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“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#21 Mar 30, 2012
Kanfan wrote:
<quoted text>A case can be made for or against any draft pick. Jones vs Ferrior? Let the facts speak. Jones...9 pro-bowls, Farrior..2 pro-bowls. Not really comparing apples to apples there. A LT is more important than a LB, IMO. I just think, looking at all the head-cases, fat-asses and warning flags surrounding players, Kalil is the safest pick. BPA in an area of need is my only criteria. And if we trade down, my criteria does not change. Over-all, we do think alike, except I value LTs a little more than you.
well, you don't like the facts of low success. Let's try another way, then.

OK, vikes play in the NFC north. 6 games nest year against detroit, chicago, & green bay. We will be 0-fer in those games without some immprovement & until we can win, likely, 4 of those games, vikes are home for the post season, right?

So, Kalil does not block clay mathews, as a 3-4 guy can blitz from whereever, so he does not help with GB.
Kalil does not block the detroit DT's, the strength of that line. Little real help there, but some.
Kalil won't block Peppers unless Peppers feels like it. He goes against whoever he feels sucks the worst. So, if Kalil is blocking Peppers, Peppers is saying he's a bust, lol.

Now Claiborne. Green Bay - little help, but much more than Kalil. He can take away one of many receiving targets.
Detroit: Mo takes away Calvin Johnson - for real instead of like cook almost did, lol.
Chicago: they just aquired Brandon Marshall & a shut down corner would stop his threat.

So, if neither of the two busted, Claiborne can get us to the post season. In the Post season, we're likely to play GB & SF, both 3-4 teams where they decide to line up Aldon Smith or Clay Mathews, so again, no Kalil help. Giants have Justin Tuck as the massive threat, Washington & dallas are 3-4's, if they come from the east. New Orleans - Claiborne can only take away one, but Kalil still really doesn't take away a premium pass rusher. Atlanta - there kalil would get to block somoeone, but Claiborne would also get to take away a huge threat. If it's Tampa down there, they have the #1 wr's to take away, & run a 4-3 as well, but not sure they have any big-deal DE's to be worried about. Young DT's, sure.

Anyway, that's how I see it & one of the reasons i feel the stats show elite LT's are not required at all to win. Because teams are not required to put their best guy there & really, if Loadholdt's block lasts 2.5 seconds & Kalil's lasts 5 seconds, Ponder still only gets 2.5 seconds to throw.

you know what I mean? to get your money's worth on an all-pro LT, you gotta have at least 2 more all-pro's on the line. 3 solo blocks, one double team & then the QB has the max elite pass block time w/ no blitz. So, let some young LT develop with the rest of them & take a premium position like you should in the top 5.
Kanfan

Wichita, KS

#22 Mar 30, 2012
Purple Faithful wrote:
<quoted text>well, you don't like the facts of low success. Let's try another way, then.
OK, vikes play in the NFC north. 6 games nest year against detroit, chicago, & green bay. We will be 0-fer in those games without some immprovement & until we can win, likely, 4 of those games, vikes are home for the post season, right?
So, Kalil does not block clay mathews, as a 3-4 guy can blitz from whereever, so he does not help with GB.
Kalil does not block the detroit DT's, the strength of that line. Little real help there, but some.
Kalil won't block Peppers unless Peppers feels like it. He goes against whoever he feels sucks the worst. So, if Kalil is blocking Peppers, Peppers is saying he's a bust, lol.
Now Claiborne. Green Bay - little help, but much more than Kalil. He can take away one of many receiving targets.
Detroit: Mo takes away Calvin Johnson - for real instead of like cook almost did, lol.
Chicago: they just aquired Brandon Marshall & a shut down corner would stop his threat.
So, if neither of the two busted, Claiborne can get us to the post season. In the Post season, we're likely to play GB & SF, both 3-4 teams where they decide to line up Aldon Smith or Clay Mathews, so again, no Kalil help. Giants have Justin Tuck as the massive threat, Washington & dallas are 3-4's, if they come from the east. New Orleans - Claiborne can only take away one, but Kalil still really doesn't take away a premium pass rusher. Atlanta - there kalil would get to block somoeone, but Claiborne would also get to take away a huge threat. If it's Tampa down there, they have the #1 wr's to take away, & run a 4-3 as well, but not sure they have any big-deal DE's to be worried about. Young DT's, sure.
Anyway, that's how I see it & one of the reasons i feel the stats show elite LT's are not required at all to win. Because teams are not required to put their best guy there & really, if Loadholdt's block lasts 2.5 seconds & Kalil's lasts 5 seconds, Ponder still only gets 2.5 seconds to throw.
you know what I mean? to get your money's worth on an all-pro LT, you gotta have at least 2 more all-pro's on the line. 3 solo blocks, one double team & then the QB has the max elite pass block time w/ no blitz. So, let some young LT develop with the rest of them & take a premium position like you should in the top 5.
What do you mean, Kalil = no help? Simply by defeating his man allows the TE to move to the other side, that's help. Or allows the FB a chance to pick up a blitzer...that's help. Filling our roster with DBs or DLs will not get us more wins, no more than filling our roster with QBs will. We need "players" at every position. We can do that by drafting the BPA at an area of need. This draft is full of DBs and CBs, some of which are faster, bigger and quicker than Claiborne. Not so with O/L Kalil.
GBPmies

