Phoenix Coyotes Saga Part 2: Does No ...

Phoenix Coyotes Saga Part 2: Does No Owner Mean Relocation?

There are 30 comments on the Too Many Men On The Site story from Feb 2, 2013, titled Phoenix Coyotes Saga Part 2: Does No Owner Mean Relocation?. In it, Too Many Men On The Site reports that:

Despite the deadline coming and going for potential new owner, Greg Jamison to purchase the Phoenix Coyotes, the NHL and the city of Glendale are still trying to settle on an agreement.

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Doug Warkentin

Winnipeg, Canada

#1 Feb 2, 2013
Why is it so impossible to admit that (1) Phoenix and surrounding cities don't want the team,(2) cannot support the team and (3) the relocating the team is what is best for EVERYONE!! Arizona is not a hockey state. Go support the Suns, D-Backs and Cardinals!

Since: Apr 07

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#2 Feb 2, 2013
So many other cities I could see hockey being played in rather then Phoenix.
1.Seattle
2.Milwaukee
3.Portland,Ore.
4.Halifax,N.S.
5.Cleveland
6.Hamilton,Ont.
7.Hartford
8.Indianapolis
9.Kansas City
10.Saskatoon

“Quebec city (Canada)”

Since: Jan 13

Quebec city, Canada

#3 Feb 2, 2013
Nope!!!
Winnipeg,here comes Quebec city!

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#4 Feb 2, 2013
Steven Osbourne wrote:
Nope!!!
Winnipeg,here comes Quebec city!
Great hockey city.
bruins fan

Ottawa, Canada

#5 Mar 1, 2013
quebec is not big enough they lost it once for not having enough of a fan base or corporate base to support them. They should not expect more handouts from Ottawa to support hockey as we support all their other programs.
Coyote fan 1

Temple, TX

#6 Mar 2, 2013
Always on these post people open there pie hole with out having a clue. I have been a season ticket holder of the coyotes and have seen first hand the support they have in this city. Part of the problem is the media bias that exist here in Phoenix and the lack of a steady ownership group. Most coyote fans are sick of the BS that has been sold to us for the past 3-4 years by the NHL. The Coyotes are worth approx. 130-135 million, however the NHL is trying to get 170 million for the team "makes no sense at all" There have been interested buyers since they were pulled out of BK. Let me say this as clear as possible for you morons who think you have a clue. The problem is the NHL and the lack of competent ownership "NOT THE FAN BASE"
Rod

Winfield, Canada

#7 Mar 2, 2013
Yeah...and if they're such a catch at 130, why is no one stepping up at 170?? Surely if they're that profitable,an owner would step up at 170 knowing they'd make that money back in no time. Sorry dude, your argument is flawed. If I were loaded (like enough to buy a team) I still wouldn't buy the 'Yotes at 130 cause losing money isn't what would have made me rich in the first place...
Not it at all

United States

#8 Mar 4, 2013
Rod wrote:
Yeah...and if they're such a catch at 130, why is no one stepping up at 170?? Surely if they're that profitable,an owner would step up at 170 knowing they'd make that money back in no time. Sorry dude, your argument is flawed. If I were loaded (like enough to buy a team) I still wouldn't buy the 'Yotes at 130 cause losing money isn't what would have made me rich in the first place...
Well, the lease agreement for over $300 mil would have subsidized the purchase in roughly 10 years so you would actually make $ off the initial purchase.

The Jamison deal fell through because of power struggles more than financing. Jamison wants the funds but not the help with the team.
Heres the deal

United States

#9 Mar 4, 2013
A 10 year lease agreement of $15 mil a year with an opt out at 7 years and an optional 4 year extension at 5 mil a year.
That would be $150mil over the 10 year term and $170 mil if the 4 year extension is utilized (subsidizing some or all of the initial purchase price).
At 4-5 years the organization can begin the relocation process to end the lease and move after the 7th year if they don't get their finances straight.
It's a win-win. If the owner is interested in moving they can if the team doesn't turn around their finances but has the potential to be profitable in AZ.
Brock

Athens, GA

#10 Mar 5, 2013
Coyote fan 1 wrote:
Always on these post people open there pie hole with out having a clue. I have been a season ticket holder of the coyotes and have seen first hand the support they have in this city. Part of the problem is the media bias that exist here in Phoenix and the lack of a steady ownership group. Most coyote fans are sick of the BS that has been sold to us for the past 3-4 years by the NHL. The Coyotes are worth approx. 130-135 million, however the NHL is trying to get 170 million for the team "makes no sense at all" There have been interested buyers since they were pulled out of BK. Let me say this as clear as possible for you morons who think you have a clue. The problem is the NHL and the lack of competent ownership "NOT THE FAN BASE"
You've got some stones throwing the NHL under the bus.... if it weren't for them, the Coyotes would be long gone to Hamilton. What other sports league has covered the costs of a team losing over 30 million dollars a year? That's right, none. Glendale was covering 25 million dollars of losses to the NHL and they STILL ended up in the red. I'm sure you're a diehard fan, and I'm sure there's more like you... but wake up and smell the coffee, NHL hockey in Phoenix will never work. Hopefully you guys can get an AHL team at some point down the road, but kiss Shane Doan and the Coyotes goodbye.
Joe

