Will Allen Return to Raiders?

Will Allen Return to Raiders?

There are 35 comments on the NBC Bay Area story from Dec 4, 2013, titled Will Allen Return to Raiders?. In it, NBC Bay Area reports that:

Will Raiders head coach Dennis Allen , GM Reggie McKenzie and owner Mark Davis again be a team in 2014? Since Jon Gruden departed after the 2001 season, seven men have paraded through Oakland, with only one Tom Cable staying more than two seasons .

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Ricardo Montalban

South San Francisco, CA

#1 Dec 4, 2013
Lose the next four games, let him go....i keep hearing bout this "New Era", however....the new Regime can not logically start until Big Als existing contracts expire which forced Dennis Allen to form a roster with one hand tied behind his back...so in all fairness to Allen he should be given another season with a full payload...but should he lose the next four, i would be so disapointed in him i would really, really like to see Gruden come back...

“PLAY TO WIN”

Since: Jul 09

" I DA HO " !

#2 Dec 4, 2013
he's 8-20?! of course he'll return! it's "NEW ERA"!
RAIDERS OF 2013!!!!

Since: Jan 11

Phoenix, AZ

#3 Dec 5, 2013
I think it would be a huge mistake to let Allen go. He went after a bear with a BB gun and actually drew some blood. No reason to let a guy go who is doing a good job. Primary issues with this team, the 2013 team, is still talent.

Primary issue with 2012 team however, was indeed coaching.

So, in that the coaching has improved greatly in between the past 2 years(defense especially) i think it would be a mistake to fire any of our coaches.
Ricardo Montalban

South San Francisco, CA

#4 Dec 5, 2013
Allen plays conservative football...no nuts....no glory....unless he wins a few more games, i really dont see any improvemen. ..as our record reflects...i like Tarver though, just my opinion...
RaiderFaith

Garner, NC

#5 Dec 5, 2013
Can't look at the record. That is not a fair measuring stick given the Lack of talent. We need to keep DA for multiple reasons. First he has gotten a lot out the little talent/depth we have. Anyone who expected a big turn around (record wise) was foolish for having that expectation. Now we have made strides, RM cleaned the budget and brought in some talent on a budget in Roach, Burnett, Woodson, Holmes and Moore. Sure we still need to beef up the oline and add depth on D. But we are moving in the right direction. Now that said we are having major second half issues. Which is part coaching. Part talent and part depth. That all needs to be addressed. But overall I think its foolish to consider bringing in a new HC. We need consistency.

Since: Jan 11

Phoenix, AZ

#6 Dec 5, 2013
I Agree. Only rarely does a coach like Jim Harbaugh come in and turn a consistent loser into a playoff team for more than 1 season.

It is usually a slow, iterative, building process followed by decades of consistency. Instead of 2 good years, then a decade of crap.(looking at you New York Jets)
RaiderFaith wrote:
Can't look at the record. That is not a fair measuring stick given the Lack of talent. We need to keep DA for multiple reasons. First he has gotten a lot out the little talent/depth we have. Anyone who expected a big turn around (record wise) was foolish for having that expectation. Now we have made strides, RM cleaned the budget and brought in some talent on a budget in Roach, Burnett, Woodson, Holmes and Moore. Sure we still need to beef up the oline and add depth on D. But we are moving in the right direction. Now that said we are having major second half issues. Which is part coaching. Part talent and part depth. That all needs to be addressed. But overall I think its foolish to consider bringing in a new HC. We need consistency.

“PLAY TO WIN”

Since: Jul 09

" I DA HO " !