Finland

#23 Mar 30, 2012
This might be helpful for your discussion which is fun to read by the way.

What do All-Pro teams tell us about NFL Draft?
http://nfl.si.com/2012/03/30/what-do-all-pro-...
Harry

Cavalier, ND

#24 Mar 30, 2012
Purple Faithful wrote:
<quoted text>well, you don't like the facts of low success. Let's try another way, then.
OK, vikes play in the NFC north. 6 games nest year against detroit, chicago, & green bay. We will be 0-fer in those games without some immprovement & until we can win, likely, 4 of those games, vikes are home for the post season, right?
So, Kalil does not block clay mathews, as a 3-4 guy can blitz from whereever, so he does not help with GB.
Kalil does not block the detroit DT's, the strength of that line. Little real help there, but some.
Kalil won't block Peppers unless Peppers feels like it. He goes against whoever he feels sucks the worst. So, if Kalil is blocking Peppers, Peppers is saying he's a bust, lol.
Now Claiborne. Green Bay - little help, but much more than Kalil. He can take away one of many receiving targets.
Detroit: Mo takes away Calvin Johnson - for real instead of like cook almost did, lol.
Chicago: they just aquired Brandon Marshall & a shut down corner would stop his threat.
So, if neither of the two busted, Claiborne can get us to the post season. In the Post season, we're likely to play GB & SF, both 3-4 teams where they decide to line up Aldon Smith or Clay Mathews, so again, no Kalil help. Giants have Justin Tuck as the massive threat, Washington & dallas are 3-4's, if they come from the east. New Orleans - Claiborne can only take away one, but Kalil still really doesn't take away a premium pass rusher. Atlanta - there kalil would get to block somoeone, but Claiborne would also get to take away a huge threat. If it's Tampa down there, they have the #1 wr's to take away, & run a 4-3 as well, but not sure they have any big-deal DE's to be worried about. Young DT's, sure.
Anyway, that's how I see it & one of the reasons i feel the stats show elite LT's are not required at all to win. Because teams are not required to put their best guy there & really, if Loadholdt's block lasts 2.5 seconds & Kalil's lasts 5 seconds, Ponder still only gets 2.5 seconds to throw.
you know what I mean? to get your money's worth on an all-pro LT, you gotta have at least 2 more all-pro's on the line. 3 solo blocks, one double team & then the QB has the max elite pass block time w/ no blitz. So, let some young LT develop with the rest of them & take a premium position like you should in the top 5.
McKinney stood there, cheeseburger-drunk, like his shoes were tied together. McKinney. ProBowler. Blah Blah Blah. That is what we are used to.

New blood. Kalil. Build around him. I really see hardly anybody on this team,currently, that rates above backup. Gotta start somewhere. And I hope they don't get cute trying to trade up or down.

