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“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#1 Apr 14, 2011
I'll attempt to analyze these guys.(hopefully i hang in there)
2011 QB prospects passing effiecency (per attempt) Ranked by QB Rating:
Newton
66.1% cmp, 10.2 YPA, 9.3 att/td, 40 att/int, 12.1 Att/Sack, 182 QB Rating
Auburn SoS 1 (43.2 )
McElroy
70.9 Comp, 9.5 YPA, 10.4 att/td, 62.6 att/int, 10.4 Att/Sack, 169 QB Rating
Alabama SoS 6 (38.1 )
Dalton
66.1% Comp, 9.0 YPA, 11.7 att/td, 52.6 att/int, 39.5 Att/Sack, 166 QB Rating
TCU SoS 26 (32 )
Mallett
64.7Comp, 9.4 YPA, 12.8 att/td, 34.3 att/int, 16.4 Att/Sack, 164 QB Rating
Ark SoS 3 (39.8 )
Stanzi
64.1% cmp, 8.7 YPA, 13.6 att/td, 57.5-att/int, 18.1 Att/Sack, 157 qb rating
Iowa SoS 34 (30.8 )
Kaepernick
64.9 Comp, 8.4 YPA, 17.1 att/td, 41.1 att/int, 32.9 Att/Sack, 150 QB Rating
Nevada SoS 53 (27.1 )
Ponder
61.5% Cmp, 6.8 YPA, 15 TD/ATT, 37.4 att/int, 13 Att/Sack, 135 QB Rating
FSU SoS 13 (35.6 )
Gabbert
63.4% cmp, 6.7 YPA, 29.6 TD/att, 52.7-att/int, 20.6-Att/Sack, 127 rating
Mizzu SoS 39,(29.8 )
Locker
55.4% Comp, 6.8 YPA, 19.5 att/td, 36.9 att/int, 17.4 Att/Sack, 124 QB Rating
UW SoS 16 (35.1 )
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Next, I'd like to look at only the big games. I may need help with this part, since i am not a college FB aficionado.

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“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#3 Apr 14, 2011
My third installment:

List of other football considerations:
(consider "fail" to simply mean needs work/must be overcome)
1. Prostyle or spread/Gimmick (pass/fail)
2. Mechanics sig. repair or not (pass/Fail)
3. Prototype size (pass/Fail)
4. Significant body of work (pass/fail)
5. Arm strength/Body strength (pass/fail)
----------I leave this to you as i have no data----------
6. Enough Intelligence/wonderlick (pass/Fail)
7. Character concerns/Face of franchise (Pass/Fail)

Ricky Stanzi, Iowa
4-2, 66.7%, 8.8 YPA, 13.6 Att/TD, 50 Att/INT
1. P 2. P 3. P 4. P 5. eh, F
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Cam Newton, Auburn:
5-0, 65.6%, 8.6 YPA, 12.4 Att/TD, 49.5 Att/INT.
1.F 2. P 3. P 4. F 5. P
Andy Dalton, TCU
4-0, 64.8%, 9.5 YPA, 13.1 Att/TD, 52.5 Att/INT
1. F 2. P 3. eh, P 4. P 5. F
Greg McElroy, Alabama:
3-2, 68.7%, 8.4 YPA, 21.8 Att/TD, 43.7 Att/INT
1. F, 2. F 3. eh, P 4. P 5. F
Ryan Mallett, Ark
2-3, 59.6% cmp, 9.2 YPA, 15.6 att/TD, 26 att/INT
1. F 2. P 3. P 4. P 5. P
Christian Ponder, FSU
3-3, 59.9%, 6.8 YPA, 15.2 att/TD, 27.8 INT/Att
1. F 2. P 3. F 4. P 5. F
----------Bust-Line----------
Colin Kaepernick, Nevada
3-1, 57.5% cmp, 6.5 YPA, 30 att/td, 24 Att/INT
1. F 2. F 3. P 4. P 5. P
Jake Locker
2-4, 51%, 5.7 YPA, 39.3 Att/TD, 31.4 Att/Int
1. P 2. F 3. P 4. P 5. P
Blaine Gabbert
1-4, 59%, 6 YPA, 57 att/TD, 57 Att/INT
1. F 2. P 3. P 4. F 5. eh, F
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So, Stanzi makes the top 3 in QB results & happened to play under center in a pro-style offense. Only knock is the lad could spend some time in the weight room. For me, the choice is easy since he appears to also pass 6 & 7 with flying colors, at least to me. Everyone else had at least two fails or didn't achieve the results or both. Ponder is the interesting case as his 2009 results would put him above my suspect line. Not sure I'd like a 1st or second round pick on him with the arm injuries. See: Lions, Detroit.
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Please feel free to comment now.:p

