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Desmond Bishop Spurns Kansas City Chiefs, Opts for Revenge With Vikings

There are 141 comments on the JustBlogBaby story from Jun 24, 2013, titled Desmond Bishop Spurns Kansas City Chiefs, Opts for Revenge With Vikings. In it, JustBlogBaby reports that:

Raiders fans can breathe a little easier as well as being able to poke a little fun at their AFC West rivals as the Kansas City Chiefs will not be landing the services of former Super Bowl champion linebacker Desmond Bishop as the former Packer has decided to join the Minnesota Vikings.

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eric

Verona, WI

#21 Jun 26, 2013
FortyforSixty wrote:
The trend is 'move west young man'
The whole genius of TT has been wrapped up in WR's and Aaron. If not for Aaron, TT would be labeled a bust and probably all ready relieved of duty. He has not built a defense, or an offensive line, or a running game.
With the steady stream of players moving to God's Country, Pro Bowlers and others having their most productive seasons in their careers, TT is at the teetering point. A 15-1 season, followed by high expectations and another division title has been truncated by dismal showings in the playoffs. GB has been outmaneuvered by more balanced teams, and shown to be pretenders when it counts. Desmond Bishop may never be the same player, but he also may be. Woodson wanted to stay, Driver wanted to stay, Longwell wanted to stay, Sharper wanted to stay, Jennings wanted to stay, Bishop wanted to stay.......and of course Favre wanted to stay.
Yet, TT found it wise to jettison all those players and now it's coming back to bite him where it hurts. GB loses a lot of leadership this year, whether or not it will be replaced is the big question. Living off of Aaron has been entertaining, but heaping more responsibility upon him with personnel moves could backfire big time. I think the last couple years have proven that Rodgers can't do it all, whether or not the packer O'Line and defense can do their part is the real question. Rodgers isn't going to get any better, AD isn't going to get any better, it's the rest of the team that will bring a 'team' to the promise land.
Three first round draft choices just may be that ace in the hole.
Please concentrate on your 1st paragraph when i make my statement..
TT Signed or drafted Aaron Rodgers after how many teams passed on him..TT Traded Favre and drafted Clay Mathews with the Favre pick...in 2010 the DEFENSE that TT and Co. built had a huge hand in winning the SB. He let Sharper go and replaced him with Nick Collins a def. step forward.IF Jennings wanted to stay,he would have taken the 10M GB offered him,but, he chose the moneya nd when he didnt get it,he moved to Minn ( as they were desperate enough to sign him to the big money,,just not as big as he wanted)..TT has proven and is still considered one of the best GMs in the game and he has something Minn. GM may never get in MN..A Super Bowl ring
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#22 Jun 26, 2013
FortyforSixty wrote:
The trend is 'move west young man'
The whole genius of TT has been wrapped up in WR's and Aaron. If not for Aaron, TT would be labeled a bust and probably all ready relieved of duty. He has not built a defense, or an offensive line, or a running game.
With the steady stream of players moving to God's Country, Pro Bowlers and others having their most productive seasons in their careers, TT is at the teetering point. A 15-1 season, followed by high expectations and another division title has been truncated by dismal showings in the playoffs. GB has been outmaneuvered by more balanced teams, and shown to be pretenders when it counts. Desmond Bishop may never be the same player, but he also may be. Woodson wanted to stay, Driver wanted to stay, Longwell wanted to stay, Sharper wanted to stay, Jennings wanted to stay, Bishop wanted to stay.......and of course Favre wanted to stay.
Yet, TT found it wise to jettison all those players and now it's coming back to bite him where it hurts. GB loses a lot of leadership this year, whether or not it will be replaced is the big question. Living off of Aaron has been entertaining, but heaping more responsibility upon him with personnel moves could backfire big time. I think the last couple years have proven that Rodgers can't do it all, whether or not the packer O'Line and defense can do their part is the real question. Rodgers isn't going to get any better, AD isn't going to get any better, it's the rest of the team that will bring a 'team' to the promise land.
Three first round draft choices just may be that ace in the hole.
Thompson just got rid of some of my favorite Packer players, including my favorite, Charles Woodson. But I doubt that getting rid of players will bite Thompson. I haven't always agreed with Thompson decisions, but one area that he has been very good is getting rid of players at the right time.

However, I do agree with you that Rodgers can't do it all. And the Packer O'Line and defense NEED to step it up if the Packers hope to have greater postseason success. The leadership void caused by the departure of some players is not only a negative though. It is also an opportunity. It allows younger guys to assume those roles. In the NFL if you want to stay on top, leadership has to be passed from one generation to the next. Many Packer offensive linemen and defensive players have a great opportunity to become leaders.
GBPmies

Finland

#23 Jun 26, 2013
Kevin Seifert of ESPN NFC North Blog made some valid points about the Packers releace of veteran players.