#7 Dec 5, 2013
if it was up to me? i'da fired him as fast as shannahan got fired! it seems as most fans prefer consistency over switching head coaches constantly. we can risk it by letting allen go one more year or longer and risk the chance of this team getting better? or we can risk the chance of dennis allen getting nowhere with this team and waste another year or longer. at a record of 8-20, there is plenty to blame on the coach as much as there is to blame the players and of course, much goes to blame the GM cause in reality, it allllll starts from there! but, as i read some articles here and there. the coach is 8-20. he has blown 5 games w/second half leads this year. indi,giants,skins,titans,and dallas. last season allen was 3-4 and lost 8 straight of his last 9 games to end at 4-12. mckenzie say's he hired d allen cause he liked the way dennis allen was running the (D) in denver. d allen was calling the plays there. and that intrigued mckenzie. but, eventually, year one here, d allen was stripped of play calling. that would leave either sparano or g olson play calling. now, it all comes down to d allen doing the final call as a head coach. right now there is a lot of blame on his adjustments in the game and his decision making. there is plenty of blame to go around cause defensively we don't have the best talent with players and offensively there has been a lot of injury from the start till today. so allen has to work with what he's got. overall, players want to play for him and he has got some hard working players and players that will step it up when another player goes down w/injury. but, who hired all these players? who hired dennis allen and greg olson and jason tarver? who put this whole team together?. i say let them go one more year here all together. mckenzie is supposed get his money for his players for 2014. dennis allen will get better talent. if it all works good, if it doesn't? fire them both!
i was reading some poles
29% said keep allen. 71% said fire allen.
another said, 63%is coaching's fault. 10%went to (D), 15% to (O), ownership including (GM) 9%
mckenzie has a almost guranteed stay, d allen may get a pass. mark davis say's these guys have a job to do and contracts. but no free passes.(quote unquote". he too was frustrated the first season. it may depend on this jets game, who knows?
RAIDERS 2013!!!
EastOaklandRaide r

Walnut Creek, CA

#8 Dec 5, 2013
"I Agree. Only rarely does a coach like Jim Harbaugh come in and turn a consistent loser into a playoff team for more than 1 season."

HARBAUGH? He inherited that stout defense and the offence was fine (Alex). That team was already in place with HI expectations. Now he is putting his fingerprints on the team and I dont think thy are as strong. Just like Gruden did in Tampa.
Ricardo Montalban

South San Francisco, CA

#9 Dec 5, 2013
I would only fire Allen if it were to bring Gruden back...if not then keep him....Allen will have to finish strong...another thing, if we are not playing for wins, then what the hell we playing for? No one expected Raiders to go to the Super Bowl but another losing season or worse, the same record from last season is inexcusable...if. i went to work day after day and gave subpar performance i know id be replaced...and how can you say we made improvements when we always find a way to lose? Come on guys, we were once champions and we shouldnt have to keep tolerating losing seasons....lets get back on tge saddle and move on from his style of play...conservative....Gruden 2014....

“RAIDERS 2016--JUST WIN BABY!”

Since: Jul 11

Michigan

#10 Dec 5, 2013
Allen definitely needs another season. As many of you have already said......2 seasons is not enough especially when we are rebuilding--working out existing contracts--dealing with 1 year players.......and in spite of this, Allen has still drawn blood as Corran put it so well. I think he has done pretty well with what he has to work with and STILL shown improvement. Next year should be a huge step with the salary cap under control and an extra year drafting/developing Reggie's picks.

All we need is 1 more win (which we will get on Sunday) and we have improved over last season.

If Allen can win 6 games with this team, he should be carried around on all our shoulders for a week.

“RAIDERS 2016--JUST WIN BABY!”

Since: Jul 11

Michigan

#11 Dec 5, 2013
having said that........I am not necessarily sold on Allen--I just want to be fair. He definitely has to prove himself next year.

Also, the Raiders have had a thing in the past for young coaches.....and some worked out pretty good:

Gruden
Madden
Al Davis

(I'm leaving out Lane Kiffin LOL)

“PLAY TO WIN”

Since: Jul 09

" I DA HO " !

