Gay group organizes 'Pink Christmas' in Amsterdam, manger with ...

A Dutch gay group has organized a "Pink Christmas " festival for the first time in Amsterdam, featuring a manger stall with two Josephs and two Marys.

[joe poli]

Why don't they go to Mecca and set up the same exhibit? The Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet.

[jakem66]

joe poli wrote:

Why don't they go to Mecca and set up the same exhibit? The Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet.

That's in our agenda for a few years down the road...

[Krissa]

I don't know why people are so sensitive about this. Most biblical scholars agree that Jesus was not even born in September, but the early leaders of the Christian church decided to celebrate the birth of Christ around the same time as the winter solstice (to help attract pagans, perhaps!)
Jesus loves everyone, no exceptions. If two Marys or two Josephs want to raise a child in a loving home, I'd suspect JC would be down with that.

[Cindy]

Krissa,
even if "JC" would be "down with" two Marys or two Josephs raising a child together in a loving home - he was not raised by two Marys or two Josephs. Thus this portion of the "Pink Christmas" exhibit does become a mockery.

[jakem66]

Cindy wrote:

Krissa,
even if "JC" would be "down with" two Marys or two Josephs raising a child together in a loving home - he was not raised by two Marys or two Josephs. Thus this portion of the "Pink Christmas" exhibit does become a mockery.

Not much of a mockery, more of a re-imagining...

[Lori Carlson]

Palin for President wrote:

This is sooooo nice and there is a LOT of historical and biblical documentation to support it. Why do you think Jesus never got married? It's because he WAS gay.

Really? would you care to share that "historical and biblical documentation" with the rest of the class? If this type of display was done featuring Mohammed, there would be rioting around the world and someone's head would have been cut off by now. Because Christians are tolerant of abuse, does not make that abuse okay. This display is in poor taste and it is offensive. That does not make it illegal, but I don't have to like it. My expression of my opinion of the display is also not illegal (yet).

[Krissa]

Cindy wrote:

Krissa,
even if "JC" would be "down with" two Marys or two Josephs raising a child together in a loving home - he was not raised by two Marys or two Josephs. Thus this portion of the "Pink Christmas" exhibit does become a mockery.

I see your point, and I mean no disrespect... but we really don't know much about Jesus's birth or childhood beyond what the Bible tells us. He probably was not raised in a "non-traditional" home, but as a Christian and a heterosexual, I'm not really offended by this. I think Jesus would be far more offended by the commercialism of the holiday celebrating his birth! ;)

[Krissa]

Reid_Greenmun wrote:

Obviously extra prayers are needed by the disciples of Jesus Christ everywhere for those lost souls that fail to honor their Creator and who will openly mock God and his followers by mocking the religious beliefs of Christians.
Based on the teaching found in the Christian Bible it is obvious that God /Jesus would be displeased with both secular attempts to confuse and pervert their truth – that being the effort to transform the celebration of Jesus’ birth into an excuse for stimulating retail sales as well as using the celebration of Christ’s birth as an excuse to promote the blasphemous and sinful homosexual behavior clearly admonished by God's holy scriptures.
According to God’s Word as documented within the Christian Bible, homosexuality is a perversion of God’s Love. God is Love and God is truth. Christians understand these truths by studying God’s Word and by prayerful meditation and discernment.
The Christ-like response to such sexual confusion should be for Christians to do our best to help those individuals who are lost – to help them to find their way back to the salvation that Jesus died to offer them.

You're talking about Leviticus 18:22, right? The whole "abomination" thing, right?
Well, in the very same book of the bible, it says that eating shellfish is an abomination, too. You may want to lay off the shrimp cocktail at your upcoming Christamas gatherings. So is wearing two different kinds of fabric, so I hope you're not wearing a cotton shirt under a wool sweater.

Oh, and by the way, many intelligent biblical scholars state that the word which was translated from the original hebrew to "abomination" does not have an exact literal transation to English - that it really means more like "not normal".

If you're going to pick and choose what passages of the bible are God's word, why don't you start with "Love your neighbor as yourself" and "The meek shall inherit the earth?"
Peace.:)

[jakem66]

Krissa wrote:

<quoted text>
You're talking about Leviticus 18:22, right? The whole "abomination" thing, right?
Well, in the very same book of the bible, it says that eating shellfish is an abomination, too. You may want to lay off the shrimp cocktail at your upcoming Christamas gatherings. So is wearing two different kinds of fabric, so I hope you're not wearing a cotton shirt under a wool sweater.
Oh, and by the way, many intelligent biblical scholars state that the word which was translated from the original hebrew to "abomination" does not have an exact literal transation to English - that it really means more like "not normal".
If you're going to pick and choose what passages of the bible are God's word, why don't you start with "Love your neighbor as yourself" and "The meek shall inherit the earth?"
Peace.:)

You also forgot the part of Leviticus that states slavery is ok. Or the part of the New Testament that states Divorce as Adultery and the part of the Old Testament that says Death is (by hanging or being crushed by stones, not sure which way) is the only acceptable punishment for Adultery.