I like Frazier. But after McNabb......well, Frazier better be watching ESPN NFL and not listening to the little voice inside.
Kanfan

Wichita, KS

#25 Mar 30, 2012
GBPmies wrote:
This might be helpful for your discussion which is fun to read by the way.
What do All-Pro teams tell us about NFL Draft?
http://nfl.si.com/2012/03/30/what-do-all-pro-...
It was a good read, fer sure. It is impossible to fill a roster with all-pros, just too many positions. What we need is a roster filled with guys that play as a team, not free-lancing as Griffin did. Get out of position and you mess up the whole scheme.
The point of this whole exercise was to prove or disprove in what round you take O/L-men. So you take a RB instead...he runs into a 315 DT who isn't blocked, loses yards. Because that RB doesn't hit 1000 yds/season, he isn't all-pro. On another team with good blocking, that same RB may be all-world.
What IS missing is the FACT that Kalil improves not just 1 position but the whole O/L because it allows other players to fill their more natural positions and frees up TEs who would have to stay in to block....creating more targets for Ponder. When you throw in the plethora of CBs in this draft as compared to O/Ts, it's a no-brainer.
GBPmies

Finland

#26 Mar 31, 2012
Kanfan wrote:
<quoted text>It was a good read, fer sure. It is impossible to fill a roster with all-pros, just too many positions. What we need is a roster filled with guys that play as a team, not free-lancing as Griffin did. Get out of position and you mess up the whole scheme.
The point of this whole exercise was to prove or disprove in what round you take O/L-men. So you take a RB instead...he runs into a 315 DT who isn't blocked, loses yards. Because that RB doesn't hit 1000 yds/season, he isn't all-pro. On another team with good blocking, that same RB may be all-world.
What IS missing is the FACT that Kalil improves not just 1 position but the whole O/L because it allows other players to fill their more natural positions and frees up TEs who would have to stay in to block....creating more targets for Ponder. When you throw in the plethora of CBs in this draft as compared to O/Ts, it's a no-brainer.
I see why a lot of people don’t like the pick, Kalil isn’t the ”sexy choice” but I think it is the” right choice”. Maybe if the Vikings were a few play makers away from having a team that could make a deep playoff run instead of rebuilding for the long term maybe you go with CB or WR but since they are rebuilding and have no LT, I think you go LT. He is too good to pass up I think. Plus in this division a good LT is going to be needed. The Bears and Lions can really bring it and if the Pack can get their head out of their ass in the pass rush department they will be tough too… I hope.

If they cannot trade back then Kalil it is. Trading back and getting some extra picks and taking Poe is not a bad choice either. The Williams wall used to make everyone on that defense better. But I doubt they do that.
Kanfan

Wichita, KS

#27 Mar 31, 2012
GBPmies wrote:
<quoted text>
I see why a lot of people don’t like the pick, Kalil isn’t the ”sexy choice” but I think it is the” right choice”. Maybe if the Vikings were a few play makers away from having a team that could make a deep playoff run instead of rebuilding for the long term maybe you go with CB or WR but since they are rebuilding and have no LT, I think you go LT. He is too good to pass up I think. Plus in this division a good LT is going to be needed. The Bears and Lions can really bring it and if the Pack can get their head out of their ass in the pass rush department they will be tough too… I hope.
If they cannot trade back then Kalil it is. Trading back and getting some extra picks and taking Poe is not a bad choice either. The Williams wall used to make everyone on that defense better. But I doubt they do that.
Yeah, most everyone agrees we need to address the O/L, except 1 nut who thinks Blackmon is T.O. I guess the question remaining is where we need to address LT, at 3 or trade down. I'd like to wait and see what the offer is to trade before deciding, which is what Spielman is doing. Someone on this forum suggested that all offers must be made BEFORE draft day....Good Idea.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#28 Mar 31, 2012
Kanfan wrote:
<quoted text>What do you mean, Kalil = no help? Simply by defeating his man allows the TE to move to the other side, that's help. Or allows the FB a chance to pick up a blitzer...that's help. Filling our roster with DBs or DLs will not get us more wins, no more than filling our roster with QBs will. We need "players" at every position. We can do that by drafting the BPA at an area of need. This draft is full of DBs and CBs, some of which are faster, bigger and quicker than Claiborne. Not so with O/L Kalil.
So, it didn't work for the NYG to fill their roster with QB, DL & DB's drafted high? I thought that's how they won two super bowls. You seem to ignore what works & wish to speak in broad terms instead of focusing on what works. Particularly, in the NFC North, Kalil will offer little help on winning any games. You don't need an elite left tackle to allow zero sacks in the NFC North, especially if you're not having to face Jared Allen. How many sacks did Clifton give up, for instance? Left tackle does not correlate with winning even a little bit. We need a player at every position instead of, say, a cheerleader, maybe, but the NY Giants are not made up of a good player everywhere. Matter fact, they have zero high quality offensive linemen. They have an elite QB, two elite D/L, & one high quality DB, imo. How do you see it? It's not like that's an uncommon formula, either. Heck, it's the pack's formula. Favre, White, Buckley or Rodgers, Clay, Woodson. Neither of those pack teams had great o-lines. It's hard to say what team that wins had a great offensive line with high draft choices. You can say Dallas had an elite line, but they had 2 UDFA's (one at LT), a rd 10 pick, & two more low picks. forget the rd on last two - i think a 2 & 4.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#29 Mar 31, 2012
GBPmies wrote:
<quoted text>
I see why a lot of people don’t like the pick, Kalil isn’t the ”sexy choice” but I think it is the” right choice”. Maybe if the Vikings were a few play makers away from having a team that could make a deep playoff run instead of rebuilding for the long term maybe you go with CB or WR but since they are rebuilding and have no LT, I think you go LT. He is too good to pass up I think. Plus in this division a good LT is going to be needed. The Bears and Lions can really bring it and if the Pack can get their head out of their ass in the pass rush department they will be tough too… I hope.
If they cannot trade back then Kalil it is. Trading back and getting some extra picks and taking Poe is not a bad choice either. The Williams wall used to make everyone on that defense better. But I doubt they do that.
So, Favre, Reggie White, & terrell Buckley was the wrong way to go? Rodgers, Clay Mathews & Charles Woodson was a terrible mistake? Instead, the right way to go would be an elite LT? So, the selection of Tony Mandarich is the right thing to do? I doubt there's a pack fan alive who says "wow, with Jared Allen & Kalil, we might have issues. How do we stop Kalil from beating us?"

