Guidance for LDS families with LGBT children

Dec 11, 2010 Full story: www.sltrib.com 22

A compelling new study adds to the mounting evidence that family acceptance or rejection of adolescent sexual orientation and gender identity of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender children has a major impact on their mental health as young adults.

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“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

Tappahannock, VA

#1 Dec 11, 2010
Being glbt in some Christian-talibangelical family or community: There but for the grace of gawd go I.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#2 Dec 12, 2010
The LDS (Mormons) are not Christians.
Haw Haw

Chicago, IL

#3 Dec 12, 2010
Gee, imagine that... Parents don't accept their gay children, they end up taking their own lives. Hmmmm.... A little self-evident, but I guess certain people need to be told this.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#4 Dec 12, 2010
Look at Marie Osmond.

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#5 Dec 12, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
Look at Marie Osmond.
Do I have to?
Steve

Saint George, UT

#6 Dec 17, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
The LDS (Mormons) are not Christians.
Most people are going to laugh at that uneducated statement, but let me just assure people that faithful members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints humbly worship Jesus Christ and seek to be His disciples in His work. There isn't a better description of what a Christian is.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#7 Dec 17, 2010
Steve wrote:
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Most people are going to laugh at that uneducated statement, but let me just assure people that faithful members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints humbly worship Jesus Christ and seek to be His disciples in His work. There isn't a better description of what a Christian is.
I'm a church-going Lutheran (ELCA) and have been so for 50 years. The Lutheran Church (ELCA) specifically teaches that Mormons are NOT Christians. Furthermore, I know of NO Christian church, Protestant, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, nor other, that recognizes Mormons as Christians, there constant likes tohe contrary notwithstanding.

If you disagree, then please cite a Christian Church that recognizes the Mormons as a Christian church.

http://cnview.com/on_line_resources/are_mormo...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi...

http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp...

http://www.elca.org/Growing-In-Faith/Worship/...
Blow

Grand Junction, CO

#10 Dec 18, 2010
Steve wrote:
<quoted text>
Most people are going to laugh at that uneducated statement, but let me just assure people that faithful members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints humbly worship Jesus Christ and seek to be His disciples in His work. There isn't a better description of what a Christian is.
Meanwhile, the LDS church will disregard one of the Articles of Faith (13) whereas it states that members will do good to ALL men.

Unless those men are gay.

Yes. Very Christian like indeed.
replier

Sacramento, CA

#11 Dec 29, 2011
Frank Stanton wrote:
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I'm a church-going Lutheran (ELCA) and have been so for 50 years. The Lutheran Church (ELCA) specifically teaches that Mormons are NOT Christians. Furthermore, I know of NO Christian church, Protestant, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, nor other, that recognizes Mormons as Christians, there constant likes tohe contrary notwithstanding.
If you disagree, then please cite a Christian Church that recognizes the Mormons as a Christian church.
http://cnview.com/on_line_resources/are_mormo...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi...
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp...
http://www.elca.org/Growing-In-Faith/Worship/...
...I didn't know that the definition of being a Christian church needs to be given by other Christian churches.....I thought it was based on the religion's relationship (ie: worshiping, following, teaching of) with Christ...my bad.
Haw Haw

Chicago, IL

#12 Jan 1, 2012
replier wrote:
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...I didn't know that the definition of being a Christian church needs to be given by other Christian churches.....I thought it was based on the religion's relationship (ie: worshiping, following, teaching of) with Christ...my bad.
Actually, it does.

If I make a double decker burger, add some ketchup/mayonnaise, lettuce, cheese, and pickles and onions, then throw in a tomato, some celery salt, and jalepeno peppers I could call it a Big Mac, but I'd be hauled into court for trademark infringement by one big corporation.

Similarly, the Jesus worshiped by the Mos is not the same Jesus that is worshiped by the Christians. The Jesus of the Christians is not a brother of Satan, IS God himself - a part of the Holy Trinity, was born of a virgin - there was no sex between Elohim and Mary going on, suffered on the Cross, not in the Garden, is Jewish, not Nordic, and does not come in second to Joseph Smith or any other man, and completely redeemed mankind - there is nothing additional required by us or any other man other than to believe it.

Just because you call your burger a Big Mac doesn't mean it is one.

