Raiders' Terrelle Pryor working hard ...

Raiders' Terrelle Pryor working hard on starting quarterback goal

There are 41 comments on the Marin Independent Journal story from Apr 18, 2013, titled Raiders' Terrelle Pryor working hard on starting quarterback goal. In it, Marin Independent Journal reports that:

Quarterback Carson Palmer blocked Terrelle Pryor's path to the playing field in Pryor's first two NFL seasons.

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Since: Mar 13

Fairfield, CA

#1 Apr 18, 2013
I believe in you Pryor.Keep working hard. Silence the haters. Hopefully we get to see what the FASTEST QB IN THE NFL can do to improve accuracy,decision making,and unleashing that cannon. Once he gets the confidence,its a wrap...you heard it here first.
Mr Raider

United States

#2 Apr 18, 2013
Man i cannot wait till the draft!!!.. The more i see ezekial ansah the more i want him in a raider jersey! But we need more picks to rebuild quicker, and could fill alot of holes at the positions we need help on, so i would want are raiders to trade down. i just hope we dont get a BUST!
touchdowntimmybr own

Palmdale, CA

#3 Apr 18, 2013
i like his work ethic, i like his rapport with the guys in the locker room (did you see the harlem shake video he got them to do), but i'm just happy there's competition for the starting spot and i can't wait to see who works the hardest to get it.
NJ raider 1

Arlington, VA

#4 Apr 18, 2013
1 thing you can trust & believe in is, there's no such thing as a draft bust! It all has to do with coaching & philosophy. JaMarcus Russell wasn't a bust, he was never even really giving a chance. Al Davis never drafted complete busts. It was just a sporadic order in which the talent he brought in was selected. Coaching falls under the teachers model. If the child isn't learning, you're not teaching right. Same for coaching. If players aren't progressing, you're not coaching well enuff. Giving enuff time & a true opportunity, Terrelle Pryor will be a monster. RM not stupid. He sees TP6 potential & just doesn't want to break him the way AD broke JaMarcus Russell.
raiderfaith

Four Oaks, NC

#5 Apr 19, 2013
That is crap! Russell did it to himself. He was all about the money not playing. There were several articles talking about him and his "posse" being condescending and rude to fans. He didn't get it. I bet he does now. That he realized how quick 15mins of fame is. He had the chance...just didn't capitalize on it. If you mean it was due to wrong support staff and coaching...well then by that logic, EVERY qb could be a superstar with the right staff...Crap! End of the day it his his responsibility to perform.
NJ raider 1 wrote:
1 thing you can trust & believe in is, there's no such thing as a draft bust! It all has to do with coaching & philosophy. JaMarcus Russell wasn't a bust, he was never even really giving a chance. Al Davis never drafted complete busts. It was just a sporadic order in which the talent he brought in was selected. Coaching falls under the teachers model. If the child isn't learning, you're not teaching right. Same for coaching. If players aren't progressing, you're not coaching well enuff. Giving enuff time & a true opportunity, Terrelle Pryor will be a monster. RM not stupid. He sees TP6 potential & just doesn't want to break him the way AD broke JaMarcus Russell.
raiderfaith

Four Oaks, NC

#6 Apr 19, 2013
The staff didn't make him inaccurate or cause the team to have zero faith in him. Also didn't cause him to make poor decisions on the field.
NJ raider 1

Arlington, VA

#7 Apr 19, 2013
raiderfaith wrote:
That is crap! Russell did it to himself. He was all about the money not playing. There were several articles talking about him and his "posse" being condescending and rude to fans. He didn't get it. I bet he does now. That he realized how quick 15mins of fame is. He had the chance...just didn't capitalize on it. If you mean it was due to wrong support staff and coaching...well then by that logic, EVERY qb could be a superstar with the right staff...Crap! End of the day it his his responsibility to perform. <quoted text>
1st of all, when you draft a QB with only 2 years of college, you give him all the help he needs to win, not shave down the talent around him because you over spent to get him. I don't need to name the offense around him, because they were null and void. Bet you didn't know that on top of having a different OC every season, he had no QB coach, just like Pryor in his 1st 2 seasons. Name 1 QB that came in & won with no supporting staff, no QB coach, new OC & HC every year. Don't wreck your brain because you can't.
NJ raider 1

Arlington, VA

#8 Apr 19, 2013
& yes, people succeed in football because the people around them are successful. Look at the patriots. Brady went down they still went 11-5 with (can't think of his name) at QB. Then he goes to KC & proves my point. The line exception to this is Drew Breez. He left SD & to NO in a new system & flourished. Brady, Manning (both), Mcnabb ect... All great, but blessed to be in the same system surrounded by great players for their careers. Even when Montana went to KC, just like Peyton Manning, he was the same system. You know only the raiders, I know football. If a QB thrives in college, he can do it in theNFL with good coaching!
raiderfaith

