Raiders' Terrelle Pryor working hard on starting quarterback goal

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Quarterback Carson Palmer blocked Terrelle Pryor's path to the playing field in Pryor's first two NFL seasons.

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raiderfaith

Thomasville, NC

#21 Apr 19, 2013
Thank you for proving you can't accept fact. I wat he'd him play on TV(with replays) decsion making was horrible at best, accuracy was weak and he had liitle if any support or trust from the team as it seemed watching the games) so believe what you want, just thankful you aren't running the team.
NJ raider 1 wrote:
<quoted text> It's not whether I will accept your assumption, because that's all your doing assuming. The man played 1 full season yet y'all can judge if he's a bust or not, ridiculous! You're just another person easily influenced by the media. The only season he started, his stats were nearly identical to Matty Ice & Joe Flacco. Look it up! He was a black QB mobbed by the media for receiving $30 mill in guarantee money, victimized by bring drafted to a horrific team. You gotta be blind to see otherwise, or your eyes are fixed to see what you want to see. 1 full season starting & you can tell if he's a bust or not. This dude can't be serious! Manning & Aikman went 1-15 in their 1st season, & Troy had Irvin & Harper! Manning had nothing to work with, & it showed on the field in his 1st year! It's funny, our best receiver was Zach Miller, a TE & you call him the bust! I'm a true Raider, evidenced by my knowledge of the players, org, & situation at that time. You've came with nothing but media talking points! Anyway, let go TP6. Raider Nation 2013 & beyond!!!
Freddy

Granger, IN

#22 Apr 21, 2013
NJ raider 1 wrote:
1 thing you can trust & believe in is, there's no such thing as a draft bust! It all has to do with coaching & philosophy. JaMarcus Russell wasn't a bust, he was never even really giving a chance. Al Davis never drafted complete busts. It was just a sporadic order in which the talent he brought in was selected. Coaching falls under the teachers model. If the child isn't learning, you're not teaching right. Same for coaching. If players aren't progressing, you're not coaching well enuff. Giving enuff time & a true opportunity, Terrelle Pryor will be a monster. RM not stupid. He sees TP6 potential & just doesn't want to break him the way AD broke JaMarcus Russell.
No. Russell was a bust, because of himself. The Raiders tried several different ways to bring him along, and Russell failed them in every respect. First year, with the contract hold-out, they just asked him to sit and learn (he didn't). Year 2, they played him without super high expectations and he was tentative and lost (could not read defenses). Year 3, no pressure from any back-up (got rid of Garcia), it was his team (nothing). I think when you look back the Raiders had two reputable QB coaches. Russell did not have the desire or work ethic to succeed. Basically, he was a child that was not willing to learn.
Freddy

Granger, IN

#23 Apr 21, 2013
NJ raider 1 wrote:
& yes, people succeed in football because the people around them are successful. Look at the patriots. Brady went down they still went 11-5 with (can't think of his name) at QB. Then he goes to KC & proves my point. The line exception to this is Drew Breez. He left SD & to NO in a new system & flourished. Brady, Manning (both), Mcnabb ect... All great, but blessed to be in the same system surrounded by great players for their careers. Even when Montana went to KC, just like Peyton Manning, he was the same system. You know only the raiders, I know football. If a QB thrives in college, he can do it in theNFL with good coaching!
Russell did not thrive in college. He wasn't even a high draft pick going into the Championship game against Notre Dame. That was my argument for not drafting Russell. He played ND that had a 53rd ranked defense. They were not that good. Russell rode that hype all the way to the top of the draft.
raiderfaith

Niota, TN

#24 Apr 21, 2013
Lightening strikes again.Freddy and I agree!
Freddy

Granger, IN

#25 Apr 21, 2013
NJ raider 1 wrote:
<quoted text> More media talking points! 1st of all, the case was thrown out. 2nd of all he tested negative for promethazine on a drug test. 3rd, they drafted him heavier than he reported to training camp. 4th, dude is like 6"5, his weight is distorted by his height, but he was big when they drafted him. 5th, what coaching staff, what team? I just explained he didn't even have a QB coach & y'all call him the bust? AD depleted the roster just to sign Russell, & in the following years, new HC, new OC, still no QB coach, drafted sporadic with DHB being Russell's #1 WR. Y'all can say what y'all want! With the evidence I provided, you would lose in the court of law! Your opinion is media biased!
AD did not deplete the roster to sign Russell. Davis had no choice to pay him what he had to pay him. He was drafted #1 and that had a certain dollar amount regardless of position.
Freddy

