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Libya says building case against Gaddafi son: ICC prosecutor

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Observer

Tripoli, Libya

#64 May 1, 2012
kiwi wrote:
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Sorry I can´t find a full list of names at the site. Could you be more specific with the link? Btw. How many names should it be there at the moment? 51 or 75?
And back to the clip. What I see are rebels lining up for a Sirte attack. Made by somebody sitting on a turret of either Russian BMP-1 or MT-LB vehicle. I´d say BMP-1 as there is an empty mount for a Malyutka missile visible in front of the APV.The vehicle has its back hatches (skies) open and there are non-Libyans with guns on it. In the background there is a patchwork of different vehicles captured from The Armed Forces of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya and some of them carry pink or maybe purple, as its official name is "maroon", flags. Purpose of the flags is simple, they should serve as a recognition mark for the NATO aircraft. Among them there are ZSU-23-4 Shilka, Libya had 250 of them in service. The vehicles presence is quite surprising as I´d expect all of them already destroyed as a first take attack targets. If you see different, I can´t help you as I don´t have an ID card or at least an e-mail address of the author.
I must confess that I was wasting my time, sorry kiwi, have a goodnight sleep.

Since: Jul 11

Berlin, Germany

#65 May 2, 2012
kiwi wrote:
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...And back to the clip. What I see are rebels lining up for a Sirte attack. Made by somebody sitting on a turret of either Russian BMP-1 or MT-LB vehicle. I´d say BMP-1 as there is an empty mount for a Malyutka missile visible in front of the APV.The vehicle has its back hatches (skies) open and there are non-Libyans with guns on it. In the background there is a patchwork of different vehicles captured from The Armed Forces of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya and some of them carry pink or maybe purple, as its official name is "maroon", flags.
Your comments in regards to this clip have now become totally irrational. There is absolutely nothing in the clip to suggest that these guys are Libyan rebels or British soldiers or that they are in Libya somewhere. There are a whole lot of countries that have this combination of arms equipment and topography. Accept it and move on.
Purpose of the flags is simple, they should serve as a recognition mark for the NATO aircraft. Among them there are ZSU-23-4 Shilka, Libya had 250 of them in service. The vehicles presence is quite surprising as I´d expect all of them already destroyed as a first take attack targets. If you see different, I can´t help you as I don´t have an ID card or at least an e-mail address of the author.
As far as I remember the markings used by the rebels to avoid getting confused by NATO planes for loyalist units were the same colours used in the Kingdom of Libya flag. And the most plausible explanation that these vehicles have survived NATO bombings is that this is not in Libya. Accept it and move on.
kiwi

Frenstat, Czech Republic

#66 May 2, 2012
Ditto Dog wrote:
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Your comments in regards to this clip have now become totally irrational. There is absolutely nothing in the clip to suggest that these guys are Libyan rebels or British soldiers or that they are in Libya somewhere. There are a whole lot of countries that have this combination of arms equipment and topography. Accept it and move on.
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As far as I remember the markings used by the rebels to avoid getting confused by NATO planes for loyalist units were the same colours used in the Kingdom of Libya flag. And the most plausible explanation that these vehicles have survived NATO bombings is that this is not in Libya. Accept it and move on.
Show me one single country except of Libya with T-55, T-72, M-113, BMP-1, ZSU-23-4 and unknown self propelled howitzer lining up together in a desert and I´ll make a deep apologise.
If I were a desert fighter, I´d definitelly prefer "maroon" colour of the flag than something more dark, especially with a green strip on it. Too much friendly firing in last months would persuade me. Have you forgotten? Plus, when I am a soldier, very well serving to my Sheik, why shouldn´t I be proud of carrying of my homeland flag?

Since: Jul 11

Berlin, Germany

#67 May 2, 2012
kiwi wrote:
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Show me one single country except of Libya with T-55, T-72, M-113, BMP-1, ZSU-23-4 and unknown self propelled howitzer lining up together in a desert and I´ll make a deep apologise.
I’d gladly oblige but you’ve become completely blind to anything that might force you to rethink your view of the world. I fear, you’d simply refuse to acknowledge even the most verifiable and hardest evidence I could ever offer you.

BTW, if you’d open your mind a little you’d realise that your video clip is of an army unit in a desert country other then Libya but I don’t expect you to acknowledge that.
If I were a desert fighter, I´d definitelly prefer "maroon" colour of the flag than something more dark, especially with a green strip on it. Too much friendly firing in last months would persuade me. Have you forgotten? Plus, when I am a soldier, very well serving to my Sheik, why shouldn´t I be proud of carrying of my homeland flag?
This is what I mean. You refuse to accept reality even to the point that you argue that a clearly red flag is maroon. Before that you even said it was pink. It used to be a treat arguing with you but that was long ago when you were still rational.
kiwi

Frenstat, Czech Republic

#68 May 2, 2012
Ditto Dog wrote:
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I’d gladly oblige but you’ve become completely blind to anything that might force you to rethink your view of the world. I fear, you’d simply refuse to acknowledge even the most verifiable and hardest evidence I could ever offer you.
BTW, if you’d open your mind a little you’d realise that your video clip is of an army unit in a desert country other then Libya but I don’t expect you to acknowledge that.
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This is what I mean. You refuse to accept reality even to the point that you argue that a clearly red flag is maroon. Before that you even said it was pink. It used to be a treat arguing with you but that was long ago when you were still rational.
What about to rather show me other than Libya country with so peculiar mixture of weaponry? I wonder why you are so stubbornly trying to deny that video? Britons is Libya? Why? Even BBC reports about them:

Qataris? French Le Figaro wrote about 5.000 of Qataris months ago. Slowly ruined picture of poorly equipped, on-the-run trained, brave students and other nonproffessional fighters able to overcome army soldiers and allegedly present dogs of war? Most likely.