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http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth

Tuesday's SportsNation chat brought a nuanced discussion amid the continuing intra-division flow from the Green Bay Packers to the Minnesota Vikings. It's usually assumed that successful general managers only allow veteran players to leave when their careers are on the downturn, but that hasn't always been the case with the Packers' Ted Thompson.

The difference: Thompson is willing to part ways with still-productive veterans when he is relatively certain he either has a suitable replacement or that he can find one imminently. The relevant discussion:

JR. Eau Claire Wi [via mobile]

When will the Vikings start paying Ted Thompson for being their GM too?

Kevin Seifert (2:02 PM)

Ha. Was talking about this the other day with someone. The Packers have been so good at developing young talent that their castoffs are more than worth sifting through. When the Packers release someone or let them leave via free agency, it doesn't mean they can't play anymore. It just means the Packers have younger and/or cheaper players they want to use instead.

Mike (Wisconsin)

Referring to my earlier comment, Thompson had [Aaron] Rodgers and [Mason] Crosby to replace [Brett] Favre and [Ryan] Longwell. They're still trying to find a guard to replace [Mike] Wahle/[Marco] Rivera and a pass rushing 3 down DE like [Cullen] Jenkins. Nick Collins also effectively replaced [Darren] Sharper who also had a few good years left. The career ending injury was more of a fluke thing but you can't deny Packers had Collins to replace Sharper.

Kevin Seifert (2:26 PM)

There's a difference between having good players to replace departed veterans, which the Packers did, and letting players go when you judge their careers to be done, which the Packers did not. They have released players who still have some tread on the tires. In most cases it was prompted by having a worthy replacement on hand, but that doesn't mean those players' careers were over when they were released.

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I guess in many cases the Pack can let some guys walk because they are so damn good at developing young talent and need to get those new guys on the field while the vikings want to fill their many holes with former Packers because they know they probably will be good players or at least better than what they currently have.

But why do the vikings have so many holes to fill? Is it because they are not as good at developing young talent or just drafting the wrong guys? Silly viking fans bash TT but the vikes organization wants his castoffs becasue thier front office is NOT getting it done.

Enjoy the sloppy seconds guys!

“HHhhhoooowwwlll”

Since: Feb 08

Craigville

#24 Jun 26, 2013
GBPfan wrote:
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Ted Thompson has definitely been the most successful GM in the division, but he hasn't had great success with first round picks. In fact, all GMs have first round busts. It happens. If you are counting on the Vikings 3 first round picks, good luck! You will need it. Statistically, the Vikings will actually be doing well if one becomes a real good player. And the odds are against ANY of them having much impact this season.
Rick Spielman became Vice President of Player Personell in 2006, since then: 2006-Chad Greenway, 2007-AD, 2008-No first rounder, 2009-Percy Harvin, 2010- No first rounder, 2011-Ponder, 2012-Kalil, and Harrison Smith.
From his track record, it would be more unlikely that one or two of them doesn't become a perenial All-Pro. TT has struggled with first rounders, but Spielman has not.
I don't expect all three to contribute this year, but two of the three would be great, and given Spielmans record, likely.
GBPmies

Finland

#25 Jun 26, 2013
Bleeds Purple wrote:
Cant blame Bishop for coming to the best team in the NFC North.
Are you saying the Vikings are going to win the NFC North this year?

Or do you mean the best team as simply your “favorite team”?

Your post is confusing because obviously the Packers are the best team in the NFC North and NFC North Champs. If the vikes win the North this year than they are the “best” in the division, until then they are 2nd best, did you mean 2nd best? Perhaps you did. That would actullaly make some sense, since they were 2nd best last year and have not beaten the best to become the best.


Here let me help you...

Cant blame Bishop for coming to the 2ND best team in the NFC North.

Now there you go! Most welcome my friend! ;)
GBPmies

Finland

#26 Jun 26, 2013
40for60 wrote:
<quoted text>
Rick Spielman became Vice President of Player Personell in 2006, since then: 2006-Chad Greenway, 2007-AD, 2008-No first rounder, 2009-Percy Harvin, 2010- No first rounder, 2011-Ponder, 2012-Kalil, and Harrison Smith.
From his track record, it would be more unlikely that one or two of them doesn't become a perenial All-Pro. TT has struggled with first rounders, but Spielman has not.
I don't expect all three to contribute this year, but two of the three would be great, and given Spielmans record, likely.
Sure sure credit Ricky with the good and blame the rest of the crap on the other 2 heads of the past monster :)

No, Ricky has done pretty good so far. These next few years will be interesting to see what he has planned and his vision for the team down the road and some interesting contracts coming up (GB too).