Granger, IN

#26 Apr 21, 2013
NJ raider 1 wrote:
<quoted text> Bro look at how the situation went down bro. He only played 1 game of his first season because he held out. Last game of the season against SD, threw for 310yds(I think), 2 tds-1 int. Next season AD fired Lane Kiffen after 4 games.( mind you, Kiffen never wanted Russell). In comes Tom Cable. He was the best coach we had since Gruden, we fired him a year later, but during his tenure sat Russell in favor of Gradkowski, robbing him of more learning on the job! after being pulled for a career back up & scrutinized by the media, he finally snapped. Slipped up & said some dumshit like " I don't care, I'm rich." That was after 3 years of living with the weight of the franchise on his shoulders because AD depleted the roster to make room for Russell.His weight really had nothing to do with it, because they drafted him that way. Did I mention Greg Knapp was his OC, nuff said! Lol! He was shafted bro, real talk, & giving a real chance.
Gradkowski moved the offense with the same players as Russell. Russell was not robbed of learning on the job, he showed that he could not to the job.
NJ raider 1

Paterson, NJ

#27 Apr 21, 2013
& you based that brilliant idea of off what? The 1 game Gradkowski looked good against the Steelers! The running game moved the ball, that's why Justin Fargas got his AD pay day. Gradkowski was ok, that's why he was a career back up because his play was sporadic. State some facts like I gave you. At least say he had so & so WR that was good. You can't, & you can't state facts that overturn what I've stated in the last 3/4 posts. Only thing you got is what the media said! Reality is, he was destined to fail the minute AD broke the bank to sign him. In doing so he had to cut talent & fire staff. We traded Burgess, a player that was a 10 sack a year player for his career. Traded Woodson in the offseason, traded Gibson (safety). Gabril Wilson to the Giants. You have no facts. Keep believing the media. See where that gets ya. I haven't even mentioned Moss!
raiderfaith

Niota, TN

#28 Apr 21, 2013
Did you not read what he said? You draft a #1 you have a certain financial threshold you have to meet. That wouldn't matter what position you draft #1. You have to pay more for #1. It just so happened Davis paid for a BUST. You have yet to have a decent argument to support your misguided beliefs. Russell was a bust plain and simple.
NJ raider 1 wrote:
& you based that brilliant idea of off what? The 1 game Gradkowski looked good against the Steelers! The running game moved the ball, that's why Justin Fargas got his AD pay day. Gradkowski was ok, that's why he was a career back up because his play was sporadic. State some facts like I gave you. At least say he had so & so WR that was good. You can't, & you can't state facts that overturn what I've stated in the last 3/4 posts. Only thing you got is what the media said! Reality is, he was destined to fail the minute AD broke the bank to sign him. In doing so he had to cut talent & fire staff. We traded Burgess, a player that was a 10 sack a year player for his career. Traded Woodson in the offseason, traded Gibson (safety). Gabril Wilson to the Giants. You have no facts. Keep believing the media. See where that gets ya. I haven't even mentioned Moss!
raiderfaith

Niota, TN

#29 Apr 21, 2013
You are absolutely welcome to the opinion the you think if Russell had more time, different coaches and better players he could have done more. But the fact is he was a bust for us. And really the opinion above(better coaching,better players and more) would hold true for almost ever qb that ever played the game.
NJ raider 1 wrote:
1 thing you can trust & believe in is, there's no such thing as a draft bust! It all has to do with coaching & philosophy. JaMarcus Russell wasn't a bust, he was never even really giving a chance. Al Davis never drafted complete busts. It was just a sporadic order in which the talent he brought in was selected. Coaching falls under the teachers model. If the child isn't learning, you're not teaching right. Same for coaching. If players aren't progressing, you're not coaching well enuff. Giving enuff time & a true opportunity, Terrelle Pryor will be a monster. RM not stupid. He sees TP6 potential & just doesn't want to break him the way AD broke JaMarcus Russell.
its only me

