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Ohio.com - Neighbor fights court order to move

There are 307 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from Nov 27, 2007, titled Ohio.com - Neighbor fights court order to move. In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

When Joe Fugo went to meet his new neighbors, the Pittsburgh Steelers fan naturally asked their football allegiance.

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Legal Guy

Cleveland, OH

#263 Dec 4, 2007
Joyce Anderson wrote:
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What the Judge should have done was add up how many times each person called the cops and, charge each person say,$100.00 for each call. Let's see if they call again for that matter, I'd bet there issues will all of a sudden disappear! In Barberton, we charge for 'nuisance' calls. The 4th call w/in 12 months is a $100.00 to the homeowner and,$100.00 each time thereafter.. This works too....
That's done in Barberton because it's a city ordinance ruled on by City Council. The Judge can not "charge" them if law does not permit it. It would be up to the police to do so. And in those cases, the charges are usually applied to their tax bill to guarantee it'll be paid. Unless they rent, then they get a date in court most likely. lol
Legal Guy

Cleveland, OH

#264 Dec 4, 2007
TIFF wrote:
I AM HIS DAUGHTER AND WITNESSED EVERYTHING THAT THE NEIGHBORS WERE DOING TO MY DAD. IN MY OPINION PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BRING UP HIS PAST HISTORY IN ORDER TO RESOLVE THIS CASE. MY DAD IS NOT A VIOLENT PERSON AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS LIKE HIM. THE BUDDICH'S ARE THE PROBLEM AND I AM NOT JUST SAYTHING THIS B/C I AM HIS DAUGHTER.
And commenting on a case is not a very smart move on your part. And your "opinion" is relevant. His CRIMINAL past does matter. Just like it does for someone who's been previous convicted of a crime against a child or another person. With your "opinion", that shouldn't matter huh, if, for example, an offender sexually assaults a child AGAIN?!?!?
What

Akron, OH

#265 Dec 4, 2007
Bad neighbors suck wrote:
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How do we know other neighbors have not called police? We do not. That is not recorded in public record form.
What others have not done does not remove the actions of another party.
Once again, if the people commenting on this forum are really his neighbors, then it is relevent to his case because they will testify as character witnesses. He's been living there for 17 years and the Budichs have only been there for a year. So why all of sudden are all of these issues occurring? He could have done these things but nobody have all of the facts. If the other neighbors haven't had these problems with him in the past then that will be strongly important for Fugo. Also, all the information is public knowledge, so you can see all of the lawsuits the Budichs have filed in the past and if there's a pattern, that might help Fugo too. I guess we all have to wait and see.
Joyce Anderson

Avon Lake, OH

#266 Dec 4, 2007
Legal Guy wrote:
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That's done in Barberton because it's a city ordinance ruled on by City Council. The Judge can not "charge" them if law does not permit it. It would be up to the police to do so. And in those cases, the charges are usually applied to their tax bill to guarantee it'll be paid. Unless they rent, then they get a date in court most likely. lol
The City of Akron does have 'nuisance' laws but, they aren't specifically called 'nuisance' laws. You can find them in Section 132 & 133 of their Ordinances!
And, yes the City does laws regarding abuse of 911 calls which, applies to Budich's abuse of the system!
And as for 'payment' of nuisance calls, renters aren't immune from payment when a Court orders the renter to pay for the crime charged, just because they are a renter.
And where did you hear that the City 'attaches' the Court's order of payment for renters to property tax bills for a guarentee of payment, not in Akron or Barberton.
You obviously didn't read my posts. I said that if Judge Cosgrove had grounds to 'evict' Fugo she could of only done this "if" a motion/pleading was filed to specifically to modify the stalking order requesting the Court to rule on 'evicting' Fugo which, the Budich's did not file nor, ask for orally at the hearings! I also said that before Judge Cosgrove ruled on the modification of the stalking order that she did, that she should have waited until the City's criminal cases were concluded first, which she didn't do to prevent the 'stay' that's been filed because she didn't wait and/or, follow the civil procedures!
The reason for waiting on the City's criminal cases/trials outcome in January would be to determine the 'credibility' of the Budich's stalking petition giving the Judge sufficient grounds to modify the order but, again only modify the order with what has been requested/filed pleadings not, what 'she' personally thinks. She must follow the Civil Rule of Procedures just like all of the other Judges!
Joyce Anderson

