Michael Vick might be ready to get a new dog

Jul 18, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Examiner.com

A seemingly repentant Michael Vick told Matt Lauer that he might even be ready to get a new dog during an appearance on the Today Show yesterday morning.

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Yeah, I remember the fear of Rotties and Dobies. Although, a friend of mine had a Chow that scared me even more than either of them when I was a kid. lol. I agree though, it's the humans. There's no reason dogs have to be vicious. Hell, we've all seen bears and lions and many other WILD animals that can be tame when treated properly, much less an animal we've been domesticating for 1000's of years .
My wife and I had a conversation about our next dog, and we're definitely leaning toward a mix. And definitely something on the med/large size. I hear so many good things about boxers, I'd like to find one with boxer in him, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker.
AND, the boxers are just such a good all around dog--glad to go for a run with you or just as happy to curl up on the couch beside you as well as being big enough and protective enough to scare the bejeezus out of anyone with ill-intentions!!! They may not bite 'em but they can hold 'em off till you git the gun!!! LOL LOL.
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I'm just curious, do you not believe that it is possible for a breed of dog to be more prone to aggression due to it's genetics?
Of course that happens and same as people some are prone to aggression quicker and for different reasons than others. Take the pittie-his tendency to aggression was supposed to be as a guard dog, a protector,but leave it to humans to screw it up. Or should I say a few humans. I am no more afraid to lie down at night with pit and pit mixes than with kittens. They are non-aggressive and very humble. I have in the past had a few who were "aggressive" especially to other dogs but this was TRAINED into them and I TRAINED it out with kindness,exercise and rewards.When you say "a breed of dog" I assume you mean one or all of the four I mentioned. Don't believe everything you hear from a biased media who went out of their way to say Pits are fighters-trained or not. There is a pack mentality if you get 2 or more of any breed together unsupervised. People have to be responsible for their part in the lives of these dogs.
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Rescue 4 & Leah,

I tend to agree with both of you. I believe some dogs/breeds are born with a predisposition or tendency to be more aggressive. I also believe that this negative behavior CAN be trained and modified to make an aggressive dog less likely to be vicious. All anyone has to do to see this type of training right before your very eyes is to watch a few episodes of "The Dog Whisperer". I have never seen or heard of anyone working more "magic" with this type of behavior than Cesar Millan. Unfortunately, scum like vick and all other trash who fight dogs, work dilligently breeding only the most vicious and highly aggressive and continue to contribute to the perpetuation of this aggressive trait.

On more or less the same subject, tameness can also be bred into a canine species. In the 50's, a Soviet scientist, named Belyaev, proved this working with the Silver Fox. He actually bred tameness into a select population on that species. His work is fascinating and if you'd like to read a little more on it, just google his name or click on this hyperlink:
http://scienceblogs.com/thoughtfulanimal/2010...

Thank you both for your fantastic work and devotion to helping abused animals.
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Jim Evans Esq wrote:
Rescue 4 & Leah,
I tend to agree with both of you. I believe some dogs/breeds are born with a predisposition or tendency to be more aggressive. I also believe that this negative behavior CAN be trained and modified to make an aggressive dog less likely to be vicious. All anyone has to do to see this type of training right before your very eyes is to watch a few episodes of "The Dog Whisperer". I have never seen or heard of anyone working more "magic" with this type of behavior than Cesar Millan. Unfortunately, scum like vick and all other trash who fight dogs, work dilligently breeding only the most vicious and highly aggressive and continue to contribute to the perpetuation of this aggressive trait.
On more or less the same subject, tameness can also be bred into a canine species. In the 50's, a Soviet scientist, named Belyaev, proved this working with the Silver Fox. He actually bred tameness into a select population on that species. His work is fascinating and if you'd like to read a little more on it, just google his name or click on this hyperlink:
http://scienceblogs.com/thoughtfulanimal/2010...
Thank you both for your fantastic work and devotion to helping abused animals.
Cesare is great. I agree with most of his techniques and he is just naturally good with the dogs. His specialty is the gladiator breeds and is especially interested in the rotties and pits. His best helper, Daddy, was a pit who died of old age recently but he is getting Junior trained up to take Daddy's place. I wish his "tssht" sound he makes worked for me. I make that sound and my guys just look at me to be sure I didn't spring a leak and go ahead and do what they want anyhow!! LOL LOL LOL
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There was a picture that went around of the one dog Vick had that had no nose anymore and he wants another dog. BULL....