West Chester, PA

#30 Apr 21, 2013
The Autumn Wind wrote:
I believe in you Pryor.Keep working hard. Silence the haters. Hopefully we get to see what the FASTEST QB IN THE NFL can do to improve accuracy,decision making,and unleashing that cannon. Once he gets the confidence,its a wrap...you heard it here first.
I am waiting for the comedy show this fall... Lmao
NJ raider 1

Baltimore, MD

#31 Apr 21, 2013
raiderfaith wrote:
You are absolutely welcome to the opinion the you think if Russell had more time, different coaches and better players he could have done more. But the fact is he was a bust for us. And really the opinion above(better coaching,better players and more) would hold true for almost ever qb that ever played the game.<quoted text>
Its funny that you call all the evidence I presented an opinion, as if what you presented was fact. To ignore the facts is #1, lying to yourself, & #2, plain ignorant. I'm telling you we need a QB, so don't be surprised if we give him a real look!
NJ raider 1

Baltimore, MD

#33 Apr 21, 2013
Freddy wrote:
<quoted text>Gradkowski moved the offense with the same players as Russell. Russell was not robbed of learning on the job, he showed that he could not to the job.
Its more than obvious Freddy, you read a paragraph & take out what you want to take out. Let me make this easy for the simple mind. Look at all those QBs we call great.(modern day). Peyton, Eli, Brady,(like I said Breez is the exception to the rule), all had the same offense for their whole career. All turned out great! Alex Smith on the other hand had a different OC every. Everybody was calling him a bust until he got comfortable because of playing in the same system. Turned SF into a championship contenders. Guess that was luck huh! You do known about the salary cap right? You do know in order to sign someone to a lengthy contract right? You do know that the cap this year is $123 mill, so back in 06"the cap was around $90 mill right? So in order to sign 1 player to $10 mill a year, some guys are going to have to get cut & his replacement will make less money. Don't feed me he was the #1 overall that year, he was going to make that amount regardless. That's bullshit! If you don't know QBs make the most money Calvin Johnson didn't get JaMarcus Russell & their draft slots were damn near identical. What was he #3,#4? I'm done schooling y'all. Think we what y'all want!
Freddy

Granger, IN

#34 Apr 21, 2013
NJ raider 1 wrote:
<quoted text> Its more than obvious Freddy, you read a paragraph & take out what you want to take out. Let me make this easy for the simple mind. Look at all those QBs we call great.(modern day). Peyton, Eli, Brady,(like I said Breez is the exception to the rule), all had the same offense for their whole career. All turned out great! Alex Smith on the other hand had a different OC every. Everybody was calling him a bust until he got comfortable because of playing in the same system. Turned SF into a championship contenders. Guess that was luck huh! You do known about the salary cap right? You do know in order to sign someone to a lengthy contract right? You do know that the cap this year is $123 mill, so back in 06"the cap was around $90 mill right? So in order to sign 1 player to $10 mill a year, some guys are going to have to get cut & his replacement will make less money. Don't feed me he was the #1 overall that year, he was going to make that amount regardless. That's bullshit! If you don't know QBs make the most money Calvin Johnson didn't get JaMarcus Russell & their draft slots were damn near identical. What was he #3,#4? I'm done schooling y'all. Think we what y'all want!
Calvin Johnson was #2 and he was paid big money. Jake Long, OT,#1 overall, was paid big money. Sam Bradford,#1 overall, the last to get the big money before the rule changes. Alex Smith did not make the 49ers a championship team. If so, Kaep would have been a drop-off in play. So I am select bits and pieces of someone's comment, that is better than selective memory and delusional.
NJ raider 1