Since you are a somewhat normal fan can you tell me about Ricky’s GM style? TT is draft and develop guy and doesn’t go for big name FAs unless they are his own and hates to over pay. What type of GM do you see Ricky as? Or is it too early to tell? I know he has had many holes to fill since taking over as GM and is very aggressive on draft day and I think FA too when he sees someone he wants.

What is your take on the Rick? Seriously, not being a smart azz meme this time. I have never really understood what he is all about as a GM. BP you can chime in on this too if you like.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#27 Jun 26, 2013
40for60 wrote:
<quoted text>
Rick Spielman became Vice President of Player Personell in 2006, since then: 2006-Chad Greenway, 2007-AD, 2008-No first rounder, 2009-Percy Harvin, 2010- No first rounder, 2011-Ponder, 2012-Kalil, and Harrison Smith.
From his track record, it would be more unlikely that one or two of them doesn't become a perenial All-Pro. TT has struggled with first rounders, but Spielman has not.
I don't expect all three to contribute this year, but two of the three would be great, and given Spielmans record, likely.
You are clearly much too impressed with that track record. Percy Harvin was clearly the best of the bunch and he's not there anymore. But as long as you are impressed with his drafting that is all that matters. Who cares about things like division titles or NFL titles?

BTW there is a HUGE difference between contributing significantly versus simply contributing. I would certainly expect all 3 to contribute to some degree. It's just that few rookies make much of an impact. Heck, the Redskins had RG3 and Alfred Morris (one of the very rare exceptions to the rule) and even those two didn't manage to get the Skins any further than the Vikings.
eric

Verona, WI

#28 Jun 26, 2013
Although RGIII playing on a bum knee took a lot of balls for sure! A healthy RG III MAY have got them past Seattle,esp. at the end of the game with the Turnover
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#29 Jun 26, 2013
And a healthier Seattle team may have put the game out of reach much sooner. Who cares about what MIGHT have been "if" any one of a million different scenarios played itself out? The point isn't what MIGHT have been. The point is that even with two exceptionally talented rookies making significant contributions (which is a rarity) the contributions were insufficient to make the Skins advance out of the first round of the playoffs. Viking fans can dream that their rookies are going to more than make up for the loss of Percy Harvin, but in reality they would be VERY fortunate to simply break even.
eric

Verona, WI

#30 Jun 26, 2013
Theres no doubt Losing Harvin will hurt.Seattle thought enough of him to give Minn a 1st,so they obviously think highly of Harvin. I think rookies contributing happens a bit more then you think they do though..
If they are depending on Patterson the WR from Tenn.i think they will be a bit disappointed ( unless its returns) 2 or 3 years in lower end Collage ball and a year at Tennessee,he may need a year to develop,but the De.linemen from Florida they drafted may end up being a good one.
40for60

Duluth, MN

#31 Jun 26, 2013
GBPfan wrote:
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You are clearly much too impressed with that track record. Percy Harvin was clearly the best of the bunch and he's not there anymore. But as long as you are impressed with his drafting that is all that matters. Who cares about things like division titles or NFL titles?
BTW there is a HUGE difference between contributing significantly versus simply contributing. I would certainly expect all 3 to contribute to some degree. It's just that few rookies make much of an impact. Heck, the Redskins had RG3 and Alfred Morris (one of the very rare exceptions to the rule) and even those two didn't manage to get the Skins any further than the Vikings.
Percy is better than AD? Do explain that one
It has been common knowledge that the Vikings have been rebuilding, don't forget who predicted the Vikings to be lucky to win 3 games. With the jump last year, all without a star at the most important position, fan anticipation of what comes next is realistically high. If Ponder can grow into the QB we need, do you really think we don't have a chance? As opposed to Washington, we already have a good team, impact rookies will make a good team better, not a bad team worthy of a title.
I see this off season as just a bunch of static noise, the usual packer love fest and bashing of anyone who would dare say they have a legitimate shot at taking the North title away. Vikings 7 game swing in wins, gb 4 game drop in wins. The math is pretty basic, the formula, not so much.
40for60