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#30 Mar 31, 2012
Harry wrote:
<quoted text>
McKinney stood there, cheeseburger-drunk, like his shoes were tied together. McKinney. ProBowler. Blah Blah Blah. That is what we are used to.
New blood. Kalil. Build around him. I really see hardly anybody on this team,currently, that rates above backup. Gotta start somewhere. And I hope they don't get cute trying to trade up or down.
I like Frazier. But after McNabb......well, Frazier better be watching ESPN NFL and not listening to the little voice inside.
Did the Raiders win after taking a punter & a kicker in round 1?(Guy & Janikowski). What about Robert Galley. They started building somewhere.

Maybe doing something smart is a better way to start building? Smart money says 3 for 32 is not the way to bet, particularly if you agree finding an udfa hof QB who takes you from 4 wins to sb champ in one year is maybe the bigger factor on one of them. What you propose does not work & has never worked better than throwing a dart at the list of 1st round draft choices. In the top 5, you got a chance to do something with a huge impact. LT is reactive, not impactful.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#31 Mar 31, 2012
On a pass play, we decide where the action takes place along the line; OC calls for "3-hole", for instance. On a pass, the defense decides where the action takes place; DC decides where their best pass rusher lines up, where the stunt happens, where the blitz comes from.

If what you guys claim was true, Miami would not have given up 1 more sack than us. Don't try & claim Miami's guards are worse than ours, either. Berger was cut by them & he is a starter for us.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#32 Mar 31, 2012
So, for you guys to be right that O-line is an important piece when compared with anything else on the starting 22, the NFL needs to outlaw the forward pass. Counter-intuitive, i know, but look at the facts & the results & the trend of what has happened in the past 60-70 years of NFL rule changes. O-line has gotten less important, not more important, as the NFL tries to make the game more pass oriented.
GBPmies

Finland

#33 Mar 31, 2012
Purple Faithful wrote:
<quoted text>So, Favre, Reggie White, & terrell Buckley was the wrong way to go? Rodgers, Clay Mathews & Charles Woodson was a terrible mistake? Instead, the right way to go would be an elite LT? So, the selection of Tony Mandarich is the right thing to do? I doubt there's a pack fan alive who says "wow, with Jared Allen & Kalil, we might have issues. How do we stop Kalil from beating us?"
I think you got a bit worked up there. I was not try to strike a nerve. I didn’t say anything would be "a terrible mistake" or "wrong" so please don’t put words into my mouth, I have plenty of my own. I simply gave my opinion on who I think the right choice is.
Manderich? He was on Roids and Yes a huge bust but nobody saw that coming! Buckley? LMFAO he does not deserve to be mentioned with those other names. I can give way more DB and WR 1st round busts so don’t even start with that. I thought the Vikes were going to center their offense around AD and run ball maybe if they want to become a pass happy team like the Pack then maybe go WR but it doesn’t fit the Vikes plans so far.
If you want to talk about the Packers Super Bowl players put Clifton on that list. What he did vs Harrison in the Super Bowl was huge. He shut him down big time.
***All in all the best thing would be to trade down if possible and find better value for the pick but if not I think Kalil is the way to go if they are "REBUILDING"
Kanfan