#12 Dec 5, 2013
consistency keeping a coach is when a coach does well the first season and does well or better the following season and continues to do even better the following season after. it doesn't necessarily mean a coach has to be in the playoffs the first season.
not doing well the first season or the following season is bad consistency! keeping him a third season is doing the right thing but it's going jussssst a littel overboard if he muffs up that year too!
it's difficult to be consistent if we keep changing coaches constantly BUT? you can probably get lucky or better yet "know" what kind of coach you are hiring and be consistent from there on?!
i'd have to say that i agree with r_montalban here that if it was gruden we were hiring/ then i would have no problem letting go of the non or better said, the consistency that we have with this coach today. i mean, if that was the case and you all like consistency, then why was it okay to release our (oc)gregg knapping? that right there broke consistency! what about when reggie came in and broke the 8-8 consistency we already had? now it looks like we may have consistent losing seasons under dennis allen and co.
i mean, it is what it is right? i backup whatever coach we have regardless of the situation like i am today. but i at least want to see production? yes, one more win is production. but then you gotta look at the coaching style with his conservative decision making that he should have fixed already. i mean, it's fixable right? just, at what point do you learn to fix it? make better adjustments? he's the coach!? who teaches him those things? the losses? or, the word of hot seat?
there is an evaluation when the season is over. i hope he wins throughout or at least shows positives, strides, finishes when we have leads the rest of the games. if mark davis does not fire dennis allen if we lose the rest of the games? he's soft! we may never win again. psssh!, let caroll davis take over! she'll make the right decisions from above!
RAIDERS OF 2013!!!
Wiraider

Chippewa Falls, WI

#13 Dec 5, 2013
I got to say this team,tho record might not show it as much is better as far as Effort go's... Which has been lacking for years..I been so disappointed time and time again watching teams run/pass at will/break records/set personal best and when that didn't work we help them with 16 penaltys a game..we'll things are changing,and that's a direct result of our management and coaching!!! Now if ya all think Mckenzie/Allen/ or any other coach should be fired then I say go roll some tape of the last 10yrs!!! And you can't tell me we were really close to reaching Super Bowl caliber team with those 8/8 teams...that record was even ballooned by a very very weak division... So thinking if the raiders loose the rest of there games,changing coaches will help might just send us backwards
Freddy

Paducah, KY

#14 Dec 6, 2013
Wiraider wrote:
I got to say this team,tho record might not show it as much is better as far as Effort go's... Which has been lacking for years..I been so disappointed time and time again watching teams run/pass at will/break records/set personal best and when that didn't work we help them with 16 penaltys a game..we'll things are changing,and that's a direct result of our management and coaching!!! Now if ya all think Mckenzie/Allen/ or any other coach should be fired then I say go roll some tape of the last 10yrs!!! And you can't tell me we were really close to reaching Super Bowl caliber team with those 8/8 teams...that record was even ballooned by a very very weak division... So thinking if the raiders loose the rest of there games,changing coaches will help might just send us backwards
I would fall in the group that says re-hiring Gruden trumps all. It seems that the Raiders job is the only one he would leave the broadcast booth for. It is not about the money. I think he identifies with and personifies the tradition of the Raider Organization and what it represents; and he knows it. Having said that, I would agree that D. Allen has led the staff and players well and the team seems to be all on one page. You do see improvement from week to week. However, the defense may blitz more, but they give up a lot of passing yards, and more importantly, can not make a stop when they need with the exception of the Texans game. The Offense doesn't scare anyone, healthy O-line or not. It is the scheme. In regards to the 8-8 teams, I would disagree and felt that the team under Cable with Marshall as D. Coordinator was a SuperBowl caliber team. The defense was stout and well coached. They may have given up long runs at times, but they also lead the league with most plays for negative gains. More importantly, they could make the stop when they needed it. They had some star players on Defense. Offensively, they were scary-good under Jackson. Say whatever you want about Jackson, but Reese was feared, McFadden was great and this was with Campbell at QB. Division opponents were not weak, they had no answer defensively for their offense. If that team would have made the playoffs, they had the schemes and star-power to do very well. Bottom line, Gruden will probably not come back and D. Allen and the coaching staff have earned the right to return. Having said that, there are no excuses next year. They have money to spend on resigning current players, free agents and draft picks. Being competitive and winning a championship are two different animals. Settling for competitiveness is not going to cut it.