Four Oaks, NC

#9 Apr 19, 2013
You don't need a supporting staff to show you have decision making capabilities. Same for accuracy. Make all the excuse you want. I agree consistency in coaching has been a huge issue for us, but aside from that there are tangibles he wasn't showing. If he did, another team would have jumped at picking him up. You can't tell me if he was worth picking up. Another scout from another team wouldn't have picked him up. These teams know how dysfunctional the Raiders have been so you can't believe Raiders painted such an ugly picture of him no one would want him. They look at tape. And teams take chances on character players all the time. He was a BUST! That is an undeniable fact.
NJ raider 1 wrote:
<quoted text> 1st of all, when you draft a QB with only 2 years of college, you give him all the help he needs to win, not shave down the talent around him because you over spent to get him. I don't need to name the offense around him, because they were null and void. Bet you didn't know that on top of having a different OC every season, he had no QB coach, just like Pryor in his 1st 2 seasons. Name 1 QB that came in & won with no supporting staff, no QB coach, new OC & HC every year. Don't wreck your brain because you can't.
raiderfaith

Four Oaks, NC

#10 Apr 19, 2013
And as for Pryor I hope he does play lights out football. I don't care if it's Flynn or Pryor. I just want whom ever gives us the best chance to win.

Since: Jan 11

Phoenix, AZ

#11 Apr 19, 2013
I think you each have valid points. A QB can quit on the best coaching staff, and the best coaching staff can turn around a QB who is ready to quit.

In this case, i think it was at least 60/40 Russel being a bum and not wanting to work. The coaching staff didn't make him fat and drink cough medicine and stuff.
raiderfaith wrote:
That is crap! Russell did it to himself. He was all about the money not playing. There were several articles talking about him and his "posse" being condescending and rude to fans. He didn't get it. I bet he does now. That he realized how quick 15mins of fame is. He had the chance...just didn't capitalize on it. If you mean it was due to wrong support staff and coaching...well then by that logic, EVERY qb could be a superstar with the right staff...Crap! End of the day it his his responsibility to perform. <quoted text>
NJ raider 1

Arlington, VA

#12 Apr 19, 2013
raiderfaith wrote:
And as for Pryor I hope he does play lights out football. I don't care if it's Flynn or Pryor. I just want whom ever gives us the best chance to win.
I don't make excuses, I state facts. His receivers was Jovan Walker, Ashley Lilie, a converted quarterback( can't even think of his name). The best player on the team was Justin Fargas. I've already shown the inconsistency in the organization at that time. You're over looking the part of him being drafted after only two years of college. He was young and said some young things when he felt the organization turned on him. He let money get to him. Doesn't mean he wasn't a good QB, just means he was young. McFadden is the perfect example of a player that fits a system. We saw last year that he would be considered a scrub in the zone blocking system, but considered a star and the power blocking system. Because JaMarcus Russell is still young, the team that takes a chance on him will be getting a good player as long as they are willing to put in the time and effort to bring the best out of him. Football if the ultimate team sports. Decision making is secondary to having a WR to throw the ball to. He didn't have that. Oh yea, the converted quarterback man was Ronald curry. The entire team was garbage, the entire organization!

Since: Jan 11

Phoenix, AZ

#13 Apr 19, 2013
But ya, i think Pyror has a chance here. I've said it before on here. I like to think of Pyror as sort of a last gift from Al. Would like to see him play some more but i don't want him to start the whole season. We don't have the parts around him yet.
raiderfaith

Four Oaks, NC

#14 Apr 19, 2013
He was a Bust plain and simple. You don't want to accept it, that's your problem.
NJ raider 1 wrote:
<quoted text> I don't make excuses, I state facts. His receivers was Jovan Walker, Ashley Lilie, a converted quarterback( can't even think of his name). The best player on the team was Justin Fargas. I've already shown the inconsistency in the organization at that time. You're over looking the part of him being drafted after only two years of college. He was young and said some young things when he felt the organization turned on him. He let money get to him. Doesn't mean he wasn't a good QB, just means he was young. McFadden is the perfect example of a player that fits a system. We saw last year that he would be considered a scrub in the zone blocking system, but considered a star and the power blocking system. Because JaMarcus Russell is still young, the team that takes a chance on him will be getting a good player as long as they are willing to put in the time and effort to bring the best out of him. Football if the ultimate team sports. Decision making is secondary to having a WR to throw the ball to. He didn't have that. Oh yea, the converted quarterback man was Ronald curry. The entire team was garbage, the entire organization!
NJ raider 1

