Group brainstorms how to bring health care to underserved commu...

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A Latina with no car needs cancer treatment, so she leaves her house at 5 a.m. on a trek to the hospital.

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Skeptic

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Sep 20, 2009
 
The deficit is mind boggling!!! The Obama solution is to print more fiat money, thereby decreasing the value of money in circulation, causing inflation!
That's why the price of gold topped $1000.00/ounce,
it is all due to Obmama's lack of financial wisdom.

The bottom line is, Obama will wipe out every penny we've got saved by his irresponsible fiscal policies, and bringing in Social medicine so he can get more voters is reprehensible.

He'll wipe out the country financially just so he can get voters. It is morally, and ethically repugnant.

The reason he doesn't mind ruining the USA, is he's not a patriot, he hates the system of the USA, a real citizen would never harm their country.
great more handouts wrote:
Just what we need more handouts for mexicans. How about they spend the money on something we actually need.
Seriously Sentinel

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#3
Sep 20, 2009
 
MARISSA CEVALLOS? who, what, where, when and why? Is this considered to be any thing like journalism? Getting up at 5 to make an appointment?, there are literally hundreds of organized Spanish speaking groups out there, including cancer support groups, and which MD told an elderly woman to eat "organics'? But mostly I want to know who pays for Acosta's clinics?
Dave

Santa Cruz, CA

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#5
Sep 20, 2009
 
WHAT??? these people are non US Nationals ... they should get free / subsidized health care ? They come from Mexico ... either they pay for their own health insurance which is impossible in the US ... simply too expensive or their emloyer should be responsible for them.
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Sep 20, 2009
 
Skeptic wrote:
The deficit is mind boggling!!! The Obama solution is to print more fiat money, thereby decreasing the value of money in circulation, causing inflation!
That's why the price of gold topped $1000.00/ounce,
it is all due to Obmama's lack of financial wisdom.
The bottom line is, Obama will wipe out every penny we've got saved by his irresponsible fiscal policies, and bringing in Social medicine so he can get more voters is reprehensible.
He'll wipe out the country financially just so he can get voters. It is morally, and ethically repugnant.
The reason he doesn't mind ruining the USA, is he's not a patriot, he hates the system of the USA, a real citizen would never harm their country.
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check out this movie on the money supply system .

http://www.secretofoz.com/
freedom

Palo Alto, CA

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Sep 20, 2009
 
Sarah Palin Joe Wilson wrote:
The conservatives are masters at repeating lies until they become facts in many peoples minds. Remember the swift boat campaign? It worked and that's what they are doing now, death panels, free health care for illegal immigrants ect. But remember they were in charge for 8 years and turned out to be completely incompetent at best and in many cases dangerous (torture, patriot act) to name a few legacies.

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Two wrongs don't make a right. Whatch out any time the government requires everybody, aginst their will to do anything. Remember we are a free country and not everybody wants to be in this program. Maby we should have a doctors with out borders in Watsonville.
Dave

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Sep 20, 2009
 
Information is Key wrote:
Conservatives like this just keep repeating the same lies. Remember the swift boat campaign? Most people are too lazy to check out the facts, it's never been easier to inform yourself.
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you are correct, it's easy for the powers that be to brain wash a 95% of society through control of papers & tv .. with the internet there is no excuse for ignorance. This country IS broke, TRILLIONS in the red, money that can never pay back. printing doesn't help much either, it simply devalues what's in circulation already. The days of the US empire are almost over, maintaining military bases around the globe is fiscal insanity. Why are concervatives content with paying 40% more for their healthcare than France or Germany or Japan .? and for far less. The GOP are masters at mind control and brain washing the mindless Fox news watching idiots.
Dems have been fooled too with their new "savior" ... Obama is simply a puppet.
woot

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#11
Sep 20, 2009
 
substitute White American for any of the people mentioned in this story and it would be called racism but as we all know White people don't get Cancer, Heart attacks or have high blood pressure and most importantly there aren't any poor White people that need medical care. Nah let's go the sympathy route and call the our first victim a Latina instead of a female so we can emphasize how we want segregation unless it hurts out financial interests
aisling__

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Sep 20, 2009
 
Information is Key wrote:
Conservatives like this just keep repeating the same lies. Remember the swift boat campaign? Most people are too lazy to check out the facts, it's never been easier to inform yourself.
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No. People are checking out the facts. It isn't like the last time when they passed legislation re the stimulus package which they passed at record speed. It seems that the American public is more educated to the healthcare than even Obama who stated that he wasn't aware of some things in what he attempted to push through.