Duluth, MN

#32 Jun 26, 2013
GBPmies wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure sure credit Ricky with the good and blame the rest of the crap on the other 2 heads of the past monster :)
No, Ricky has done pretty good so far. These next few years will be interesting to see what he has planned and his vision for the team down the road and some interesting contracts coming up (GB too).
Since you are a somewhat normal fan can you tell me about Ricky’s GM style? TT is draft and develop guy and doesn’t go for big name FAs unless they are his own and hates to over pay. What type of GM do you see Ricky as? Or is it too early to tell? I know he has had many holes to fill since taking over as GM and is very aggressive on draft day and I think FA too when he sees someone he wants.
What is your take on the Rick? Seriously, not being a smart azz meme this time. I have never really understood what he is all about as a GM. BP you can chime in on this too if you like.
Ricky I believe has been granted a lot of power by Ziggy, and by naming him GM, Zigmunt has handed over personnel responsibilities fully. He has been a very good early round judge of talent, but has not had the same success as TT in the later rounds. He hasn't been in the GM role long enough to get a good read, but by making free agency moves and stellar draft picks, he has turned this team around rather quickly. Bringing in Cassel was a good move, Jennings too, not just as a top notch receiver, but with his peripheral contributions with a young receiving corps. Ponder is the wild card, he will never be a Rodgers, just doesn't have the velocity/touch, but not many do. Speilman will ultimately sink or swim with his pick at QB.
eric

Verona, WI

#33 Jun 26, 2013
Adrian Peterson,,what a great,great back.I do wonder if he can run for 2K yards again..That is a very tough thing to do but to do it again ( 2 straight years?).If Ponder can become that qb,He has a great shot at it as you have to respect the arm
Vikes had a nice 7 game swing and yes GB dropped 4 but its hard to improve on a 15-1 record wouldnt you say?
11-5 is still solid and GB will be there again.
Minnesota went from 3 to 10 which is terrific but again in 09 they made the NFC title game and in 10 they were flat out bad ( granted that was Favre having his best season,then Favre hitting that wall finally and calling it a career) and now its Ponder in the 3 win then 10 win season.
We are forgetting about Detroit here.Their front 7 is prob. the best in the division ( they lost Avril,so they may have fallen back a bit) but if Bush can improve that running game, Stafford is pretty solid at QB and Det can clean up that special teams ( they gave up 2 TD to Minn. in a loss and a few other games gave up something big to set up loses) Det may be in it as well.Dont forget, Det. made the playoffs in 11 before their 4 win season in 12..I think it will be a fun and interesting year,I personally think Det. will be a bit better and a little bit more solid then last year.Chicago won 11 in 10,,,8 in 11 and 10 in 12 but with a new coaching staff,who knows,If the offense clicks but the defense doesnt play as well,maybe the defense struggles ( but it has the past few years) and the defense has to p.u. again,,who knows.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#34 Jun 26, 2013
GBPfan wrote:
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We're in trouble? Do the Vikings have any players on the defensive line under 30? And your projected starter at QB is 31! So I guess Rodgers is relatively young. And obviously the Packers have had injury problems. Funny thing is that we still win Super Bowls and dominate the division despite the injuries. Just imagine if the Packers stay reasonably healthy for a change!
Youre the one that said Jennings was relatively old when youre own reciever Jones is the same age and Nelson is one year younger.Youre the one that cant stick to youre story.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#35 Jun 26, 2013
GBPfan wrote:
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You are clearly much too impressed with that track record. Percy Harvin was clearly the best of the bunch and he's not there anymore. But as long as you are impressed with his drafting that is all that matters. Who cares about things like division titles or NFL titles?
BTW there is a HUGE difference between contributing significantly versus simply contributing. I would certainly expect all 3 to contribute to some degree. It's just that few rookies make much of an impact. Heck, the Redskins had RG3 and Alfred Morris (one of the very rare exceptions to the rule) and even those two didn't manage to get the Skins any further than the Vikings.
How about Blair Walsh.Walsh,Rudolph,Kalil all in the pro bowl.
viking nation

Madera, CA

#36 Jun 26, 2013
From the time Rick Spielman joined the Vikings he was in on selecting Adrian Peterson (2007), Percy Harvin (2008), Christian Ponder (2011), Matt Kalil (2012) and Harrison Smith (2012). All 5 were starters in their rookie seasons, 4-of-the-5 were All-Rookie selections, 3-of-the-5 were Pro Bowlers as rookies and Peterson and Harvin were each named Offensive Rookie of the Year. Also lets not forget Walsh pro bowl kicker that was a 6th round pick . There is also free agent FB Jerome Felton Pro Bowl player. From the time Spielman took over the draft from 2007-12, the Vikings drafted 5 players (Peterson, Sidney Rice, Harvin, Kyle Rudolph, Walsh and Matt Kalil), signed 2 as free agents (Brett Favre, Felton) and acquired 1 in trade (Jared Allen) who have gone on to earn Pro Bowl honors.
viking nation