Since: Jan 11

Phoenix, AZ

#15 Dec 6, 2013
SF wasn't even a .500 team before Harbaugh. Go check out some of the records of the Mike Singletary teams man.
EastOaklandRaider wrote:
"I Agree. Only rarely does a coach like Jim Harbaugh come in and turn a consistent loser into a playoff team for more than 1 season."
HARBAUGH? He inherited that stout defense and the offence was fine (Alex). That team was already in place with HI expectations. Now he is putting his fingerprints on the team and I dont think thy are as strong. Just like Gruden did in Tampa.

Since: Jan 11

Phoenix, AZ

#16 Dec 6, 2013
"If Allen can win 6 games with this team, he should be carried around on all our shoulders for a week."

I like that, ha.
Zild0405 wrote:
Allen definitely needs another season. As many of you have already said......2 seasons is not enough especially when we are rebuilding--working out existing contracts--dealing with 1 year players.......and in spite of this, Allen has still drawn blood as Corran put it so well. I think he has done pretty well with what he has to work with and STILL shown improvement. Next year should be a huge step with the salary cap under control and an extra year drafting/developing Reggie's picks.
All we need is 1 more win (which we will get on Sunday) and we have improved over last season.

Since: Jan 11

Phoenix, AZ

#17 Dec 6, 2013
I think this is where we are seeing the same thing differently. Last year, i agree, Knapp was a huge problem, and there was barely ANY effective coaching going on that i saw. It was the "carson go throw the ball a lot" team.

This year's team was dramatically improved in my position, especially after losing our best offensive player(Carson), getting a single 100 yard game from Darren, losing our best offensive lineman for 2/3 of the season, starting Pryor and an undrafted rookie. Getting that mishmosh of players and talent to work together for 4 wins is something pretty spectacular. Last years team basically still had some of Hue Jackson's plays and mentality of actually winning games in their mind. This year was all Allen.

And clearly, this is the best defense we have had in years... with 1 returning starter. I will put the credit for that like this:
Tarver
Reggie McKenzie(he brought a lot of those guys in)
Woodson
Allen(head coaches have to contribute in some way)

So, i see Allen as having done a pretty darn good job this year, THAT is why i think consistency of keeping a guy doing a good job, is what we should do. We, as a team, are moving in a direction for the first time since Hue. Lets not shoot our toes off for Gruden.
RAIDER MISTERIO OG wrote:
consistency keeping a coach is when a coach does well the first season and does well or better the following season and continues to do even better the following season after. it doesn't necessarily mean a coach has to be in the playoffs the first season.
not doing well the first season or the following season is bad consistency! keeping him a third season is doing the right thing but it's going jussssst a littel overboard if he muffs up that year too!
it's difficult to be consistent if we keep changing coaches constantly BUT? you can probably get lucky or better yet "know" what kind of coach you are hiring and be consistent from there on?!
i'd have to say that i agree with r_montalban here that if it was gruden we were hiring/ then i would have no problem letting go of the non or better said, the consistency that we have with this coach today. i mean, if that was the case and you all like consistency, then why was it okay to release our (oc)gregg knapping? that right there broke consistency! what about when reggie came in and broke the 8-8 consistency we already had? now it looks like we may have consistent losing seasons under dennis allen and co.
i mean, it is what it is right? i backup whatever coach we have regardless of the situation like i am today. but i at least want to see production? yes, one more win is production. but then you gotta look at the coaching style with his conservative decision making that he should have fixed already. i mean, it's fixable right? just, at what point do you learn to fix it? make better adjustments? he's the coach!? who teaches him those things? the losses? or, the word of hot seat?
there is an evaluation when the season is over. i hope he wins throughout or at least shows positives, strides, finishes when we have leads the rest of the games. if mark davis does not fire dennis allen if we lose the rest of the games? he's soft! we may never win again. psssh!, let caroll davis take over! she'll make the right decisions from above!
RAIDERS OF 2013!!!