Wichita, KS

#34 Mar 31, 2012
Purple Faithful wrote:
So, for you guys to be right that O-line is an important piece when compared with anything else on the starting 22, the NFL needs to outlaw the forward pass. Counter-intuitive, i know, but look at the facts & the results & the trend of what has happened in the past 60-70 years of NFL rule changes. O-line has gotten less important, not more important, as the NFL tries to make the game more pass oriented.
In doing my research, I Googled Which is football position is the most important.#8 FB; 7 TE; 6 S; 5 RB; 4 WR; 3 LB; 2 O/L; #1 D/L. There is also a Bleacher Report stating the O/L must give the QB about 4.5 seconds to be successful, there-fore, the O/L is the most important. Both Trent Dilfer and Rex Grossman played in SBs, doubt you'd call them "elete" QBs....but QBs were not part of the equation as everyone already considers the QB the most important.
What I think you are missing is that our O/L needs repair, and while #3 might be high for an O/L-man, most "gurus" consider Kalil the best non-QB player in the draft. There-fore, he qualifies as BPA, regardless of position. Being an area of need makes this the no brainer. That said, and speaking for my-self, I would definately consider all offers to trade down.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#35 Mar 31, 2012
GBPmies wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you got a bit worked up there. I was not try to strike a nerve. I didn’t say anything would be "a terrible mistake" or "wrong" so please don’t put words into my mouth, I have plenty of my own. I simply gave my opinion on who I think the right choice is.
Manderich? He was on Roids and Yes a huge bust but nobody saw that coming! Buckley? LMFAO he does not deserve to be mentioned with those other names. I can give way more DB and WR 1st round busts so don’t even start with that. I thought the Vikes were going to center their offense around AD and run ball maybe if they want to become a pass happy team like the Pack then maybe go WR but it doesn’t fit the Vikes plans so far.
If you want to talk about the Packers Super Bowl players put Clifton on that list. What he did vs Harrison in the Super Bowl was huge. He shut him down big time.
***All in all the best thing would be to trade down if possible and find better value for the pick but if not I think Kalil is the way to go if they are "REBUILDING"
oh, I'm sorry if I came across worked up or upset with you in any way. Not at all the case. It's just when I was younger, I might go to the packers forum & tell them wow, sure hope you don't take an offensive lineman or running back in round 1.(Chicago was usually game on taking RB's when i wished real hard)

McGinest, Law, Brady - 3 SB wins, zero wins after McGinest & Law left & they took o-line, added Moss, etc. Just one thing is tried & true. One elite QB, one elite pass rusher & one elite DB. You can get by without the QB but you need a ton more defense. You can get by without the elite DB, but you probably have to then add a second freak on the d-line.(tuck & osi)

When Clay Mathews had an off year & Woodson started to show more age, did the packers win with a more dominant Clifton? Look, I think people get confused. I'm not saying you WANT a bum at left tackle, I'm saying you can survive it much easier than not having a dominant piece or two on the d-line (OLB's in your 3-4) & secondary. So, you take a chance & use later, non-top 5 picks on offensive line & hope they develop into an elite. But you use a top 5 pick where you are virtually required to have an elite.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#36 Mar 31, 2012
Kanfan wrote:
<quoted text>
In doing my research, I Googled Which is football position is the most important.#8 FB; 7 TE; 6 S; 5 RB; 4 WR; 3 LB; 2 O/L; #1 D/L. There is also a Bleacher Report stating the O/L must give the QB about 4.5 seconds to be successful, there-fore, the O/L is the most important. Both Trent Dilfer and Rex Grossman played in SBs, doubt you'd call them "elete" QBs....but QBs were not part of the equation as everyone already considers the QB the most important.
What I think you are missing is that our O/L needs repair, and while #3 might be high for an O/L-man, most "gurus" consider Kalil the best non-QB player in the draft. There-fore, he qualifies as BPA, regardless of position. Being an area of need makes this the no brainer. That said, and speaking for my-self, I would definately consider all offers to trade down.
Well, again, Vikes need lots of stuff. So we agree there. But -the way I see it - we must have an elite QB, DE or DT, & CB or S to win the SB, minimum. You can win with a Dilfer (pick 6, though), if you have the 2000 Ravens defense. Bears lost the SB, but they had a freak defense & a freak special teams player to make up for grossman. We're not a player or two away from the bears 13-3 defense or the Ravens 2000 defense & we don't get closer by taking Kalil. We can win with a Ross at CB, but then you need an extra pass rusher, it seems.

