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Since: Dec 06

United States

#41 Apr 1, 2012
great stuff
but
I'm building The Purple People Eaters with my draft.

Since: Dec 06

United States

#42 Apr 1, 2012
GBPmies wrote:
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I see why a lot of people don’t like the pick, Kalil isn’t the ”sexy choice” but I think it is the” right choice”. Maybe if the Vikings were a few play makers away from having a team that could make a deep playoff run instead of rebuilding for the long term maybe you go with CB or WR but since they are rebuilding and have no LT, I think you go LT. He is too good to pass up I think. Plus in this division a good LT is going to be needed. The Bears and Lions can really bring it and if the Pack can get their head out of their ass in the pass rush department they will be tough too… I hope.
If they cannot trade back then Kalil it is. Trading back and getting some extra picks and taking Poe is not a bad choice either. The Williams wall used to make everyone on that defense better. But I doubt they do that.
Check out Pro Football Talk,
scouts are laughing at Poe.

Since: Dec 06

United States

#43 Apr 1, 2012
Purple Faithful wrote:
So, for you guys to be right that O-line is an important piece when compared with anything else on the starting 22, the NFL needs to outlaw the forward pass. Counter-intuitive, i know, but look at the facts & the results & the trend of what has happened in the past 60-70 years of NFL rule changes. O-line has gotten less important, not more important, as the NFL tries to make the game more pass oriented.
And another thing.We can run the ball with the current line,just find a way to get an extra second or two while passing and it helps.Maybe the two TE set will help,maybe a pleasant surprise or two in the draft,any rd beyond 1 maybe even rd two.Maybe the squad improves all by themselves.In the end I'm with you,No to an early rd OL pick.
You should have been a lawyer,you can sure make an argument.You have charts with your case?

Since: Dec 06

United States

#44 Apr 1, 2012
Childress wrote:
<quoted text>Check out Pro Football Talk,
scouts are laughing at Poe.
I'll add this here,and I said it before.
Andy Reid of the Eagles gives little support for the combine,He believes what you do in games is where it's at,I agree for the most part.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#45 Apr 1, 2012
GBPmies wrote:
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No. I do not. Buckley was not even on the team.
He was picked #5 overall 1992 and I never liked his style or attitude. His stats were OK but he never lived up to the #5 pick and was a gambler and liability in secondary IMO.
Actually they traded him in 95 and then won the SB the following year even went back again the next year.
I did like the safeties Eugene Robinson and Leroy Butler in that Super Bowl though :)
Do you not think Chad Clifton was an important part of the Packers last SB.?
I also liked the job the two "other CBS" did that year, both were undrafted :)
yeah, Butler was good :) I don't recall Robinson. Sorry I was wrong on Buckley, guess the booze got me, trying to drown out another Packer win. As for Clifton, no. I think Rodgers learned to play QB & get rid of the ball quicker was the main improvement in offensive line play. Clifton is a fine tackle, but not anywhere near elite.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#46 Apr 1, 2012
Childress wrote:
<quoted text>I'll add this here,and I said it before.
Andy Reid of the Eagles gives little support for the combine,He believes what you do in games is where it's at,I agree for the most part.
yeah, you gotta only use the combine to put in perspective what you are looking at. Might tell you if a guy can be elite, but it doesn't tell you if the guy can play a lick.
Kanfan

Wichita, KS

#47 Apr 1, 2012
Purple Faithful wrote:
<quoted text>right. lots of holes. Ponder is currently not the answer. With Favre, a similar team went to the NFC Championship - a team with a healthier, younger Winfield, a healthier, younger Kwill. But yeah, lots of holes. Not all holes have to be filled with elites, though. Just QB play has to get a ton better & secondary play. You think Ponder needs a LT to become elite, I point out that does not make Henne or McCoy into elite QB's. They still suck. But you know I want to trade down. An extra pick can turn into an elite player, just the odds are long. lots of later picks improves your odds a bit. I think Kalil is still available at 6, if he's a potential elite LT.
If Rex Grossman or Trent Dilfer can play in the S.B., then I certainly like Ponder's chances as he is better than either. We can agree that at 3, any O/L-man is pretty high...BUT, if no trade is in the offering, then I say take Kalil rather than miss him completely. Claiborne being the only acceptable option, his 3 cone drill leaves questions. Still, his game tapes don't lie, he is a good CB...BUT, does he fit our system?

