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answerman

Appleton, WI

#21 Dec 5, 2012
Harry wrote:
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Pull him out in favor of who?
Webb is a QB/WR but does neither.
There is no veteran backup with 100 miles left in the tank. There is no hotshot rookie champing at the bit.
In the old days teams spent years grooming QBs.
Its only recently that 1st round QBs were overpaid and expected to win instantly.
(followed Eric over from the Packers forum)

I dunno guys. Harry's got it right. Expecting Ponder to be ready this year, let alone last year, was asking a bit much. I personally think that with the right development he can turn into a quality NFL QB. Hopefully it's not still too late for that.

In retrospect (and this might look like 20/20 hindsight, but let's face it, pretty much everyone thought the Vikings reached for Ponder at the time he was drafted) the Vikings easily could have drafted Solder or Castonzo at #12 and no one would have questioned their choice, and then picked up Ponder in the second round. Leave McNabb in all year or put Webb in while letting Ponder sit on the bench. Then, assuming that they finished 2011 with the same record (because none of those players would have been an instant fix), this year they could have drafted Justin Blackmon or traded down and picked up one or two of the later first round receivers, and more OL help.

Under this scenario they don't get Kyle Rudolph, but I think you all agree that a deep threat is more valuable than a tight end on a team that has Adrian Peterson. Plus they got Ponder a year of experience, some experience on the OL, and someone to throw to.

I actually think Ponder, developed correctly, will be a pretty good NFL QB. But throwing him out there with no protection and no one to throw to isn't going to do it. Hopefully it's not too late, because even though I'm a Packers fan, I do want the Vikings to be competitive.
Harry

Los Angeles, CA

#22 Dec 5, 2012
answerman wrote:
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(followed Eric over from the Packers forum)
I dunno guys. Harry's got it right. Expecting Ponder to be ready this year, let alone last year, was asking a bit much. I personally think that with the right development he can turn into a quality NFL QB. Hopefully it's not still too late for that.
In retrospect (and this might look like 20/20 hindsight, but let's face it, pretty much everyone thought the Vikings reached for Ponder at the time he was drafted) the Vikings easily could have drafted Solder or Castonzo at #12 and no one would have questioned their choice, and then picked up Ponder in the second round. Leave McNabb in all year or put Webb in while letting Ponder sit on the bench. Then, assuming that they finished 2011 with the same record (because none of those players would have been an instant fix), this year they could have drafted Justin Blackmon or traded down and picked up one or two of the later first round receivers, and more OL help.
Under this scenario they don't get Kyle Rudolph, but I think you all agree that a deep threat is more valuable than a tight end on a team that has Adrian Peterson. Plus they got Ponder a year of experience, some experience on the OL, and someone to throw to.
I actually think Ponder, developed correctly, will be a pretty good NFL QB. But throwing him out there with no protection and no one to throw to isn't going to do it. Hopefully it's not too late, because even though I'm a Packers fan, I do want the Vikings to be competitive.
Very well said.

Viking fans need to remember Tavarus Jackson jump passes....
..........or McNabb throwing the football at the reciever's feet.

Favre was a spectacular one-year rental.

Starting over is not Pretty. I give Ponder a C+ so far.

He may get better. He may be benched. He should stay until there are viable options.

BTW.......Harvin is as good as gone and Webb needs to earn a spot. Changes ahead.
Harry

Los Angeles, CA

#23 Dec 5, 2012
40for60 wrote:
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I had the wrong year Harry.
It was the 2004 Wild Card game at Lambeau.
The Vikings, went 88 during the regular season. Furthermore, they had stumbled into the post-season losing 7 of their last 10 games, the worst performance in NFL history by a playoff team in a final 10-game span. Two of their losses, by identical 3431 scores, came in last-second games to the Packers.
But we went into Lambeau the underdog and put a whooping on the packers.
A Very Important Road Win if you ask me.
I'll give ya that one.

Since 2004, the Vikings are 22-34 on the road. In 2010 and 2011, they are 4-12 on the road.

Zigi has lots of money. He needs to toughen these guys up. They can go early to away sites and practice in rented college stadiums. Hotels. Shitty food. Strange hours.

They get paid a lot and gotta play 8 road games a year, 4 of them in sem-strange cities.

They gotta get the job done.

Re : Frazier? He's getting tough. I hope Harvin got the message by now as he packs up his locker.

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