I'm now just speaking in generalities, though. The stats seem to me to correlate with what I am saying.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#37 Mar 31, 2012
GBPmies, i missed part of your thoughts till now. You don't think Buckley was an important part of that packers SB? I'm not a big follower of the pack, but that surprised me. I think he had 6 picks, for 164 yards, two ff & a FR in your super bowl year. As a Viking fan, I'd be happier if our entire secondary could have had 6 picks last year.:)
Kanfan

Wichita, KS

#38 Mar 31, 2012
Purple Faithful wrote:
<quoted text>Well, again, Vikes need lots of stuff. So we agree there. But -the way I see it - we must have an elite QB, DE or DT, & CB or S to win the SB, minimum. You can win with a Dilfer (pick 6, though), if you have the 2000 Ravens defense. Bears lost the SB, but they had a freak defense & a freak special teams player to make up for grossman. We're not a player or two away from the bears 13-3 defense or the Ravens 2000 defense & we don't get closer by taking Kalil. We can win with a Ross at CB, but then you need an extra pass rusher, it seems.
I'm now just speaking in generalities, though. The stats seem to me to correlate with what I am saying.
I really do understand your concerns about picking an O/L-man at #3. It would be an un-usual choice. Not a bad choice, just un-usual. One would think, by reading some of your posts, that 1 CB or D/L will get us a SB trip. We both know that is far, far from happening. I'm just not sold on Claiborne at 3, certainly not on Blackmon at 3 either. Give me a choice between Claiborne and a trade down, I trade down.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#39 Apr 1, 2012
Kanfan wrote:
<quoted text>I really do understand your concerns about picking an O/L-man at #3. It would be an un-usual choice. Not a bad choice, just un-usual. One would think, by reading some of your posts, that 1 CB or D/L will get us a SB trip. We both know that is far, far from happening. I'm just not sold on Claiborne at 3, certainly not on Blackmon at 3 either. Give me a choice between Claiborne and a trade down, I trade down.
right. lots of holes. Ponder is currently not the answer. With Favre, a similar team went to the NFC Championship - a team with a healthier, younger Winfield, a healthier, younger Kwill. But yeah, lots of holes. Not all holes have to be filled with elites, though. Just QB play has to get a ton better & secondary play. You think Ponder needs a LT to become elite, I point out that does not make Henne or McCoy into elite QB's. They still suck. But you know I want to trade down. An extra pick can turn into an elite player, just the odds are long. lots of later picks improves your odds a bit. I think Kalil is still available at 6, if he's a potential elite LT.
GBPmies

Finland

#40 Apr 1, 2012
Purple Faithful wrote:
GBPmies, i missed part of your thoughts till now. You don't think Buckley was an important part of that packers SB? I'm not a big follower of the pack, but that surprised me. I think he had 6 picks, for 164 yards, two ff & a FR in your super bowl year. As a Viking fan, I'd be happier if our entire secondary could have had 6 picks last year.:)
No. I do not. Buckley was not even on the team.

He was picked #5 overall 1992 and I never liked his style or attitude. His stats were OK but he never lived up to the #5 pick and was a gambler and liability in secondary IMO.

Actually they traded him in 95 and then won the SB the following year even went back again the next year.
I did like the safeties Eugene Robinson and Leroy Butler in that Super Bowl though :)

Do you not think Chad Clifton was an important part of the Packers last SB.?
I also liked the job the two "other CBS" did that year, both were undrafted :)

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