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#48 Apr 1, 2012
Kanfan wrote:
<quoted text>If Rex Grossman or Trent Dilfer can play in the S.B., then I certainly like Ponder's chances as he is better than either. We can agree that at 3, any O/L-man is pretty high...BUT, if no trade is in the offering, then I say take Kalil rather than miss him completely. Claiborne being the only acceptable option, his 3 cone drill leaves questions. Still, his game tapes don't lie, he is a good CB...BUT, does he fit our system?
Great players fit any system. Yeah, Claiborne can play zone just fine.
Kanfan

Wichita, KS

#49 Apr 2, 2012
Purple Faithful wrote:
<quoted text>Great players fit any system. Yeah, Claiborne can play zone just fine.
Please read todays (Monday) Viking Update. Their conclusion...take Kalil.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#50 Apr 2, 2012
Kanfan wrote:
<quoted text>Please read todays (Monday) Viking Update. Their conclusion...take Kalil.
oh, that's every parrot's opinion. The goal isn't probowls, the goal is to win the game. Don't immediately buy into that argument. a terrible LT gives up 7 sacks, a great one gives up 1. You're allowed to do so many things & the Vikes plan on playing two-TE sets. If the TE chips every release at minimum, a terrible LT won't even give up 5 sacks.
Kanfan

Wichita, KS

#51 Apr 3, 2012
Purple Faithful wrote:
<quoted text>oh, that's every parrot's opinion. The goal isn't probowls, the goal is to win the game. Don't immediately buy into that argument. a terrible LT gives up 7 sacks, a great one gives up 1. You're allowed to do so many things & the Vikes plan on playing two-TE sets. If the TE chips every release at minimum, a terrible LT won't even give up 5 sacks.
Pro-bowls are just an indicator whether a guy can play his position. The goal this year is to make the team better. How we do that is the question, trade or pick at 3. If we stay at 3, given the latest info on Claiborne, which leads to question if he would be an immediate up-grade or need to watch to learn, the safe pick is Kalil.
Harry

Park River, ND

#52 Apr 3, 2012
Kanfan wrote:
<quoted text>Pro-bowls are just an indicator whether a guy can play his position. The goal this year is to make the team better. How we do that is the question, trade or pick at 3. If we stay at 3, given the latest info on Claiborne, which leads to question if he would be an immediate up-grade or need to watch to learn, the safe pick is Kalil.
Little Dick Spielman is not clever enough to release convincing propaganda OR spin a trade that'll work.

If he knows his limitations it'll be Kalil.

As for the rest of the draft, I'll consider it a miracle if we get one starter.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#53 Apr 3, 2012
Kanfan wrote:
<quoted text>Pro-bowls are just an indicator whether a guy can play his position. The goal this year is to make the team better. How we do that is the question, trade or pick at 3. If we stay at 3, given the latest info on Claiborne, which leads to question if he would be an immediate up-grade or need to watch to learn, the safe pick is Kalil.
Deon Sanders scored a 7. Dan marino a 13. He's not a QB, he's a CB. CB's job is to run fast, bat the ball away from the guy you're supposed to run fast next to. catch it if you can.

But yeah, pro bowls show a guy can play a position, not that a team can win. It was the big joke on some viking teams how many pro bowl players we had while other teams were winning when i was growing up. I just want to get a great team again & get one super bowl. just one & i can die happy.:)
Kanfan

Wichita, KS

#54 Apr 4, 2012
Purple Faithful wrote:
<quoted text>Deon Sanders scored a 7. Dan marino a 13. He's not a QB, he's a CB. CB's job is to run fast, bat the ball away from the guy you're supposed to run fast next to. catch it if you can.
But yeah, pro bowls show a guy can play a position, not that a team can win. It was the big joke on some viking teams how many pro bowl players we had while other teams were winning when i was growing up. I just want to get a great team again & get one super bowl. just one & i can die happy.:)
I can identify with the desire to win a SB but my main desire is to not be the doormat for the division. Any team, with skill, the right calls and a few lucky bounces, can win 1 game...it takes a good team to win 10-12 games every season. As I said, Claiborne can still be good, he may need a year learning the system behind Winfield. That aint all bad. However, if we trade back, our trading partner would be Miami, both Kalil and Claiborne will be gone. Looking at available talent left, there are fewer LTs as compared to CBs. You are then forced to take Reiff or Martin, both inferior to Kalil. Miami had better come up with a VERY good offer.

Since: Dec 06

United States

#55 Apr 4, 2012
Harry wrote:
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Little Dick Spielman is not clever enough to release convincing propaganda OR spin a trade that'll work.
If he knows his limitations it'll be Kalil.
As for the rest of the draft, I'll consider it a miracle if we get one starter.
He should trade back for picks.The top DE,DT,ILB all of which are big needs will be on the board.LT can be had next draft.Offense won't be doing much with Peterson's status up in the air,plus no deep threat.No need in up grading the OL at this time.Not early anyway.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#56 Apr 4, 2012
Childress wrote:
<quoted text>He should trade back for picks.The top DE,DT,ILB all of which are big needs will be on the board.LT can be had next draft.Offense won't be doing much with Peterson's status up in the air,plus no deep threat.No need in up grading the OL at this time.Not early anyway.
exactly. And defense wins games! It keeps games closer for a young QB to pull of the win.

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