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#13 Jan 1, 2012
Haw Haw wrote:
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Actually, it does.
If I make a double decker burger, add some ketchup/mayonnaise, lettuce, cheese, and pickles and onions, then throw in a tomato, some celery salt, and jalepeno peppers I could call it a Big Mac, but I'd be hauled into court for trademark infringement by one big corporation.
Similarly, the Jesus worshiped by the Mos is not the same Jesus that is worshiped by the Christians. The Jesus of the Christians is not a brother of Satan, IS God himself - a part of the Holy Trinity, was born of a virgin - there was no sex between Elohim and Mary going on, suffered on the Cross, not in the Garden, is Jewish, not Nordic, and does not come in second to Joseph Smith or any other man, and completely redeemed mankind - there is nothing additional required by us or any other man other than to believe it.
Just because you call your burger a Big Mac doesn't mean it is one.
The problem with the Big Mac analogy is that a burger is a real thing. So was Joseph Smith. And so are gay people.

God, satan, Elohim, a virgin Mary, a "holy" trinity, Jesus on a cross... all of these are myths. Can you trademark a myth?

Mormons calling themselves christians has as much veracity as any other group calling themselves christians. It's all a myth anyway.

People who reject their children because they are gay are choosing to believe an unproven and conveniently unprovable myth over supporting and loving their own flesh-and-blood children. Shameful, that.
Haw Haw

Chicago, IL

#14 Jan 1, 2012
Jerald wrote:
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The problem with the Big Mac analogy is that a burger is a real thing. So was Joseph Smith. And so are gay people.
God, satan, Elohim, a virgin Mary, a "holy" trinity, Jesus on a cross... all of these are myths. Can you trademark a myth?
Mormons calling themselves christians has as much veracity as any other group calling themselves christians. It's all a myth anyway.
People who reject their children because they are gay are choosing to believe an unproven and conveniently unprovable myth over supporting and loving their own flesh-and-blood children. Shameful, that.
I agree with you that they're both myths.. and it wouldn't matter much EXCEPT....

Moism tries to grow by stealing believers in the other myth by making it seem like another brand of the same thing. I'd rather that mainstream Christians know the truth about the Mo deception and not fall for it so that Moism shrinks to the irrelevant fable that it deserves to be.

I believe Moism is much more dangerous than mainstream christianity because they're much more political, for one thing. For another, they're much more deceptive in what they want to do. Finally, it's their interest to establish a Mo theocracy - and that wouldn't work for anybody.

So I point out the differences for these very real reasons.

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#16 Jan 1, 2012
Haw Haw wrote:
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I agree with you that they're both myths.. and it wouldn't matter much EXCEPT....
Moism tries to grow by stealing believers in the other myth by making it seem like another brand of the same thing.


Your position assumes that people belong to or are owned by one myth over the other and therefore any appeal them is "stealing". That's an argument as irrational as it is illogical.
Haw Haw wrote:
I'd rather that mainstream Christians know the truth about the Mo deception and not fall for it so that Moism shrinks to the irrelevant fable that it deserves to be.
If both are "irrelevant fables", then what's the difference? Both are wrong. Both should be rejected. And neither should be granted preferential treatment under the law.
Haw Haw wrote:
I believe Moism is much more dangerous than mainstream christianity because they're much more political, for one thing.


You can't be serious! Evangelical christian groups and catholic groups are all becoming more and more involved in political matters. The pro-Prop 8 money didn't just come from mormons; a large chunk came from the Knights of Columbus, a catholic group. Someone tell the archbishop in New York to put a sock in it about civil marriage or start paying taxes like other political advocacy groups.
Haw Haw wrote:
For another, they're much more deceptive in what they want to do.
Feel free to provide evidence of this marginal difference in deceptive practices. With tax exemptions and the ever-watchful eye of the IRS, all sorts of deceptive practices are needed from all of these myth groups.
Haw Haw wrote:
Finally, it's their interest to establish a Mo theocracy - and that wouldn't work for anybody.
It's the interest of many religious groups to establish a theocracy or at least promote preferential treatment of mythological institutions. Mormons aren't any more unique in that.
Haw Haw wrote:
So I point out the differences for these very real reasons.
And ignore the similarities.
Haw Haw

Chicago, IL

#17 Jan 1, 2012
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
Your position assumes that people belong to or are owned by one myth over the other and therefore any appeal them is "stealing". That's an argument as irrational as it is illogical.
<quoted text>
If both are "irrelevant fables", then what's the difference? Both are wrong. Both should be rejected. And neither should be granted preferential treatment under the law.
<quoted text>
You can't be serious! Evangelical christian groups and catholic groups are all becoming more and more involved in political matters. The pro-Prop 8 money didn't just come from mormons; a large chunk came from the Knights of Columbus, a catholic group. Someone tell the archbishop in New York to put a sock in it about civil marriage or start paying taxes like other political advocacy groups.
<quoted text>
Feel free to provide evidence of this marginal difference in deceptive practices. With tax exemptions and the ever-watchful eye of the IRS, all sorts of deceptive practices are needed from all of these myth groups.
<quoted text>
It's the interest of many religious groups to establish a theocracy or at least promote preferential treatment of mythological institutions. Mormons aren't any more unique in that.
<quoted text>
And ignore the similarities.
Boy, somebody sure woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Too much partying last night?