Since: Jan 11

Phoenix, AZ

#18 Dec 6, 2013
Or rather, they had 1 8-8 season sine 2002. SF sucked before Harbaugh. Maybe the expectation was there but im sure the "expectation" is there for the Jets and Jags and Browns too.
EastOaklandRaider wrote:
"I Agree. Only rarely does a coach like Jim Harbaugh come in and turn a consistent loser into a playoff team for more than 1 season."
HARBAUGH? He inherited that stout defense and the offence was fine (Alex). That team was already in place with HI expectations. Now he is putting his fingerprints on the team and I dont think thy are as strong. Just like Gruden did in Tampa.

Since: Jan 11

Phoenix, AZ

#19 Dec 6, 2013
Lets not forget he lost his Tampa Bay job because he couldn't do anything with that team without Sapp. That, and he wanted to run an all Wildcat offense with Tim Tebow. That's the kind of thing Gruden is into nowadays.

I am "wary" to say the least.
Freddy wrote:
<quoted text>I would fall in the group that says re-hiring Gruden trumps all. It seems that the Raiders job is the only one he would leave the broadcast booth for. It is not about the money. I think he identifies with and personifies the tradition of the Raider Organization and what it represents; and he knows it. Having said that, I would agree that D. Allen has led the staff and players well and the team seems to be all on one page. You do see improvement from week to week. However, the defense may blitz more, but they give up a lot of passing yards, and more importantly, can not make a stop when they need with the exception of the Texans game. The Offense doesn't scare anyone, healthy O-line or not. It is the scheme. In regards to the 8-8 teams, I would disagree and felt that the team under Cable with Marshall as D. Coordinator was a SuperBowl caliber team. The defense was stout and well coached. They may have given up long runs at times, but they also lead the league with most plays for negative gains. More importantly, they could make the stop when they needed it. They had some star players on Defense. Offensively, they were scary-good under Jackson. Say whatever you want about Jackson, but Reese was feared, McFadden was great and this was with Campbell at QB. Division opponents were not weak, they had no answer defensively for their offense. If that team would have made the playoffs, they had the schemes and star-power to do very well. Bottom line, Gruden will probably not come back and D. Allen and the coaching staff have earned the right to return. Having said that, there are no excuses next year. They have money to spend on resigning current players, free agents and draft picks. Being competitive and winning a championship are two different animals. Settling for competitiveness is not going to cut it.

“PLAY TO WIN”

Since: Jul 09

" I DA HO " !

#20 Dec 6, 2013
no disrespect on anybody's opinion here but, this team is not going to go anywhere with dennis allen? we're just going to waste another season in high hopes that we at least win 8 games. and if we do? wow, give him another two or three years? i gotta say, there is a chance d allen may stay one more season but mark davis was already pissed about the first season. i'm sure he's gonna be pissed about this second season. he may get convinced to keep allen for a third season due to the extra money coming in but there is more than just the extra money to keeping the coach. mark davis wants to win now! he had hopes of a instant winning coach. well, it didn't happen! im sure he understands that and had the patience to wait another season. there's gotta be a coach out there that knows how to make decisions!and i bet this time this year hopefully, he gets an offensive minded coach! that will fix things right there right away, guaranteed! well, at least for the better or for more wins! this coach does not know what to do offensively. but he knows defense pretty good. fire the mutha before it's too late or gets later! we're going nowhere with him. forget that consistency and hi hopes! we need a better head coach. we all know that?! we're trying to find excuses for him to stay because of consistency! just look at him?
RAIDERS 2013!!!

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