Baltimore, MD

#35 Apr 21, 2013
Freddy wrote:
<quoted text>Calvin Johnson was #2 and he was paid big money. Jake Long, OT,#1 overall, was paid big money. Sam Bradford,#1 overall, the last to get the big money before the rule changes. Alex Smith did not make the 49ers a championship team. If so, Kaep would have been a drop-off in play. So I am select bits and pieces of someone's comment, that is better than selective memory and delusional.
No, Kaep sat behind Smith in the same offense for 2 straight seasons & his physical attributes won him the job. That has nothing to do with Smith being considered a bust got the first 5-6 years of his career, & in those 5-6 years he had a different OC every year. Fat forward to his last 2 years (especially last year before his injury) he was playing at a pro bowl level. Why because of familiarity with the offense. Jason Campbell had the same misfortune. How can a real player scout judge a player if in 5 years he had to learn 5 different
playbooks? Now, LT is the 2nd highest paid position in the league, so Jake Long got big money because his position, not his slot. No player gets more money than a QB, that's the reason they put the rookie wage scale into effect, because Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, & JaMarcus Russell, not Calvin Johnson, Jake Long, & Ndamakin Suh. What are you talking about? You're just another media mind, so why bother with this argument? He showed signs of not being able to read defenses? Where are you getting your info from? Of Gradkowski was so great, why was he cut? He's nothing more than a stop gap for his career. You talk about JaMarcus Russell not being able to cut it in his 3rd year. His OC was Greg Knapp, but I guess he doesn't get the pass everybody else gets under Knapp because he's JaMarcus Russell (the #1 bust). He still had no QB coach. That's why AD signed Jeff Garcia, to mentor Russell because we had no QB coach. It's well documented. Look it up! What are you talking bout he didn't thrive in college? He won the championship with LSU! He just jumped on the national stage in the Notre Dame game! It must be miserable not being able to think for yourself! You're the reason dumass sports reporters get paid so much money. They talk nonsense & you such it up like a vacuum!

Since: Mar 13

Union City, CA

#36 Apr 21, 2013
its only me wrote:
<quoted text>
I am waiting for the comedy show this fall... Lmao
You mean when we all are laughing at the DUMB look on your face!!?
Freddy

Granger, IN

#37 Apr 21, 2013
NJ raider 1 wrote:
<quoted text> No, Kaep sat behind Smith in the same offense for 2 straight seasons & his physical attributes won him the job. That has nothing to do with Smith being considered a bust got the first 5-6 years of his career, & in those 5-6 years he had a different OC every year. Fat forward to his last 2 years (especially last year before his injury) he was playing at a pro bowl level. Why because of familiarity with the offense. Jason Campbell had the same misfortune. How can a real player scout judge a player if in 5 years he had to learn 5 different
playbooks? Now, LT is the 2nd highest paid position in the league, so Jake Long got big money because his position, not his slot. No player gets more money than a QB, that's the reason they put the rookie wage scale into effect, because Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, & JaMarcus Russell, not Calvin Johnson, Jake Long, & Ndamakin Suh. What are you talking about? You're just another media mind, so why bother with this argument? He showed signs of not being able to read defenses? Where are you getting your info from? Of Gradkowski was so great, why was he cut? He's nothing more than a stop gap for his career. You talk about JaMarcus Russell not being able to cut it in his 3rd year. His OC was Greg Knapp, but I guess he doesn't get the pass everybody else gets under Knapp because he's JaMarcus Russell (the #1 bust). He still had no QB coach. That's why AD signed Jeff Garcia, to mentor Russell because we had no QB coach. It's well documented. Look it up! What are you talking bout he didn't thrive in college? He won the championship with LSU! He just jumped on the national stage in the Notre Dame game! It must be miserable not being able to think for yourself! You're the reason dumass sports reporters get paid so much money. They talk nonsense & you such it up like a vacuum!
Wrong. Calvin Johnson was paid less than Russell and more than #3. Garcia was not hired to mentor JR. He was hired to take JR's job. Look it up. Garcia thought JR was a joke and asked for his release. The Raiders granted his release. By the way, the Raiders had two very reputable QB coaches during this time. Look it up! JR did not thrive in college. He was injured. He had a great defense. He won a national championship because their team was very good. And they faced a team that was good on offense, but pretty bad on defense (ND).

Since: Jan 11

Tempe, AZ

#38 Apr 22, 2013
How many starts did Russell have? 15? 20? Simple fact, as this is my opinion, is he quit on the team. Also, simply a fact is he was never more than "ok" at times. Sure he may have had a decent game or two. But there was a reason Bruce Gradkowski outperformed Russell his final year, because he was done with the NFL. He didn't want to play, learn or try any more.