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#18 Jan 1, 2012
Haw Haw wrote:
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Boy, somebody sure woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Too much partying last night?
No, not at all. I don't even drink. I just saw irrational claims and illogical arguments posted on a public forum, and I responded.

What's your excuse?

“laugh until your belly hurts”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#19 Jan 1, 2012
Steve wrote:
<quoted text>
Most people are going to laugh at that uneducated statement, but let me just assure people that faithful members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints humbly worship Jesus Christ and seek to be His disciples in His work. There isn't a better description of what a Christian is.
you're wrong. nobody, including the federal gov't. has ever called the lsd church anything other than a cult. they follow the teachings of their 'prophets' and of the alcoholic murder, joe smith, of palmyra, ny. not jesus.

Since: Apr 10

Parker, CO

#22 Jan 1, 2012
Vaccines Maim Kill wrote:
Endocrine disruption and transgenderism
www.huffingtonpost.com/deidre-imus/could-endo...
Transsexualism linked to endocrine disruptors
www.transadvocate.org/articles/edc1.htm
Aluminum in vaccines, why its a dangerous ingredient: http://nostudentleftbehind.org/Vaccines.html
Aluminum hydroxide vaccine adjuvant leads to motor deficits, motor neuron deficits and linked to Gulf War Syndrome, alzheimers and ALS.
www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/12635...
hey numnuts if you took the time to read REAL science you would know why what you claim is false, if it were true nearly EVERYONE would be trans, not the extreamly small percentage that is, by your logic I could say that drinking water and breathing air causes people to be trans, gay, go bald, get cancer, get aids, have hemorids, hearing loss, colds, the flu, TB, blindness, bad knees, arthritis, etc... just becasue some people are trans and they happen to have had vaccines, is NOT a link between the two, I know someone who drove a red pickup truck, he happens to have made over a million dollers so you would say driving a red truck makes you a millionare?
tens of millions of people had vaccines and ARE NOT autistic, tens of thousands of people are autistic and didnt have vaccines. YOUR LOGIC FAILS EVERY TEST shut the hell up and leave us alone, stop trying to pin something that is caused in early develoment in the womb to something that takes place later.
LA VERITE

Lacon, IL

#25 Jan 3, 2012
Catholic position:

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
rider

Gwinn, MI

#27 Jan 3, 2012
I can now report on a criminal conspiracy so vast and monstrous it defies imagination. Using “Christian” groups as tax-exempt and cleverly camouflaged covers, wealthy right-wing businessmen and “clergy” have now assumed firm control over the biggest prize of all – the government of the United States of America. First, some housekeeping is in order. My use of the term “Christian” is merely to clearly identify the criminal conspirators who have chosen to misuse their self-avowed devotion to Jesus Christ to advance a very un-Christian agenda. The term “Christian Mafia” is what several Washington politicians have termed the major conspirators and it is not intended to debase Christians or infer that they are criminals . I will also use the term Nazi – not for shock value – but to properly tag the political affiliations of the early founders of the so-called “Christian” power cult called the Fellowship. The most important element of this story is that a destructive religious movement has now achieved almost total control over the machinery of government of the United States – its executive, its legislature, several state governments, and soon, the federal judiciary, including the U.S. Supreme Court.
Not only was Vereide pro-Hitler, he was the only Norwegian of note, who was not officially a Nazi, who never condemned Norwegian Nazi leader Vidkun Quisling, a man whose name has become synonymous with traitor and who was executed in 1945. Vereide and Quisling were almost the same age, Vereide was born in 1886, Quisling in 1887. They both shared a link with the clergy, Vereide was a Methodist minister and Quisling was the son of a Lutheran minister. The Norwegian link to the Fellowship continues to this day but more on that later.



Another pro-Nazi Christian fundamentalist group that arose in the pre-Second World War years was the Moral Rearmament Movement. Its leader was Frank Buchman,
http://insider-magazine.org/ChristianMafia.ht...
Brody

Europe

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