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Tennessee Jerry

Fayetteville, TN

#1 Feb 24, 2011
Boy, if you didn't love this guy before, you sure should now. How mature he is. His maturity and ability to communicate beyond a football mentality has always been evident. It really doesn't matter what he does in the future, there is no doubt he will be a success and enjoy life and his contribution to it.

Since: Oct 09

Akron, OH

#2 Feb 24, 2011
Best of luck to you Cam! You are a true Buckeye. You will do just fine in the NFL! God Bless....

Go Bucks!!!!

Since: Mar 10

Beverly, OH

#3 Feb 24, 2011
Good for Cameron Heyward. Some things ARE more important than money. Sounds like this young man has his head on straight.
Houston Buckeye

Findlay, OH

#4 Feb 24, 2011
Cam Heyward is a class act who has his priorities straight. He's getting his degree that will last a lifetime and no one can take away. He could blow out a knee the first year in the NFL and be one-and-done.

Congratulations, Cam, for endearing yourself to the Buckeyes forever!
what a load

Dublin, OH

#5 Feb 24, 2011
Kenny, I had to read the first sentence of your piece three or four times before I gave you the benefit of doubt. The first sentence provoked me to read the article and I was going to blast you for telling the guy he made a mistake by returning. The word 'if' may have helped. "'If', based solely on his draft stock, Cameron Heyward's decision to return for his senior season looks like a mistake." OK, I concede, I still would have read the article, even without the baited hook.:) Moving on, kudos to all the young athletes that stay and get their educations and choose to experience something that will not come there way again. They will most likely forever cherish that decision. OK, a little off topic now, Kudos also to the 'Tat' 5 that stood by their pledge to return. By handing them a 5 game suspension, the NCAA seemed to be encouraging them to leave. Really NCAA, don't want them back to graduate? While I don't condone what they did, I understand how kids make mistakes. I feel that the punishment was a too severe. I hope that their commitment to their decision to stay and serve their punishment will merit a reduction in their 'sentence'. Does it really alter the competitive landscape? Will some 17 year old recruit and his unscrupulous parent really consider the financial windfall that will be realized by selling a ring, jersey or gold pants necklace? Maybe I'm missing some other point.
flabucki

Kissimmee, FL

#6 Feb 24, 2011
Class act we are lucky to have had him play for the Buckeyes. Someday a bunch of young kids will be lucky to have Mr Heyward as their teacher.
Dave_OSU_Class_o f_98

Binghamton, NY

#7 Feb 24, 2011
How do you complete your last semester/quarter of classes while rehabbing in PHOENIX?
TKG

Toledo, OH

#8 Feb 24, 2011
There's a possibility that Cam will play his butt off at the next level and land a hefty contract extension a few years from now and everything will be fine. There's also a possibility he'll never play a down and get cut part way through the season. In fact, failure is the most likely scenario.

Then you have the collective bargaining situation. If there is a labor stoppage, Cam won't sign a contract. Once the stoppage is resolved he'll most certainly be subjected to a rookie wage scale that will ensure his contract is capped somewhere below what the player drafted in his position last year was signed to.

So not only did Cam see his star fall out of the first round because he stayed, he's going to make less money when he eventually does sign his deal.

No matter how you cut it, this was a bad decision on his part and history has shown us time and time again that players projected as top picks in their Jr. years almost always see their stock fall if they stay for their Sr. seasons.

Cam might be at peace with his decion to stay, but considering it quite literally cost him 50 million bucks or so, I think that's just talk. When he's confiding to his most trusted friends I guarantee you he's kicking himself for staying.

And for you dopes who talk about the value of an education, how hard is it for somebody who just cashed a 7 million dollar signing bonus to go back to school and finish their studies?

Nope. If Cam has the average NFL career he's going to end up selling real estate in 5 years and popping up on the Buckeye Pregame show to provide analysis. The difference between staying in school and leaving early is the size of his nest egg.
TKG

Toledo, OH

#9 Feb 24, 2011
Houston Buckeye wrote:
Cam Heyward is a class act who has his priorities straight. He's getting his degree that will last a lifetime and no one can take away. He could blow out a knee the first year in the NFL and be one-and-done.
Congratulations, Cam, for endearing yourself to the Buckeyes forever!
Yeah, but if you blow out your knee after siging a multimillion dollar deal, you have a ton of money in the bank. A degree might last a life time but most of them aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Go back and look at the signing bonus Cam would have collected last year and tell me how many college graduates make that much over the course of a lifetime.
ADD