Of course there are parts you can blame on other circumstances not being ideal, and you would be correct, but it doesn't detract away from the majority of the badness coming directly from the QB himself.
NJ raider 1 wrote:
<quoted text> Bro look at how the situation went down bro. He only played 1 game of his first season because he held out. Last game of the season against SD, threw for 310yds(I think), 2 tds-1 int. Next season AD fired Lane Kiffen after 4 games.( mind you, Kiffen never wanted Russell). In comes Tom Cable. He was the best coach we had since Gruden, we fired him a year later, but during his tenure sat Russell in favor of Gradkowski, robbing him of more learning on the job! after being pulled for a career back up & scrutinized by the media, he finally snapped. Slipped up & said some dumshit like " I don't care, I'm rich." That was after 3 years of living with the weight of the franchise on his shoulders because AD depleted the roster to make room for Russell.His weight really had nothing to do with it, because they drafted him that way. Did I mention Greg Knapp was his OC, nuff said! Lol! He was shafted bro, real talk, & giving a real chance.

Since: Jan 11

Tempe, AZ

#39 Apr 22, 2013
Besides, this conversation is like complaining about the price of gasoline when their is a hole in your gas tank.

Russell didn't have much mental talent, drive, initiative.

The Raiders at the time didn't have much organization, depth or talent.

It's gone both ways before, but the Raiders as a team tried a hell of a lot harder than Russell did, that's for sure.
NJ raider 1

Baltimore, MD

#40 Apr 22, 2013
Corran Horn wrote:
Besides, this conversation is like complaining about the price of gasoline when their is a hole in your gas tank.
Russell didn't have much mental talent, drive, initiative.
The Raiders at the time didn't have much organization, depth or talent.
It's gone both ways before, but the Raiders as a team tried a hell of a lot harder than Russell did, that's for sure.
If try tried,I sure as hell didn't see it! If they tried, they would've surrounded him with talent like the falcons did Matt Ryan, like the Ravens did Joe Flacco! If you look at the org, we're still going through the reason they couldn't afford to surround him with talent. Javon Walker (over paid, under performer), Ashley Lilie(over paid under performer), Robert Gallery (overpaid, under performer),Michael Huff (just overpaid rookie in 06"), Warren Sapp(overpaid for a declined player). I probably just name about half of the "07" salary. Oh yea, Randy Moss(overpaid player that didn't want to be there). Now I'm sure I just surpassed half of the $90 salary cap on just 6 players, maybe 5 players if you take Huff & his couple mill dollar rookie contract. If you're breaking the bank on 5-6 players, 7 including Russell's whopper of a salary, you barely have enuff money to folk the 53 man roster with 2nd tier talent. We spent half our salary on 2nd tier talent that got paid like stars. Gradkowski moved the ball a little better because, he was mobile. We knew Russel want mobile when we drafted him, the man was 6"5, close to 280lbs. Think about it, the O-line was the big problem. Gallery was outta place, & the rest of the were old. Russell had 15 fumbles in the year 1/2 he started in Oakland. That tells the story. The line was shitty & he was getting sacked often & early. His receivers were ass. Ronald Curry was okay, but he wasn't a #1. Neither was Javon Walker by the time we got him, or Ashley Lilie, & when AD finally owned up to his mistakes & cut Walker & Lilie, & traded Curry, the WRs he drafted was far from NFL ready. Not saying I didn't like the picks, because I'm a DHB fan, Murphy too. No need to name Schillens, he stayed hurt. This is my opinion & it's real. The orgs did a service to Flacco & Ryan. Can even include Sanchez cuz he had Holmes & Edwards. The orgs did a disservice to Russell & Bradford. They never surrounded them with the talent like the others, but expected them to perform like them. At least STL gave Bradford a chance. Oakland never gave Russell a chance. 3 coaches in 3 years, 3 OC in 3 years(3 new playbooks), & a depleted roster of overpaid & under performing, over the hill players, & bad drafting=a horrible situation for any rookie QB to overcome, & none have!

Since: Jan 11

Tempe, AZ

#41 Apr 22, 2013
Yup, and i agree, Oakland didn't have much in terms of support players. But, Gradkowski did outplay him when he got his chances, which reinforces my theory that it was 60/40 or 70/30 JaMarcus sucking more than anything else.

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