People need to take a look at the pictures of these dogs that were torn to shreds, shocked and if you still think Vick should have a dog, your nuts.
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Resue 4 wrote:
<quoted text>Cesare is great. I agree with most of his techniques and he is just naturally good with the dogs. His specialty is the gladiator breeds and is especially interested in the rotties and pits. His best helper, Daddy, was a pit who died of old age recently but he is getting Junior trained up to take Daddy's place. I wish his "tssht" sound he makes worked for me. I make that sound and my guys just look at me to be sure I didn't spring a leak and go ahead and do what they want anyhow!! LOL LOL LOL
Love "The Dog Whisperer". Notice the affection is not as most of us are used to behaving. Affection is earned and dogs understand this. The gal who carries the food and water and dishes out the hugs is the pack leader. But I don't hesitate to correct when needed. To hesitate, especially in front of a pack could be deadly if you had all aggressors. Instead of a "tssht" I have a very sharp short"hey"! Believe me-they know-those tails drop and eyes peep up at me. Love these guys!
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<quoted text>Love "The Dog Whisperer". Notice the affection is not as most of us are used to behaving. Affection is earned and dogs understand this. The gal who carries the food and water and dishes out the hugs is the pack leader. But I don't hesitate to correct when needed. To hesitate, especially in front of a pack could be deadly if you had all aggressors. Instead of a "tssht" I have a very sharp short"hey"! Believe me-they know-those tails drop and eyes peep up at me. Love these guys!
When you have a pack as large as yours you MUST be the pack leader. In my house there is NO doubt as to who is the big dog. LOL. Has to be that way. I think it is so important with any dog and ESPECIALLY with the types of dogs we end up with. Ultimately, though I firmly feel it is a comfort to them to know someone is in charge. They have no decisions to make in that regard although I had an issue with my pit wanting to dominate over my old boxer (weakest of the pack)but it is only when I am not in the house. Therefore, if I go out, Pickles (the pit) is either with me or goes into his kennel OR Rocky is with me.(Long story behind this, I'll write it someday if you want to hear it)