Avon Lake, OH

#267 Dec 4, 2007
Legal Guy wrote:
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And commenting on a case is not a very smart move on your part. And your "opinion" is relevant. His CRIMINAL past does matter. Just like it does for someone who's been previous convicted of a crime against a child or another person. With your "opinion", that shouldn't matter huh, if, for example, an offender sexually assaults a child AGAIN?!?!?
Legal Guy, where did you study? Fugo's daughter has every right to state 'her' opinion on this site and,'her' opinion being posted is not going to have any affect on her father's cases unless, she is going to testify for him.
Furthermore, as a former secretary to criminal lawyers let me tell you that your comment about 'past criminal' offenses is way off base. I personally witnessed many cases where I knew that a client was guilty of committing more than one sexual felony offense's against a child yet, the system doesn't always permit the client's past to enter into the case at hand even if it benefit's the victim!
Did I get pissed off each time I had to hear that a client's criminal past couldn't be known to the Jury, you bet but that's the system.
So, as for your comment about Fugo's criminal past, it isn't relevant unless the prosecutor, Fugo's lawyer and the Judge all agree to enter it into the pending criminal cases/trial! And this process is too difficult for you to understand so, I'm not going to explain it to you.....
T in Akron

Los Angeles, CA

#268 Dec 4, 2007
to bad people cant get past the pitts. browns. stuff. it is so ignorant. if only the media would report the whole truth.
T in Akron

Los Angeles, CA

#269 Dec 4, 2007
thank you joyce, I am so glad to see someone in these comments has a brain.Fugo is a good person and is always ready to help my family. Thanks Joe.
Joyce Anderson wrote:
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What I want to know is how do you know that Fugo always had his charges dropped because he 'pled' he's a vet and the Judges felt sorry for him, were you at these hearings because this isn't recorded as such?
And the reason he and a lot of other vets don't work is because of the crap they were forced to deal with messed up their heads as it would have anyone. Most vets with PTSD or a similar diagnosis collect disability benefits, as they should. It sounds to me like you have issues with someone collecting a 'large' gov benefit check? We, can not and should not pass judgment on Fugo or the Budich's, but rather learn some of the truth as close to it as we can by 'reading' the court records.

“I'm as Mad as Hell...”

Since: Mar 07

Your Neighbor & Friend

#270 Dec 4, 2007
Update, please. What's the latest? Has Mr. Fugo moved out? Have the Budiches erected a 30 foot illuminated cross in their yard? Will the parties wind up on Judge Judy?
anonymous1

Cleveland, OH

#271 Dec 4, 2007
Legal Guy wrote:
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Huh? Being a veteran has NO legal relevance here whatsoever. NONE. Giving him some sort of special treatment because of that is unconstitutional. Period. This case has nothing to do with what you were babbling on here. I can see the legal issues quite clearly. Sadly, others see "veteran" and "disability" and their ability to read and comprehend become immediately clouded.
Being a vet has nothing to do with determining guilt or innocence. It has a lot to do with imposing financial penalties on a person who is on disability due to medically acknowledged injuries suffered while serving this country.

Tell us all about babbling! You like hurting people with money, don't you? How legally enlightened of you.
Bad neighbors suck

Cleveland, OH

#272 Dec 4, 2007
What wrote:
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Once again, if the people commenting on this forum are really his neighbors, then it is relevent to his case because they will testify as character witnesses. He's been living there for 17 years and the Budichs have only been there for a year. So why all of sudden are all of these issues occurring? He could have done these things but nobody have all of the facts. If the other neighbors haven't had these problems with him in the past then that will be strongly important for Fugo. Also, all the information is public knowledge, so you can see all of the lawsuits the Budichs have filed in the past and if there's a pattern, that might help Fugo too. I guess we all have to wait and see.
I was saying phone calls are not public record, not lawsuits. But since, someone pointed out you can buy those records as well. The reason is the neighbors might have been calling in complaints but it just did not go into court.

I hate to tell you anonymous posts on a newspaper forum are useless. If they do decide to step forward in court than their word would mean something. Until than, it is nothing more than rumors and guesses.

Yes, if past lawsuits were excessive than that might help Fugo. But the few links I tried, they won so that does not help Fugo. Fugo's past court records would also come into play. It seems they in a way wash each other out.
Bad neighbors suck

Cleveland, OH

#273 Dec 4, 2007
Joyce Anderson wrote:
And, yes the City does laws regarding abuse of 911 calls which, applies to Budich's abuse of the system!
Do you know of a formal charge that the rest of us do not?
Joyce Anderson

Avon Lake, OH

#274 Dec 4, 2007
Bad neighbors suck wrote:
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I was saying phone calls are not public record, not lawsuits. But since, someone pointed out you can buy those records as well. The reason is the neighbors might have been calling in complaints but it just did not go into court.
I hate to tell you anonymous posts on a newspaper forum are useless. If they do decide to step forward in court than their word would mean something. Until than, it is nothing more than rumors and guesses.
Yes, if past lawsuits were excessive than that might help Fugo. But the few links I tried, they won so that does not help Fugo. Fugo's past court records would also come into play. It seems they in a way wash each other out.
Phone calls are public record, specifically 911 phone calls. And, out of the 30+ calls the Budich's made neither of them are related to civil anti-stalking order!
Are you saying that "if" someone goes to simply files a case in Court against someone else that the person who filed the case his/her rumors/guesses are valid?
Did you mean that if Fugo simply has more cases on record than the Budich's the Budich's are more credible and visa versa?
I just love this site!!!!
Joyce Anderson