Phoenix, AZ

#11 Mar 14, 2013
Doug Warkentin wrote:
Why is it so impossible to admit that (1) Phoenix and surrounding cities don't want the team,(2) cannot support the team and (3) the relocating the team is what is best for EVERYONE!! Arizona is not a hockey state. Go support the Suns, D-Backs and Cardinals!
"]Why is it so impossible to admit that (1) Phoenix and surrounding cities don't want the team,(2) cannot support the team and (3) the relocating the team is what is best for EVERYONE!!....Just like Winnipeg, eh, Doug? Unless you've forgotten how the Coyotes got here in the first place. Anyhow, while I can enjoy the humor about AZ not being a hockey state, you sir are misguided about the reason(s) the Coyotes' organization seems to be a failure. You have bought in to the media hype. You have read one side of the story, and jumped on the bandwagon to bash the team and the state of AZ. You are probably bitter about them leaving your hometown in the first place. That's understandable. Best rest assured Doug, with the right deal in place, a solid ownership group, and some give and take from the NHL and City of Glendale, this team will stay in AZ, and they WILL destroy the JETS every chance they get!
mark

Tempe, AZ

#12 Mar 14, 2013
Doug Warkentin wrote:
Why is it so impossible to admit that (1) Phoenix and surrounding cities don't want the team,(2) cannot support the team and (3) the relocating the team is what is best for EVERYONE!! Arizona is not a hockey state. Go support the Suns, D-Backs and Cardinals!
The team would work if the arena wasn't in Glendale. Glendale is a pig of a city and the arena is the lipstick.
If the team played in Downtown Phoenix, it would work.
nick

Kamloops, Canada

#13 Mar 22, 2013
Joe wrote:
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"]Why is it so impossible to admit that (1) Phoenix and surrounding cities don't want the team,(2) cannot support the team and (3) the relocating the team is what is best for EVERYONE!!....Just like Winnipeg, eh, Doug? Unless you've forgotten how the Coyotes got here in the first place. Anyhow, while I can enjoy the humor about AZ not being a hockey state, you sir are misguided about the reason(s) the Coyotes' organization seems to be a failure. You have bought in to the media hype. You have read one side of the story, and jumped on the bandwagon to bash the team and the state of AZ. You are probably bitter about them leaving your hometown in the first place. That's understandable. Best rest assured Doug, with the right deal in place, a solid ownership group, and some give and take from the NHL and City of Glendale, this team will stay in AZ, and they WILL destroy the JETS every chance they get!
joe, you dont know sh* t about the game, you probably cant even skate. you make about as much sense as gary bettman being commissioner of the nhl and the nhl supporting the yotes for the last 3& half years. go watch the cardinals,d-backs and suns
nick

Kamloops, Canada

#14 Mar 22, 2013
your fan base are basically canadians down there visiting and watching the games especially when original six teams or the other canadian teams play the coyotes.
nick

Kamloops, Canada

#15 Mar 22, 2013
start packing yotes, quebec city here we come!!!!!
loser coyotes

Wilberforce, Canada

#16 Apr 29, 2013
Grogan wrote:
So many other cities I could see hockey being played in rather then Phoenix.
1.Seattle
2.Milwaukee
3.Portland,Ore.
4.Halifax,N.S.
5.Cleveland
6.Hamilton,Ont.
7.Hartford
8.Indianapolis
9.Kansas City
10.Saskatoon
Let me help ya out here kid...
Its like this in the real world.
1.Quebec City
2. Hamilton
3.Greater Toronto Area
4. NOWHERE IN THE USA!

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#17 Apr 30, 2013
loser coyotes wrote:
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Let me help ya out here kid...
Its like this in the real world.
1.Quebec City
2. Hamilton
3.Greater Toronto Area
4. NOWHERE IN THE USA!
1.Quebec-had their chance and failed
2.Hamilton-can't fill the arena for a AHL game.
3.Greater Toronto Area-is Hamilton.
frank

Québec, Canada

#18 May 1, 2013
There is a reason why a team left Winnipeg and there is another reason why it came back. The same thing will happen to Quebec. Hopefully it will be sooner than later.

It makes little sense to have a hockey team in the desert as it makes little sense to have a baseball team playing in the snow!
Patrick

Richelieu, Canada

#19 May 1, 2013
Nothink Personnaly you guys from
arizona its True at a point that there is a bad
mood when a concession is not going well but we hope so much got a team back up north so to take personnaly i am sure you re city is somethink good and a place where i would like too visit too watch the D Backs we lost the expos and at the end nothink was good for the fans we were not a good place for the baseball even if some peple tell me this is not true we were not the best fan base for baseball ... but for Hockey yes and i am sure it is good also with hamilton and saskatoon but Quebec is actually running their facilities as if a club will be ther in september , as it was last yeay meanwhile ... we are not wishing you somethink bad we want back our Quebec Nordiques :)
Francois

Québec, Canada

#20 May 2, 2013
When we lost the Nordiques back in the 90's the economy was going bad, lots of jobs lost in the city, politic situation not supporting the idea of an new amphitheater and the Canadian money vs US money was also a big thing that now is not anymore. There is big economy dynamics here in Quebec City, construction cranes everywhere, skyscrapers emerges, power centers builts, people spends money, there is activities everywhere all year long. For travelling often in the USA, I see more and more power centers with 90% non rented spaces and closed stores, little to no lineups in major attractions such as Disney's, restaurants half empty on Saturday night, then closed out of business few months after... I think Quebec city is now ready to have back our team.

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