East Granby, CT

#10 Feb 24, 2011
Hey guys, just so you know, Buckeyes fans and family very much appreciate your staying. Irrespective of us fans you should be proud of staying also.
As Coach Tressle has already instilled in you, life is about balance, not just $$ but family, teammates, university, community, oh so many other things. Continue to be well and do good things.
Buckeye Dave in NC

United States

#11 Feb 24, 2011
Dave_OSU_Class_of_98 wrote:
How do you complete your last semester/quarter of classes while rehabbing in PHOENIX?
Ever hear of online courses? My daughter is doing undergrad at NC State and could easily take half her classes online and get her degree. I am looking at online master programs at Penn State, Carnegie-Mellon, Texas A&M. No longer is this the purview of just Walden and University of Phoenix. I am also assuming that with Ohio State on quarters that he has it worked out to get the necessary credits. He may even be ahead depending on what he has already taken.
TKG

Toledo, OH

#12 Feb 24, 2011
what a load wrote:
Kenny, I had to read the first sentence of your piece three or four times before I gave you the benefit of doubt. The first sentence provoked me to read the article and I was going to blast you for telling the guy he made a mistake by returning. The word 'if' may have helped. "'If', based solely on his draft stock, Cameron Heyward's decision to return for his senior season looks like a mistake." OK, I concede, I still would have read the article, even without the baited hook.:) Moving on, kudos to all the young athletes that stay and get their educations and choose to experience something that will not come there way again. They will most likely forever cherish that decision. OK, a little off topic now, Kudos also to the 'Tat' 5 that stood by their pledge to return. By handing them a 5 game suspension, the NCAA seemed to be encouraging them to leave. Really NCAA, don't want them back to graduate? While I don't condone what they did, I understand how kids make mistakes. I feel that the punishment was a too severe. I hope that their commitment to their decision to stay and serve their punishment will merit a reduction in their 'sentence'. Does it really alter the competitive landscape? Will some 17 year old recruit and his unscrupulous parent really consider the financial windfall that will be realized by selling a ring, jersey or gold pants necklace? Maybe I'm missing some other point.
You are missing some other point, if player are allowed to sell that stuff the schools they go to will simply give them more as a means to compensate them. Since many schools can't afford to give out gold pants after every win over a rival and some conferences can't afford to give the players championship rings and some schools don't have a fanbase interested in buying that stuff, it provides certain schools with a competitive advantage if the players can sell their gear.

The penalty would have been less severe if the Ohio State players had been forthcoming but the NCAA was furiosu with their lies and evasive tactics. The NCAA wasn't happy that Ohio State was dragging things out until after the season and Sugar Bowl.

Those rules are in place for a reason and they are abundantly clear. I went to a D-3 School and we were told that we could sell our T shirts and sweat pants because it violatd NCAA rules.

“Bleeding Scarlet and Gray!”

Since: Sep 09

Worthington

#13 Feb 24, 2011
Cam will do very well in the NFL. He is a prototypical DE that already has the size to compete. We are glad you came back to lead this team. Your leadership will trickle down to the guys who played with you that will be back next year. Forget all the discussion of the CBA...it will work itself out.
nicholas russell

Hilliard, OH

#14 Feb 24, 2011
I hope that Cam, and guys like him who have stayed thru their scholarship committment, are long remembered in OSU history. THESE guys are the real winners. And it must be remembered that Cam nearly singlehandedly shaped the last to Bucks games.
THANK YOU to true winners like Cam !
Columbus Idiots

Columbus, OH

#15 Feb 24, 2011
Cam is great against average O linemen and disappears against quality talent.He was a non factor against the NFL quality O linemen on Wisconsins team.