Newark, NJ

#15 Apr 19, 2013
raiderfaith wrote:
He was a Bust plain and simple. You don't want to accept it, that's your problem.<quoted text>
It's not whether I will accept your assumption, because that's all your doing assuming. The man played 1 full season yet y'all can judge if he's a bust or not, ridiculous! You're just another person easily influenced by the media. The only season he started, his stats were nearly identical to Matty Ice & Joe Flacco. Look it up! He was a black QB mobbed by the media for receiving $30 mill in guarantee money, victimized by bring drafted to a horrific team. You gotta be blind to see otherwise, or your eyes are fixed to see what you want to see. 1 full season starting & you can tell if he's a bust or not. This dude can't be serious! Manning & Aikman went 1-15 in their 1st season, & Troy had Irvin & Harper! Manning had nothing to work with, & it showed on the field in his 1st year! It's funny, our best receiver was Zach Miller, a TE & you call him the bust! I'm a true Raider, evidenced by my knowledge of the players, org, & situation at that time. You've came with nothing but media talking points! Anyway, let go TP6. Raider Nation 2013 & beyond!!!
NJ raider 1

Newark, NJ

#16 Apr 19, 2013
Corran Horn wrote:
I think you each have valid points. A QB can quit on the best coaching staff, and the best coaching staff can turn around a QB who is ready to quit.
In this case, i think it was at least 60/40 Russel being a bum and not wanting to work. The coaching staff didn't make him fat and drink cough medicine and stuff.
<quoted text>
More media talking points! 1st of all, the case was thrown out. 2nd of all he tested negative for promethazine on a drug test. 3rd, they drafted him heavier than he reported to training camp. 4th, dude is like 6"5, his weight is distorted by his height, but he was big when they drafted him. 5th, what coaching staff, what team? I just explained he didn't even have a QB coach & y'all call him the bust? AD depleted the roster just to sign Russell, & in the following years, new HC, new OC, still no QB coach, drafted sporadic with DHB being Russell's #1 WR. Y'all can say what y'all want! With the evidence I provided, you would lose in the court of law! Your opinion is media biased!

Since: Jan 11

Phoenix, AZ

#17 Apr 19, 2013
Lol, ok, even accepting what you said as true, i still think he quit on the team, got fat, and generally stole money from a franchise. I don't respect him for that.
NJ raider 1

Arlington, VA

#18 Apr 19, 2013
Corran Horn wrote:
Lol, ok, even accepting what you said as true, i still think he quit on the team, got fat, and generally stole money from a franchise. I don't respect him for that.
Bro look at how the situation went down bro. He only played 1 game of his first season because he held out. Last game of the season against SD, threw for 310yds(I think), 2 tds-1 int. Next season AD fired Lane Kiffen after 4 games.( mind you, Kiffen never wanted Russell). In comes Tom Cable. He was the best coach we had since Gruden, we fired him a year later, but during his tenure sat Russell in favor of Gradkowski, robbing him of more learning on the job! after being pulled for a career back up & scrutinized by the media, he finally snapped. Slipped up & said some dumshit like " I don't care, I'm rich." That was after 3 years of living with the weight of the franchise on his shoulders because AD depleted the roster to make room for Russell.His weight really had nothing to do with it, because they drafted him that way. Did I mention Greg Knapp was his OC, nuff said! Lol! He was shafted bro, real talk, & giving a real chance.

Since: Mar 13

Fairfield, CA

#19 Apr 19, 2013
raiderfaith wrote:
The staff didn't make him inaccurate or cause the team to have zero faith in him. Also didn't cause him to make poor decisions on the field.
Are you serious? The team seemed to play harder in that SD game.Poor decisions??..yeah that maybe true,but he was accurate.It was his lack of confidence in himself,and lobbing the ball as to make sure it went where he wanted it to go.Those things can be improved,with time and good coaching.

Since: Mar 13

Fairfield, CA

#20 Apr 19, 2013
NJ raider 1 wrote:
& yes, people succeed in football because the people around them are successful. Look at the patriots. Brady went down they still went 11-5 with (can't think of his name) at QB. Then he goes to KC & proves my point. The line exception to this is Drew Breez. He left SD & to NO in a new system & flourished. Brady, Manning (both), Mcnabb ect... All great, but blessed to be in the same system surrounded by great players for their careers. Even when Montana went to KC, just like Peyton Manning, he was the same system. You know only the raiders, I know football. If a QB thrives in college, he can do it in theNFL with good coaching!
Tell em NJ Raider...couldnt have said it better!!

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