE Who MADE Myself SICK, With Being DIS-EASED (especially emotionally/psychologically) In The Last Three Years Or More. WHY Do WE Even HAVE Medical Doctors Anyways?!
USA USA USA USA

Minneapolis, MN

#61 Dec 11, 2015
31 years an RN wrote:
I have been a RN for half my life, getting 2 hitches in VA hospitals as charge on a geriatric floor. Besides the lazy, indignant, self serving, Holier than thou CNAs and LPNs , along with a very heavy top management, who did absolutely nothing except go to meetings and dump their work on the Charge. The rest of the employees were great and , as I am a VN Vet, I treated them all good.
All in all, it is the same as any other toilet. Keep away from the ass kissers and make sure your job is done, don't worry so much about the dump. it will be there tomorrow, because the MSN is too good to do her work, lazy bastards.
My bro recently visited a VA clinic in Wisconsin and a "Doctor" evaluated a sore on his arm. The "Doctor" said it isn't cancer and nothing be be worried about.

He later had it looked at in a non-VA clinic and the doctor IDed it as cancer and removed it with 7 stitches to close the wound. It was biopsied and was melanoma.

Go to the VA as a last resort, they are hiring incompetent doctors.
USA USA USA USA

Minneapolis, MN

#62 Dec 11, 2015
Family member wrote:
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Thank you. Not everyone is poorly treated i get that you know but when its our own blood getting the bad treatment and they served this country they deserve to be well treated and taken care just like everybody else but not all people see that they just see $$$$...My grandfather suffered alot because of there poor care and only went in surgery one day and was suppose to be out but lasted as a six month nightmare. So i feel the pain to all who endure. May God bless you and protect you and thank you for your service.
Agree 100%.

The VA should be light years ahead of non-VA health care. Because they treat those who have served our country and those Vets deserve the best care.

Instead the VA is a typical Government organization whos employees only goal is to work as little as possible, retire with maximum pay and benefits,(get healthcare from a non-VA clinic). AND VA management only cares about minimum costs with no interest in providing the BEST care available for those who have fought for the USA.

Very sad.

Bottom line, if faced with a serious illness avoid the VA or at lest get a second opinion from a non-VA doctor. Go to a Mayo Clinic doctor if possible.

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