US: Gun Safety Class Student Michael Piemonte Shot by Instructor

Aug 13, 2013 Full story: International Business Times 6

Terry Dunlap was showing a handgun to the 29 students attending a concealed-carry class at his shooting range near the city of Lancaster when the weapon went off.

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“Pompous pontificator”

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#1 Aug 13, 2013
New rule, NO LOADED firearms in show n tell class.
THE best way to ensure safety is to establish and strictly FOLLOW rules.

Just because you CAN have a FA in class doesn't mean it MUST be loaded. Actually, it would make perfect sense to exclude all ammo from the indoor portion of a class. When I qualified for CCW, there was an indoor class situation, then live firing outside later that day. I brought my pistol, but left it in my car. Some others did the same. While sitting there in class, a few had their weapons and were fiddling with them. I found this very unprofessional of the host to not have absolute rules about this in place for all to know BEFORE walking in the door. IOW, do not bring your firearm into class until asked to do-so. OR at least check all FAs before entering the room/building.

When asked for mine, I and the other like-minded folks went to their cars to get them.
And this no ammo inside rule should go for the INSTRUCTOR TOO.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#2 Aug 13, 2013
Bubbletoes wrote:
New rule, NO LOADED firearms in show n tell class.
THE best way to ensure safety is to establish and strictly FOLLOW rules.
Just because you CAN have a FA in class doesn't mean it MUST be loaded. Actually, it would make perfect sense to exclude all ammo from the indoor portion of a class. When I qualified for CCW, there was an indoor class situation, then live firing outside later that day. I brought my pistol, but left it in my car. Some others did the same. While sitting there in class, a few had their weapons and were fiddling with them. I found this very unprofessional of the host to not have absolute rules about this in place for all to know BEFORE walking in the door. IOW, do not bring your firearm into class until asked to do-so. OR at least check all FAs before entering the room/building.
When asked for mine, I and the other like-minded folks went to their cars to get them.
And this no ammo inside rule should go for the INSTRUCTOR TOO.
Excellent , no other word for it.
freedomfromtyran ny

Saint Charles, IL

#3 Aug 13, 2013
Careful how we word, "no ammo allowed inside", the lefties will take that to mean, "even Gun owners know they are unsafe" I say check the ammo at the class door and have a veteran gun owner check the chamber.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#4 Aug 13, 2013
Hmmm. The last "enhanced" class I took many of the class also left their guns in their cars. The instructor asked why would you come to a gun class without your gun. His words were "If I can't trust you with a gun in my class then I sure don't want you out in public with one". No one was killed or even shot. He had been teaching gun classes for over 30 years and had yet to be shot by a student. Yes the risk is slightly higher but considering the numbers of guns among us daily that you don't even see and the numbers of people killed in a safety class or even a shooting range is so low, your drive there and back is much more dangerous. I personally was more afraid of the idiots on the road going and coming than anyone I've ever met in a gun class. Most students taking a class are more mature and responsible or they would not bother with the class to start with.

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

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#5 Aug 13, 2013
Just caution students to bring only unloaded (inspected/checked) guns in the classroom.

Don't treat guns like ticking time bombs.

Remember rifle class in boot camp ? Remember when you got your rifle from the armory to clean it with another company of personnel ? Never seen an accident in those situations.

Most important: be prepared for sabotage. Thousands of people hate guns and gun owners and love it when we kill each other with guns.

“Pompous pontificator”

Since: Jun 08

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#6 Aug 13, 2013
Clarification to Tray etal. The class I was speaking of was a first time class for people wanting a Concealed Weapons Permit. Nobody knew anybody-else; we were all strangers and there was no way to know what, if any, experience anybody had. So, in that situation, I thought the people hosting the class should have made it crystal clear how, when or IF they wanted students to bring their pistols into the classroom.

Advanced classes might be a bit different, but rules is rules and everybody should know them.

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