Since: Jul 11

Berlin, Germany

#69 May 2, 2012
kiwi wrote:
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What about to rather show me other than Libya country with so peculiar mixture of weaponry? I wonder why you are so stubbornly trying to deny that video? Britons is Libya? Why? Even BBC reports about them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =U5nLjPhONw4XX
Qataris? French Le Figaro wrote about 5.000 of Qataris months ago. Slowly ruined picture of poorly equipped, on-the-run trained, brave students and other nonproffessional fighters able to overcome army soldiers and allegedly present dogs of war? Most likely.
I'm not being stubborn about the video clip. You’re just demanding that I see something in the clip that is just not there, a maroon flag where there is only a red one. It's a manipulated piece of work that is not at all worth the attention it is being given here.

So the BBC reported involvement of special forces in Libya. Not a big secret really. And If you watched the report all the way through you will know that these were in Libya in their capacity as unarmed advisers. 5 000 Qatari troops? Be realistic. You’re not trying to say that a few unarmed British and French special forces and 5 000 Qatari troops managed to finish off Gaddhafi’s regular forces?

The report even says that the Libyan rebels were at first not very effective until they had received crash combat courses.
kiwi

Frenstat, Czech Republic

#70 May 2, 2012
Ditto Dog wrote:
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I'm not being stubborn about the video clip. You’re just demanding that I see something in the clip that is just not there, a maroon flag where there is only a red one. It's a manipulated piece of work that is not at all worth the attention it is being given here.
So the BBC reported involvement of special forces in Libya. Not a big secret really. And If you watched the report all the way through you will know that these were in Libya in their capacity as unarmed advisers. 5 000 Qatari troops? Be realistic. You’re not trying to say that a few unarmed British and French special forces and 5 000 Qatari troops managed to finish off Gaddhafi’s regular forces?
The report even says that the Libyan rebels were at first not very effective until they had received crash combat courses.
Yes that´s exactly what I want to say. Uncompetent, chaotical, unable to train and not willing even to dig a self protection trench bandits won´t be ever able to stick their noses somewhere further of Ajdabiya. Only after British and French boots on ground in cooperation with the air force attacks of commanding posts, communication nods, ammunition storages and weapons in general and only after Qatari troops were able to secure so so functional Benghazi background, only after that were rebels able to slowly and painfuly move to Zlitan to get to the position of a stalemate. No matters Baird encouraged them to proceed to fight they would stay there forever.
Thankfully Berbers from Nafusa and especially 200 Zlitani area brigades, supplied with ammo and fuel by Tunisians, were able to push towards Tripoli from South West and succefully break much weaker defence there. Berbers were not given a single seat among NTC for that.
kiwi

Frenstat, Czech Republic

#71 May 2, 2012
Sorry Zintani brigades, of course.
Observer

Tripoli, Libya

#72 May 2, 2012
kiwi wrote:
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Yes that´s exactly what I want to say. Uncompetent, chaotical, unable to train and not willing even to dig a self protection trench bandits won´t be ever able to stick their noses somewhere further of Ajdabiya. Only after British and French boots on ground in cooperation with the air force attacks of commanding posts, communication nods, ammunition storages and weapons in general and only after Qatari troops were able to secure so so functional Benghazi background, only after that were rebels able to slowly and painfuly move to Zlitan to get to the position of a stalemate. No matters Baird encouraged them to proceed to fight they would stay there forever.
Thankfully Berbers from Nafusa and especially 200 Zlitani area brigades, supplied with ammo and fuel by Tunisians, were able to push towards Tripoli from South West and succefully break much weaker defence there. Berbers were not given a single seat among NTC for that.
Blundering again for the third time in a row, lie after lie.
Berber Members at NTC:
Jamal Saleh Omar Isa: Kabaw
Salem M. Gnan: Nalut, has been on many news channels
Abdurrazzag S. Madi: Yefren
Hbeil Arbi Mohamed : Jadoo
Riyad A. Abusshawashi: Zwara
Abdulla Amru S. Alhumrani. Rhebaat
Find out form a map where those towns are located kiwi.
Observer

Tripoli, Libya

#73 May 2, 2012
http://www.ntc.gov.ly/
go down the page, click the box with 3 the words at far left, then use google transtale to translate the whole page, then you will see the names of all NTC members withe their cities and towns kiwi.
kiwi

Frenstat, Czech Republic

#74 May 2, 2012
Observer wrote:
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Blundering again for the third time in a row, lie after lie.
Berber Members at NTC:
Jamal Saleh Omar Isa: Kabaw
Salem M. Gnan: Nalut, has been on many news channels
Abdurrazzag S. Madi: Yefren
Hbeil Arbi Mohamed : Jadoo
Riyad A. Abusshawashi: Zwara
Abdulla Amru S. Alhumrani. Rhebaat
Find out form a map where those towns are located kiwi.
Thanks Observer, apparently failure of the source, or lie, depends on why the author did not mention Berbers in NTC. Maybe too old info from NOV 25th, 2011, Reuters retaken as fresh. Or I made a fault and changed meaning of the NTC "membership" and "minister seat." http://docstalk.blogspot.com/2012/04/libya-as... A point to be more careful and double check.

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