Even Pelosi stated that they would swear to read all legislation end to end before going forward.

It's too bad that our law makers now have a little problem w/the "transparency" and due to the public dissecting the proposed healthcare legislation. I guess that's what transpires when you future generations will have to foot the bill for trillions of dollars.

Obama wanted transparency? And now, people finally have it and they do not like what they see. Too bad it took trillions and the taxpayers being in the hole to finally wake people up... opting out for more of that "change" for the worse.
aisling__

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Sep 20, 2009
 
*opting out of, rather.
Out on a limb

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Sep 20, 2009
 
"More clinics could offer bilingual services, a physician suggested."

I suppose it would be too much to ask for the people living in a country that provides them free services to learn the language of the country?
James Anderson Merritt

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Sep 20, 2009
 
Skeptic is right. Higher prices for gold, stocks, and other goods and services don't mean those things are miraculously worth more or that greedy suppliers are gouging us on prices. It is that our monetary policy has made the dollar worth LESS. The dollar is worth less because the government has been creating more of it -- primarily from debt!-- at a higher rate than ever before.

The key job of the Federal Reserve is simply described: make sure that the number of dollars out in the world closely matches the actual amount of value in the economy. Unfortunately, this simply worded mission requires a lot of difficult, confusing detail-work, which it is clear that the Fed has not itself mastered. Why do I say this? Because the Fed has not only presided over numerous recessions and depressions, but also because the dollar today is worth only pennies -- about a nickel, according to the government's CPI calculator -- compared to the dollar that existed when the Fed was founded. In other words, the Fed has allowed at least twenty times as much money to come into the economy over the decades as was required to support the economy's actual growth. In any other line of work, failure so profound would result in termination, not to mention deserve public ridicule and scorn. But today we see proposals that the Fed should have even MORE authority and power. Forget "too big to fail." The Fed is, apparently, too failure prone not to be BIGGER!

In olden times (and still today, in some places elsewhere in the world) the money system was based on the idea of trading value for value. The thing used for money had its own value; you got it through valuable, productive activity (mining, refining) and traded it for whatever you wanted. The recipient could trade it for whatever he or she wanted, and so on. The principle was value first, and then money as a token for that already existing value. Today, however, the principle is money first, and then people have to work (or trade assets) to discharge the debt represented by money. Of course, interest on the underlying debt must be paid, as well, which makes even moderately well-managed banks fabulously wealthy.

We need to get away from the debt-based system, which is like the Las Vegas system: Some people can make out well in the short term, but over the long term, the house gets it all.
woot

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Sep 20, 2009
 
Out on a limb wrote:
"More clinics could offer bilingual services, a physician suggested."
I suppose it would be too much to ask for the people living in a country that provides them free services to learn the language of the country?
well if they did that how could they employ one of their buddies to be a translator paid for by gov't funding? You really need to think outside the box like all these people do now that they have access to a money train called the American taxpayer. It's amazing how they survived in their old country through thick or thin but once they made it up to El Norte they suddenly need a myriad of expensive medical services
James Anderson Merritt

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#18
Sep 20, 2009
 
Just as the economy shouldn't be based on money created from debt, the health care industry shouldn't be based on "insurance" or anything like it, whether provided by employers, the government, or personally purchased. If you really want to contain costs and make medical goods and services more generally available and affordable for everybody, we must find a way to extract ourselves from the insurance harness and start making individuals once again responsible for selecting their own providers, procedures, and treatments -- and then for paying the bill.