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CAVike

Orange, CA

#4 Apr 14, 2011
Considerations:
consider "fail" to simply mean needs work/must be overcome)

Your pathetic waste of time on trying to convince your butt buddies to side with you over loser Stanzi - F

We are all looking forward to reading their post replies patting you on your mangina.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#5 Apr 14, 2011
Interesting how losers have nothing to contribute.
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Past notables:
Tom Brady - Michagan won national title in 1997, Brady took over in 1998.
1999-All Games:
62.8% comp, 7.6 YPA, 17 Att/TD, 56.8 Att/INT, 142.3 QBR
Peyton Manning-Tennessee:
1997 All:
60.4%, 8 YPA, 12.9 att/TD, 43.4 Att/ INT (junior year better)
Ryan Leaf-Washington State:
55.4%, 9.7 YPA, 12.1 att/TD, 37.3 Att/Int
Alex Smith-Utah:
67.5%, 9.3 YPA, 9.9 Att/TD, 79 Att/Int
Aaron Rodgers-Cal:
66.1%, 8.1 YPA, 13.2 att/TD, 39.5 Att/Int
Matt Ryan - BC
59.3% cmp, 6.9 YPA, 21.1 att/TD, 34.4 Att/Int
Ben roethlisberger - Miami of Ohio
69.1%, 9.1 YPA, 13.4 Att/TD, 49.5 Att/Int
Philip Rivers NC State
72.4%, 9.3 YPA, 14.2 Att/TD, 69 Att/Int
Eli Manning-Ole Miss
62.4% 8.2 YPA, 11.3 Att/TD, 44.1 Att/Int
Joe Flacco-Delaware
63.5%, 8.2 YPA, 22.7 Att/TD, 104 Att/Int

Couldn't find big game data for all, so i'm skipping it. Also, I made an error on Mallett's 3rd installment. He's 5 for 5 on my other considerations.(plays under center)

My Viking QB wish list is:
1.Stanzi 2. Mallett 3. Ponder

That way, losers unwilling to make a stand or contribute to a meaningful discussion can more easily criticize me.

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Since: Mar 07

Broomfield, CO

#6 Apr 14, 2011
Hey PF, Thanks for putting the stats out here. Nevermind CAVike, he obviously cannot explain this idiotic comments in more detail so who cares about what he spouts off. As I have mentioned in the past, I am concerned about most of the QBs in this draft but there are some that I feel the Vikes should look at. I think that Newton and Mallet will get into trouble, I worry that Gabbert is hype and that Locker is going to crumble under pressure as I watched Stanzi do many times ( I am an Iowa fan). If you hold my hand to the fire from all that I have seen on game tape and player interviews the guy that I would pick is Ponder, he is not a spread guy and can start day one under center in a west coast offense, he is a proven leader and we have zero reason to believe that he will be a trouble maker. Take it for what it is worth but the intangibles are VERY important with a rookie. Jamarcus Russel had great workouts and could throw the ball like nobody's business but where is he now?? I say drop back a few spots, get another pic and get Ponder late first round.

Travis

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CAVike

Orange, CA

#7 Apr 14, 2011
Theres one butt buddy to the rescue. Must have been waiting in the wings.
CAVike

Orange, CA

#8 Apr 14, 2011
Purple Faithful wrote:
Interesting how losers have nothing to contribute.
Agree, a third post full of useless "you blowing Stanzi" stats was not required.

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“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#9 Apr 14, 2011
TRPE, thanks for the comment.