He will have to improve to be a starter in the NFL.
Mike in Raleigh

Durham, NC

#16 Feb 24, 2011
TKG wrote:
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You are missing some other point, if player are allowed to sell that stuff the schools they go to will simply give them more as a means to compensate them. Since many schools can't afford to give out gold pants after every win over a rival and some conferences can't afford to give the players championship rings and some schools don't have a fanbase interested in buying that stuff, it provides certain schools with a competitive advantage if the players can sell their gear.
The penalty would have been less severe if the Ohio State players had been forthcoming but the NCAA was furiosu with their lies and evasive tactics. The NCAA wasn't happy that Ohio State was dragging things out until after the season and Sugar Bowl.
Those rules are in place for a reason and they are abundantly clear. I went to a D-3 School and we were told that we could sell our T shirts and sweat pants because it violatd NCAA rules.
1. A deliberating body such as the NCAA is not supposed to compound a problem by being "furious". The word is dispassionate ... that means objective and deliberating, not arbitrary and capricious. Why do they have "fury" over one school but not others? Was Cam Newton forthcoming; is their still something "evasive" and hidden that was never revealed in the 5 minute investigation? Why does their passion apply to some schools but not others?
2. IF this penalty has a deterrent effect, is it enacted by the NCAA consistently to other schools for similiar situations? No? Why not? Why did it take the NCAA over 5 years to conclude anything about Reg Bush when the issue was well known, in detail, to the public from the get go? Why was Leinart's compensated commercial before the Rose Bowl not investigated, let alone penalized? What about the culture of criminal law at Florida? Any lack of institutional control? Why did Julio Jones play football last year? Why was UNC penalized for the same things Miami-FL players were not? Does tOSU Athletics Staff get ANY credit for being forthcoming themselves? See what I mean by ARBITRARY enforcement?
3. You were told "we could sell our T shirts"? Do you think tOSU didn't tell teh "5" the same thing? Were you penalized?
Stuck in the Stone Age

Smyrna, GA

#17 Feb 24, 2011
Coming back for his senior year, some might have said he was being a little Ironheaded. Regardless of what happens in April and thereafter in the NFL, I think things will turn out well in life for him. Good luck, kid.
Mike in Raleigh

Durham, NC

#18 Feb 24, 2011
Now, to wash off the soiled feeling of discussing the NCAA, let me just say that Cam "had me" at his first sack.
Wasn't it nice to see Cam and Dane in the post game interview? Total class that conjurs the image of Kenny and Matt cradling a ball of glass on Jan 3, 2003.

“Bleeding Scarlet and Gray!”

Since: Sep 09

Worthington

#19 Feb 24, 2011
Columbus Idiots wrote:
Cam is great against average O linemen and disappears against quality talent.He was a non factor against the NFL quality O linemen on Wisconsins team.
He will have to improve to be a starter in the NFL.
Have you ever heard of a 'double team'? That is what happened when a good O-Line played against the Bucks. They threw a double team at him to stop him. On the DL, stats aren't the only thing that you can look at when judging talent. If he was one on one every game, he would have lead the nation in sacks. Unfortunately, he wasn't for most of the season.
TKG

Toledo, OH

#20 Feb 24, 2011
Mike in Raleigh wrote:
<quoted text>
1. A deliberating body such as the NCAA is not supposed to compound a problem by being "furious". The word is dispassionate ... that means objective and deliberating, not arbitrary and capricious. Why do they have "fury" over one school but not others? Was Cam Newton forthcoming; is their still something "evasive" and hidden that was never revealed in the 5 minute investigation? Why does their passion apply to some schools but not others?
2. IF this penalty has a deterrent effect, is it enacted by the NCAA consistently to other schools for similiar situations? No? Why not? Why did it take the NCAA over 5 years to conclude anything about Reg Bush when the issue was well known, in detail, to the public from the get go? Why was Leinart's compensated commercial before the Rose Bowl not investigated, let alone penalized? What about the culture of criminal law at Florida? Any lack of institutional control? Why did Julio Jones play football last year? Why was UNC penalized for the same things Miami-FL players were not? Does tOSU Athletics Staff get ANY credit for being forthcoming themselves? See what I mean by ARBITRARY enforcement?
3. You were told "we could sell our T shirts"? Do you think tOSU didn't tell teh "5" the same thing? Were you penalized?
AJ Green served a 4 game suspension for selling a jersey. That suspension was enforced last year after the NCAA completed its investigation. Ohio State's hooligans got 5 games, one extra because the players did not cooperate. That's consistent.

Reggie Bush wasn't punished because those allegations didn't surface until after he left. His deal was with a street agent who filed a lawsuit after Bush went pro. that lawsuit made everything a matter of public record and USC was hit with penalties.

We were told we could not sell out shirts and while it was something we all laughed at because nobody is going to buy d3 swag, we knew that the rules were clear.

As for Cam Newton, the NCAA did believe he was forthcoming and they were satisfied that he was not involved in the game his dad was running. Furthermore, they couldn't prove that he recieved money. If you'll recall, Cam went to Auburn but Mississippi State was trying to broker a deal with his dad. A lot of people claim that it's impossible for somebody not to know their dad was up to no good but not only is it possible, I find it entirely likely. People hide all kinds of things from their kids, so Cecil could have been telling Cam one thing while he and Kenny Rogers were doing something else.

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