It took us a full 65 years to get so thoroughly bound up in the highly regulated, insurance-based model that so many of us can't even conceive any other way to approach health care, much less entertain alternative approaches that minimize the role of insurance, so it won't be easy to disentangle ourselves. But if we don't do it, things will only get worse for us.

Rather than letting government determine who can practice medicine or provide drugs, medical devices, etc., we should reclaim the authority to personally authorize anyone to provide us with necessary goods and services. The rationale for this is simple and true: As an adult, you own your body and your life. You alone are and should be responsible for the conduct of your life and the disposition of your body -- how you nourish and exercise it, how you use it in recreation and employment, how you preserve its health (or not), and ultimately, how you deal with it at end-of-life. No government has the proper authority to override or coerce your decisions. You are also entitled to contract with anyone to carry out your wishes -- in particular, to choose a physician or pharmacist, licensed or not, and receive treatment or pharmaceuticals from them as you please.

If we simply had this concept in the law -- I would make it a constitutional amendment!-- a great many things that are broken in the economy and the body politic could be mended.
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Sep 20, 2009
 
I wanted to add that the concept of self-ownership and the entitlement to contract with others to execute the decisions authorized by self-ownership would go a long way toward allowing re-establishing competition and innovation in the medical marketplace. We could no longer justify the retention of laws that restricted the supply of medical practitioners, devices and drugs. The FDA might not approve a procedure or a drug, for example, but you would have the ultimate authority of approval for yourself, so would not need to leave the country to use experimental therapies. You would have your pick of licensed and unlicensed practitioners to serve your needs -- the latter might actually provide service that was just as safe but even more cost-effective for you. You would learn to trust various "brand names" for medical goods and services, and be able to count on ratings services such as Consumer Reports and Underwriter Labs to honestly and thoroughly report on the quality, effectiveness, and safety of various practitioners and products.

For those who wonder how standards would be kept high in a world where the government-licensed and unlicensed, the government-approved and unapproved, competed for your health care dollar, bear in mind that, by some reasonable estimates, our current system already kills a million or more patients every year from mistakes in treatment, surgery, or drug prescription -- so-called "iatrogenic" deaths. The number of "iatrogenic" injuries is much higher. So the choice isn't between a wild-west system that kills patients through incompetence, left and right, and a government-approved and policed, professional medical system that occasionally loses patients despite the best efforts of practitioners. Our existing system is already killing upwards of a million people per year in the US (2740 per DAY, better than 114 per hour or almost 2 per second) and injuring many more. While you read this, our current system will kill -- not just mistakenly allow to die, but actively kill!-- probably two or three people. And by the way, it costs at least $300B for this deadly treatment. So not only are people dying unnecessarily, they or others on their behalf are PAYING top dollar for the privilege. It is not idle speculation to wonder if a different approach might not improve this situation.
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Sep 20, 2009
 
Dead beats wrote:
You mean like auto insurance? That's what I thought, you don't want to get hit by a mexican without car insurance? Well I'm tired of paying high health insurance premiums because of people without health insurance are the same people who don't pay their hospital bills, I do. Time to FORCE the dead beats to pay up.
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I can choose not to drive.
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#22
Sep 20, 2009
 
In this country you can not provide health care to everyone under one plan. It won't be practical nor effective. You have to give a choice of three tier plan to cover each and everyone here. First plan - where individuals buy their own insurance; second plan - where employes provide health care to their emplyees; and third plan - where Govt. opens free clinics and open new hospitals to provide health care to the poor and homeless people.

To cut down the cost of health care - must have caps on Malpractice insurances premiums and Awards, as well as health insurance premiums including pre-existing conditions.

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Sep 20, 2009
 
Burnt bybussy wrote:
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I can choose not to drive.
I fully agree with your opinion, like any other business let it be a competetive field and leave it on the doctor and the patient to make the choices. By elemenating the isurance companies from the middle the cost of health care will go down by itself.
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#24
Sep 25, 2009
 
Here's an Idea... Send the Mexicans back to Mexico!
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