Yeah, Ponder has potential. If you look at his 2009 non-injury numbers, he's pretty exciting to me. One thing to keep in mind is Ponder's (Dalton, too, FYI) 6'2". NFL Success really drops off at that height or lower. Rodgers is certainly an exception. & brees is 6'0", but, again, the exception does not make the rule. Stanzi's 2.1" height advantage is worth something. Anyway, would not hate ending up with Ponder (or Dalton) later, i just think the height - & injury in Ponder's case - makes them more of a second or third round prospect.(Dalton's my 4th choice)

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“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#10 Apr 14, 2011
omg, dude's judging his own posts & telling himself he's brilliant....

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“Lying scumbags need not apply”

Since: Jan 08

Yorktown, VA

#11 Apr 15, 2011
I'm am okay with any of the late round QBs. I think this is a weird year for QBs. For me none grade out as first rounders its just that too many teams have needs that will force picks way ahead of their potential. Gabbert, Newton, Locker, and Mallett are all suspect. Dalton, Stanzi,or Ponder taken in 2nd or 3rd round is where they belong. I'm good with any of the three just based on it won't be a stretch pick that is is wasted.

Just say no to a Vikings 1st round QB pick.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#12 Apr 15, 2011
I'll just stick with the 3 names I listed months ago,
Dalton,Ponder,Stanzi.
I think we can get any one of these guys round 2.
May need to move down a tad rd 1 and up a tad rd.2 to make it a certainty but I would prefer a slight gamble at getting one of these guys in rd 2 and bust a move instead to get a 3rd back.
Like moving down in the 1st for a 3rd and either staying put in rd 2 or maybe move up a bit by surrendering some lower picks to get the qb mentioned above.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#13 Apr 15, 2011
McElroy seems to be off every body's radar?
I haven't looked at him.Thoughts from the forum?
Kanfan

Wichita, KS

#14 Apr 15, 2011
Childress wrote:
I'll just stick with the 3 names I listed months ago,
Dalton,Ponder,Stanzi.
I think we can get any one of these guys round 2.
May need to move down a tad rd 1 and up a tad rd.2 to make it a certainty but I would prefer a slight gamble at getting one of these guys in rd 2 and bust a move instead to get a 3rd back.
Like moving down in the 1st for a 3rd and either staying put in rd 2 or maybe move up a bit by surrendering some lower picks to get the qb mentioned above.
I second your thoughts on moving back in the draft to regain 3rd rd. I'm just not convinced that any available QB is better than Webb. Let's just say the jury is still out. I would still invest a pick on QB...I happen to like Kaepernick...rd 2. Dalton and Ponder will be gone by the Vikings 2nd rd pick. Rd 1 pick HAS to be a starter from day 1.

Since: Mar 07

Broomfield, CO

#15 Apr 15, 2011
Ponder and Dalton will be gone by 43 and might sneak into the top 32! I would say trade back to 15-20 and then grab one, of course that is if there are no outstanding players available at 12. Everyone is talking DL or DE, our OL is WAY worse off than our DL! Yes DL needs to be address but I would take OL first because our QBs got killed last year..

Travis

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#16 Apr 15, 2011
Is anyone using the data or you just think the college stats lie? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story...
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Here's some of my thoughts on the data in regards to the guys getting mentioned.

Dalton: great stats/results. Played at TCU where the competion is maybe not as high as the SEC or Big Ten or ACC. Is only 6'2", which doesn't preclude success, but is the height of many a bust with great stats. So: short, weaker armed, worse stats & same competition as Alex Smith, formerly of Utah. Loads of starts more than Smith. Looked pretty good against Wisconsin running his spread, but i don't think Wisconsin plays many spreads. I'd consider him late second round, because of the few options. The weakness of this QB class is what makes us look so hard at him, i think.

Ponder: great 2009 stats, decent 2010 stats, not very good results. Played at FSU against a high level of competion. Measures 6' 2" had two throwing arm injuries & i think that's a big deal.

Kaepernick: played below acceptable for me against decent competition, roughly throwing a pick every 24 throws & a TD every 30. Cannon arm, suspect mechanics. A project.