Avon Lake, OH

#275 Dec 4, 2007
Bad neighbors suck wrote:
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Do you know of a formal charge that the rest of us do not?
No, what I was referring to is real simple. Did the Budich's realize that their bragging about the 30+ 911 calls could backfire on them at Fugo's municipal hearings. Why, how you ask?
Again, real simple. If the outcome of Fugo's criminal trials are ruled in his favor the Budich's could be charged criminally for making frivilous and excessive 911 calls, as well as be sued civilly by Fugo because of the costs to litigate this whole mess.
Honestly, now wouldn't it have been cheaper, more neighborly to have resolved the issues in Mediation? Obviously not, because the Budich's case history shows that they have a pattern of filing anti-stalking orders against their neighbor's. Which is why they can be sued by Fugo and charged by the City.
Bad neighbors suck

Cleveland, OH

#276 Dec 5, 2007
Joyce Anderson wrote:
Are you saying that "if" someone goes to simply files a case in Court against someone else that the person who filed the case his/her rumors/guesses are valid?
You better read a little closer. I said the posts on THIS SITE are no more than rumors or guesses, especially since most are anonymous with the no data to support them.

The statements made in the public record are documented with names, dates, times, description, etc. If something went court and was found to happen, it has even more validity.

I am just sicking of people suggesting they have this whole case figured out by reading anonymous posts from maybe neighbors on a newspaper forum. they have no validity to them.

Actions and data are all people should be looking at. Right now, for most on this forum, that is only the court records and if you trust it the newspaper article. Not a lot to make a judgment if you ask me.
Bad neighbors suck

Cleveland, OH

#277 Dec 5, 2007
Joyce Anderson wrote:
Did you mean that if Fugo simply has more cases on record than the Budich's the Budich's are more credible and visa versa?
No that is not what I said. I said you need to look at all court cases of both parties to make judgments on how these parties behave normally. I did not say that one person's case is ranked higher than another. I said those case that were taken to a completion (criminal or civil) would have more bearing on judging their histories.
Joyce Anderson

Avon Lake, OH

#278 Dec 5, 2007
Bad neighbors suck wrote:
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No that is not what I said. I said you need to look at all court cases of both parties to make judgments on how these parties behave normally. I did not say that one person's case is ranked higher than another. I said those case that were taken to a completion (criminal or civil) would have more bearing on judging their histories.
It may not be 'word for word' but that's what you were trying to imply. For the record, neither of their case history may play a part in this matter only if they are permitted into the 2 trials scheduled.'Everyone' but the jury will know both of their case history at the trials but, the jury may not be permitted to be told about them. It depends on which lawyer is able to get the other parties records entered into the trial so that it would benefit their clients case and, that's if either of them do at all...
Bad neighbors suck

Stow, OH

#279 Dec 5, 2007
Joyce Anderson wrote:
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It may not be 'word for word' but that's what you were trying to imply. For the record, neither of their case history may play a part in this matter only if they are permitted into the 2 trials scheduled.'Everyone' but the jury will know both of their case history at the trials but, the jury may not be permitted to be told about them. It depends on which lawyer is able to get the other parties records entered into the trial so that it would benefit their clients case and, that's if either of them do at all...
NO, it is not what I am implying. I say exactly what I mean. There is no reason to twist my words.

I am also not talking about court procedures. I am saying for this forum that is all the data we have to make judgments. You are discussing my points based on others comments, not mine.
annoyed

Berkeley, CA

#280 Dec 5, 2007
i think that fugo is more credible due to the fact that his neighbors are supporting him and not the Buddich's. Obviously fugo isn't a bother to his current or past neighbors. the buddich's should leave if they have a problem, also they have a history of sueing people.... that rings a bell
concerned

Berkeley, CA

#281 Dec 5, 2007
I am Joes neighbor and have been for the last 6 yrs and i have not had any problems with him. I have talked with the other neighbors and they dont see why joe should be forced out of his house that he has lived in for 17 yrs. the buddich's are trouble makers and the truth in this case will be revealed soon.
Joyce Anderson

Avon Lake, OH

#282 Dec 5, 2007
Bad neighbors suck wrote:
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NO, it is not what I am implying. I say exactly what I mean. There is no reason to twist my words.
I am also not talking about court procedures. I am saying for this forum that is all the data we have to make judgments. You are discussing my points based on others comments, not mine.
We all know what you are implying everytime you post something. And who appointed you as the person to place judgment on anyone? I was raised to believe and do believe that there's only one person that has that power, and it's not you.
When you point your finger (judge someone) at someone there are 4 fingers pointing back at you, your own! Who are you going to point a finger at now?

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