Madera, CA

#37 Jun 26, 2013
VIKINGS HONORS UNDER SPIELMAN
ALL-ROOKIE
2007- Adrian Peterson, Brian Robison
2009- Phil Loadholt, Percy Harvin
2011- Kyle Rudolph
2012- Matt Kalil, Harrison Smith, Blair Walsh

PRO BOWL
2007- Matt Birk, Steve Hutchinson, Adrian Peterson, Tony Richardson, Darren Sharper, Kevin Williams, Pat Williams
2008- Hutchinson, Peterson, K. Williams, P. Williams, Jared Allen, Antoine Winfield
2009- Allen, Hutchinson, Peterson, Williams, Winfield, Heath Farwell, Brett Favre, Percy Harvin, Sidney Rice
2010- Peterson, Williams, Winfield, EJ Henderson
2011- Allen, Chad Greenway
2012- Allen, Peterson, Greenway, Jerome Felton, Kyle Rudolph, Blair Walsh, Matt Kalil

ALL PRO
2007- Steve Hutchinson, Adrian Peterson, Kevin Williams
2008- Jared Allen, Steve Hutchinson, Adrian Peterson, Kevin Williams
2009- Jared Allen, Steve Hutchinson, Adrian Peterson, Kevin Williams
2011- Jared Allen
2012- Adrian Peterson, Blair Walsh, Chad Greenway, Jerome Felton, John Sullivan
viking nation

Madera, CA

#38 Jun 26, 2013
(Speilman will ultimately sink or swim with his pick at QB.) No way! not for one player that didn't work out. Speilman has had to many quality players to have one guy that didn't work out get him fired . Drafting a QB is high risk & yes if the person hadn't had high percentage of other drafty's he would be fired but to have one that didn't pan out theres no way the owner would let Speilman go even if that player was a QB. Only them looking for a story to print would say it & fans that don't know any better. No that knows the game would say that & Sure not a football junkie.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#39 Jun 27, 2013
eric wrote:
Theres no doubt Losing Harvin will hurt.Seattle thought enough of him to give Minn a 1st,so they obviously think highly of Harvin. I think rookies contributing happens a bit more then you think they do though..
If they are depending on Patterson the WR from Tenn.i think they will be a bit disappointed ( unless its returns) 2 or 3 years in lower end Collage ball and a year at Tennessee,he may need a year to develop,but the De.linemen from Florida they drafted may end up being a good one.
Do the math! Take the number of rookies signed each season. Hundreds go to training camps. Then try to name more than a dozen that make a significant contribution. Good luck! The frickin fact that you are talking about years to develop those players proves MY point!
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#40 Jun 27, 2013
40for60 wrote:
<quoted text>
Percy is better than AD? Do explain that one
It has been common knowledge that the Vikings have been rebuilding, don't forget who predicted the Vikings to be lucky to win 3 games. With the jump last year, all without a star at the most important position, fan anticipation of what comes next is realistically high. If Ponder can grow into the QB we need, do you really think we don't have a chance? As opposed to Washington, we already have a good team, impact rookies will make a good team better, not a bad team worthy of a title.
I see this off season as just a bunch of static noise, the usual packer love fest and bashing of anyone who would dare say they have a legitimate shot at taking the North title away. Vikings 7 game swing in wins, gb 4 game drop in wins. The math is pretty basic, the formula, not so much.
You got me there! Peterson is pretty good. I kinda took that for granted. But Percy was definitely the best of the rest. And I definitely think that IF Ponder grows into the QB the Vikings need they have a chance. However, like most football fans (that aren't Viking fans) I see no objective reason to believe that Ponder will do that. Not that all Viking fans are blinded by foolish hope. It was a Viking fan that told me some people have predicted that Matt Cassel will be the starter this season. I think Cassel is not very good, but it is a credible possibility.

And don't try to claim that the Vikings are better than the Redskins. Both teams were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs. However, the Redskins have already accomplished the amazing feat of drafting 2 outstanding rookie players in the same season, one at the NFL's most important position. That clearly seperates them from the Vikings who only are HOPING to have some rookies make up for the loss of one of the NFL's most dynamic players.

I see this off season as just a bunch of static noise, the usual viking love fest and bashing of anyone who would dare mention any FACTS! Enjoy your offseason, because there is no reason to suspect anything other than the same result we have seen for 50+ years.

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