McElroy: Great stats. I just absolutely hate the nervous feet jumping around thing & the jump passes he does. Measures at 6'2", but played at Alabama & won a national title with an SEC schedule. Broke his wrist, so didn't throw at the combine.

Stanzi: great stats like Dalton, big ten schedule, over 6'4", only Iowa QB to ever go 3-0 in bowl games. Not super arm strength, lost some games late in the year including to the golden gophers (his worst statistical game-amazing), which i thought was impossible. I wouldn't be surprised to see NE select him much earlier than people think. Similar stats & results to a certain 6'4" Michigan grad. Looking at the stats & film, I don't see how the 6'4" 234lb Gabbert goes before the 6'4" 235lb Stanzi as the arm strength seems equal & the stats are all Stanzi. Not saying it won't happen, just saying there are lots of fools.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#17 Apr 15, 2011
Oh, back to Dalton. I thought his best pass against Wisconsin was the throw down the seam where he threaded it in against the safety. Heck of a jump-pass. Maybe he can learn to jump higher when he throws in the NFL since lineman are taller after he learns how to do 3, 5, & 7 step drops. ;)
Kanfan

Wichita, KS

#18 Apr 15, 2011
Sporting news has the Vikings taking Stanzi in rd 4. I don't think he will last that long but I don't think he is rd 1 material. Stats aside, he can run a WC offense but isn't very accurate on longer throws....and appears to be inconsistent. His 2009 season was dismal (15 incpt) and, from what I read, while he palyed well in the Senior Bowl, his practices were BAD.
Kaepernick..6'5", 233 lbs, 40 time: 4.5, wonderlic: 37, Starts: 49, Comp%: 58 (65% Senior year) IF the Vikings want him, they will have to act in rd 1....which I doubt.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#19 Apr 15, 2011
Here's the list of QB's who have visited the Vikings facilities I've seen reported:

Newton
Dalton
Gabbert
Mallet
Weber
Ponder
Stanzi
Enderle

Couple interesting names there & a few interesting omissions. Certainly no one ever seen TJ coming & he never visited the Vikings. You seeing something similar then in the way Kaepernick seems to be flying under our radar?
Who Dey

Hillsboro, OH

#20 Apr 15, 2011
Amazing stuff. I have to keep reading it to grasp it. Wow. Good title. Crazy, man, crazy. ;-)

Hey Purple Faithful, don't know if you noticed but YOUR post #2 is missing.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#21 Apr 15, 2011
hi Who-Dey, thanks for the comment. Not sure I grasp it yet myself ;) My second post shows the stats for each individual "big" game for each player. So for every local pundits' vike prediction Jake Locker it shows:
Jake Locker
9/18 Nebraska L 56-21 4 20 71 20.0 45 1 2 46.32
10/2 @USC W 32-31 24 40 310 60.0 44 1 0 133.35
10/9 Arizona State L 24-14 23 38 209 60.5 22 1 1 110.15
10/23 @Arizona L 44-14 17 29 183 58.6 43 1 0 123.00
10/30 Stanford L 41-0 7 14 64 50.0 19 0 2 59.82
BOWL Nebraska W 19-7 5 16 56 31.3 26 0 0 60.65
2-4,
80/157, 893, 4td, 5 INT
51%, 5.7 YPA, 39.3 Att/TD, 31.4 Att/Int
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oh, Kanfan, i seen that sporting news round 4 pick, i actually scrolled through to 4 since they didn't have a qb at 1 or 2 for the purple. I'd agree with you Stanzi won't be there. I don't see him escaping the second with decent stats & prototype size. I wouldn't put much stock in the senior bowl or combine/proday workouts for players there's actual game tape on. Reams on Stanzi, of course, as there is for Kaepernick. I love what i think are Kaep's intangibles, i just don't think he can play at this time. I see project. So I'd much rather have Spicolli (mallet) than Kaep.
Amazing to me the Vikings could be considering Locker. His stats do compare with Favre's in college, but Favre's probably the only QB ever to be successful in the NFL after a college career with that kind of completion percentage. Basically, Locker also matches up with Leaf's college career numbers fairly well (Leaf's better by a ton on TD's/Picks, but sim. compl%).

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