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His choice; however shouldn't he be monitored, only to see what the dogs being used for.
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His choice; however shouldn't he be monitored, only to see what the dogs being used for.
Many of us, myself included think the sociopath has NO business EVER owning another of these wonderful creatures. When he had a pet for his kids before he threw it into a ring of fighting dogs and thought it was funny. His "Handlers" have tried to make the public believe he has changed but guaranteed, he is the same vile POS he always was. If he was run over by a crosstown Philthadelphia bus not many other than hoodrats and his creditors would mourn him.
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There was a picture that went around of the one dog Vick had that had no nose anymore and he wants another dog. BULL....
People need to take a look at the pictures of these dogs that were torn to shreds, shocked and if you still think Vick should have a dog, your nuts.
You are soooo right!!
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Sorry for the double post. Had a computer fart.
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<quoted text>When you have a pack as large as yours you MUST be the pack leader. In my house there is NO doubt as to who is the big dog. LOL. Has to be that way. I think it is so important with any dog and ESPECIALLY with the types of dogs we end up with. Ultimately, though I firmly feel it is a comfort to them to know someone is in charge. They have no decisions to make in that regard although I had an issue with my pit wanting to dominate over my old boxer (weakest of the pack)but it is only when I am not in the house. Therefore, if I go out, Pickles (the pit) is either with me or goes into his kennel OR Rocky is with me.(Long story behind this, I'll write it someday if you want to hear it)
I would love to hear your stories! If I started with my bunch I'd be typing next year.LOL! I'm working on a time out method with these guys. Misbehave and you stay on a run for 5 minutes. I seriously doubt this will ever work BUT 2 seem to have an idea already. Guess who? The pit and the pit mix. Two of the smartest I've had in all my years!
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<quoted text>I would love to hear your stories! If I started with my bunch I'd be typing next year.LOL! I'm working on a time out method with these guys. Misbehave and you stay on a run for 5 minutes. I seriously doubt this will ever work BUT 2 seem to have an idea already. Guess who? The pit and the pit mix. Two of the smartest I've had in all my years!
They are absolutely VERY intelligent dogs. Probably credit more to the terrier in them than the "bull"!! Ha! Mr. Pickles the Pitbull's story began with me when I got a call for an emergency foster for him. A friend of mine had him and he had come from a house where a girl murdered her 6 week old infant child. I had red flags immediately because you have to figure if they can kill a child what did they do to the dog?? Anyhow, I asked my friend what his problems were and she informed me he was a good boy but had a tendency to "play too rough" with their 3 year old. I said exactly what do you mean by rough and she said the dog would knock him down and just stand over him. Not aggressive at all. I said that isn't rough play, that is DOMINANCE over what is the weakest of the pack. My friend just had surgery and didn't feel she could handle him at the time so I took him in to work with him. The first thing I did was change his name from BRUTUS to PICKLES.(Why oh why do people name these dogs with a stigma anyhow these horrid names?) He and Hudson became immediate best friends and he played well with Sully also. I kennel trained him within literally hours but he had food aggression issues and a couple other things that he worked real hard at and within a couple weeks had pretty much overcome. I had really not wanted to keep him but nobody came beating down my door for him so he became a permanent member of my pack. One thing I continued having problems with was a dominance issue with Rocky, my 14 year old boxer. NEVER when I was in the house but I would see or hear him taking a swipe at Rocky when I went out. Unacceptable. SO, I started to either have one or the other with me when I went out or simply kennel Pickles-- he kennels like a DREAM--mostly standing in kennel before I get back the hall. February of this year, I was at my place in town and went out to grab a bag of dog food out of my truck. A friend got me stopped to talk about 10 minutes and when I went back in Pickles had Rocky down in the hall TORE UP. It was apparent this wasn't just being snarky--he was killing him. Soon as I left out a war whoop Pickles immediately came off him but the damage was done. I made a flying trip to the emergency vet 30 miles away and they kept him overnight. MAJOR crush damage to his rear left leg and the side of his face was chewed up pretty good. I was worried about the possibility of him losing the leg but my vet is top of the line so laser treatments and other care for a couple months and $2500 later, Rocky did recover. Not 100% but he is comfortable with meds and special beds. Back to Pickles. I was in a horrible dilemma of what to do with this dog. If I had been at my place on the mountain, there wouldn't have been a question, I would have shot him before going to the vet and that would have been it but I was at my place in town and that was not an option. So, What to do?? To send him even to a rescue would have been a death warrant with his history. As it happened, Tuesday of the next week, the original owners mug shot was back on the front page of the paper with an article detailing her wanting a charge reduction for the murder of her child. I pulled out a marker and wrote across the paper "THIS IS THE SKANK THAT CAUSED PICKLES PROBLEMS!!!" I looked at him and told him he had just got a stay of execution but he WOULD be on lifetime PAROLE. I, myself am on probation as I have to accept some of the responsibility myself for letting Rocky alone with him. While I am in the house, Pickles is as loving with him as the others.
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To continue, If I would have seen any sign that Rocky was uncomfortable around Pickles, I would have had to make serious decisions but I don't see any signs of stress. I think Rocky completely trusts that I will see to any issues. I will always be diligent in this matter though as I have no doubt that the same could happen again in the right circumstances. I don't plan to ever let the situation happen again. At the slightest sign of Pickles "staring" or other snarky attitudes it is immediately and decisively addressed. This is a huge story of what the abuse heaped on a dog can do to his whole life, even after the abuse has stopped. Pickles will spend the rest of his life with me. His needs are VERY specific. He is terrified of men and I would not trust him around children. Rocky has recovered but with all the crush damage to the muscles in his leg and arthritis with his age he is pretty unsteady at times but I had a ramp built over the 4 steps off my back deck into the yard and he is managing well. In the end, a bad story ended up well and I can only hope the people that caused Pickles problems end up in hell for ALL the evil deeds they have done.
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Jim Evans wrote "Unfortunately, scum like vick and all other trash who fight dogs, work dilligently breeding only the most vicious and highly aggressive and continue to contribute to the perpetuation of this aggressive trait." 1000% correct. My parents purchased an English Bulldog from a breeder in the early 90's. They brought him to my house and he, at 7 weeks old, took a swipe at my 9 month old boxer that was at least 75 pounds at the time. I said "OO, you have a problem child!" If I would have known then what I know now, I would have made them take the tyke right back and collected their check. He was absolutely doted on in that house but had an aggressive disposition that came out regularly. If they dropped something on the floor, he immediately claimed it and bit them if they tried to take it. After 8 years of them trying to overcome this and several trips to the Doc's office and even a couple trips to the ER, I talked them into letting me send him to a bulldog rescue before he killed one of them. It took me almost an hour to get him into my car that day. After they had him for several months, I ran into someone who knew the breeder. Turns out, she was breeding and aggressive male to an aggressive female and she had no business breeding either one. Big lesson learned. Again, NOT the dog's fault--a people problem created by an irresponsible breeder.