[Reid_Greenmun]

Krissa, Christian children of God are not at liberty to pick and choose what portions of the Bible they are to obey. God makes the rules, we follow them. It is not too complicated.

As to loving my neighbor - that is exactly what I stated in my comment - that being that the greatest act of love any Christain can undertake is to serve others by offering them our help to guide them unto a path whereby they are able to receive God's Grace and obtain their eternal salvation. Salvation offered thanks to Jesus' blood shed on the cross.

As I stated, prayers are a proper response - prayers for the benfit of those that have not yet found their way to admit their sins, repent, confess Christ as their savior, and ask their Lord for forgiveness and mercy.

If you can't appreciate that this is an act of love, let me try to explain it better.

If a person were about to fall of a cliff while walking backwards. A cliff that was so high that person would surely die as a result of their fall. You have many choices available to you.

You can do nothing - or you can try to help.

Out of love you can choose to take personal action to save them.

Out of indifference or hate you can allow them to die.

I simply suggested that Christains should take action to help those that are lost avoid their eternal death.

This is an example of loving one's neighbor.

Peace be to you as well. After all, Jesus is the Prince of peace.

[Viagra]

Would be nice. Decorate the place in pink and perhaps have a parade. The mayor could give a speech and we could have a BIG old time

[jakem66]

Liars wrote:

<quoted text>
Leviticus NEVER says that slavery is okay, and the "slavery" that is mentioned is "indentured servitude" as opposed to the slavery you're thinking of. Moses brought the Israelites out of true slavery.
In regards to the New Testament on homosexuality, Romans 1:27 makes it pretty clear. Its not talking about it in a "good" way. And Jesus himself stated marriage when he said "A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH".
Try reading Matthew 19:1-12
Regarding divorce he says "whoever divorces his wife, EXCEPT FOR IMMORALITY, and marries another woman commits adultery"

Leviticus 25:44-46 Explains it perfectly well...

"44 " 'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly. "

[pumpkin head]

I just saw Santa Claus fly over my house with an elf in the back holding up a gay rights sign

[PapalPear]

Someone is making a mockery of a fairy tale? The nerve!

[Oohh nooo]

This will win people over to your side, keep it up.

[pumpkin head]

PapalPear wrote:

Someone is making a mockery of a fairy tale? The nerve!

a FAIRY tale? Seemed appropriate to me

[pumpkin head]

Oohh nooo wrote:

This will win people over to your side, keep it up.

why would I want anyone on my side?

[Mr j]

These folks will one day
experience the wrath of a jealous God.

I hope it was worth it .

[g_skorich]

i know there are sentences in the bible that are against homosexuals and there are certainly many people out there willing to quote those lines but can these people quote any other parts of the bible or is this limited to these few quotations? i understand you aren't against homosexuals that you are simply pointing out scripture to help save the heathens but have you thought about saving yourself from judging other people or simply just letting people be people. there are plenty of bad people in the, pick on one of them for a change, find some other quotation from the bible that is relevant to your life and not someone elses.

[Somewhere else in Lev]

Yeah, and some other verse in Leviticus says that Woman shall not wear the garments of men. So I better not see any of you ladies wearing pants....dresses and skirts ONLY, otherwise you are a SINNER and you are GOING TO HECK!!!
LOL - See how absurd it really is!?!?!

Krissa wrote:

<quoted text>
You're talking about Leviticus 18:22, right? The whole "abomination" thing, right?
Well, in the very same book of the bible, it says that eating shellfish is an abomination, too. You may want to lay off the shrimp cocktail at your upcoming Christamas gatherings. So is wearing two different kinds of fabric, so I hope you're not wearing a cotton shirt under a wool sweater.
Oh, and by the way, many intelligent biblical scholars state that the word which was translated from the original hebrew to "abomination" does not have an exact literal transation to English - that it really means more like "not normal".
If you're going to pick and choose what passages of the bible are God's word, why don't you start with "Love your neighbor as yourself" and "The meek shall inherit the earth?"
Peace.:)