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Jim Evans wrote "Unfortunately, scum like vick and all other trash who fight dogs, work dilligently breeding only the most vicious and highly aggressive and continue to contribute to the perpetuation of this aggressive trait." 1000% correct. My parents purchased an English Bulldog from a breeder in the early 90's. They brought him to my house and he, at 7 weeks old, took a swipe at my 9 month old boxer that was at least 75 pounds at the time. I said "OO, you have a problem child!" If I would have known then what I know now, I would have made them take the tyke right back and collected their check. He was absolutely doted on in that house but had an aggressive disposition that came out regularly. If they dropped something on the floor, he immediately claimed it and bit them if they tried to take it. After 8 years of them trying to overcome this and several trips to the Doc's office and even a couple trips to the ER, I talked them into letting me send him to a bulldog rescue before he killed one of them. It took me almost an hour to get him into my car that day. After they had him for several months, I ran into someone who knew the breeder. Turns out, she was breeding and aggressive male to an aggressive female and she had no business breeding either one. Big lesson learned. Again, NOT the dog's fault--a people problem created by an irresponsible breeder.
I don't know about you but first thing that happens here when medical issues are resolved is spaying/neutering. If done before about 6-7 months of age you normally have NO aggression issues. The longer you wait the more testosterone gets built up in the males and the dominance issue becomes a problem. Of course,all that was necessary in the wild but not any more. I have had males neutered as old as 6. Doesn't hurt a thing but takes at least 4 months to secrete all the testosterone.Even at this some of the behavior won't be abated but fighting is really helped by neutering. My advice:Neuter all males no matter the age,spay ALL females no matter the age. Close puppy mills,backyard breeders,breeders of any kind for any reason until we get a handle on these innocent animals being euthanized because of a bunch of greedy breeders who breed back to brothers and sisters.I'd be ashamed to buy from such a moron whose only interest is cash. Shelters and rescues are full to overflowing because of these gold diggers.
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At the initial checkup appointment for any rescue I get, the first thing that is done is arrangements for neutering. The sooner the better. I have had very few come to me with this already done. Pickles was a prime example. Bunch of drunken drugged up hoodlems that got him for all the wrong reasons. AND he most likely was a puppymill or back yard breeder dog.

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Great reading and advice everyone. I got stuck out of town this weekend and missed the conversations. I won't jam the forum with a ton of replies, but I wanted to let you know I read all your posts and appreciate the insight.
By the way, I see the eagles got a win despite the efforts of their 100 million dollar man. Against a team with 15 rookies and 11 players with a year under their belts no less. Baltimore next week ? OUCH !
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Great reading and advice everyone. I got stuck out of town this weekend and missed the conversations. I won't jam the forum with a ton of replies, but I wanted to let you know I read all your posts and appreciate the insight.
By the way, I see the eagles got a win despite the efforts of their 100 million dollar man. Against a team with 15 rookies and 11 players with a year under their belts no less. Baltimore next week ? OUCH !
Translation,please.

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<quoted text>Translation,please.
I assume you meant the part about the eagles. They played Cleveland this week. A team that is filled with inexperience. Vick threw 4 interceptions and the offense was terrible overall, against a team they should have blown out. But they barely pulled it off at the end. Now, this week they have Baltimore. They're a REAL team, so I was just imagining how ugly this will be for the eagles.

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