Good draft analysis of Ravaging Rick ...

Good draft analysis of Ravaging Rick Spielman

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Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#1 Nov 1, 2013
viking nation

Madera, CA

#2 Nov 2, 2013
2011 draft did give the Vikes Kyle Rudolph Not all 7 picks of the draft is going to be a good pick This is why its held every year. A team is lucky if they get a player or two out of the 7 picks. I think this last draft was pretty good Patterson is a good pick The thing is he isn't being used in the passing game . Floyd is a solid player but isn't being used as much as Guion on the defense. Guion really never showed much, so why not give Floyd more playing time. We can't blame Spielman for who Frazier is putting on the field or the bad play calling. Ponder has been with the Vikes for three years & Frazier still has a vanilla playbook, Once more Spielman has nothing to do with that. We can't blame how each player is being used or a bad game plan on Spielman. We was told Fraziers was this great defensive coach & really I havn't seen any proof of it The Vikes secondary has been bad from day one that Frazier has taken over. I myself don't think Frazier should have lasted as a defensive coach with his years of a bad secondary & he never should have been made head coach. Frazier hand picked this staff of coaches that has a vanilla offense & defense not Spielman. I ask is it Spielman that can't change the game plan in mid game. During the 10-6 season how many times did we see how Fraziers wouldn't adjust his game plan & ended up losing them games because of it. The Vikings would have had a better record then the 10-6 & maybe even won the division if he had. Frazier is the only one to blame for the way this team has fell apart the way it has

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#3 Nov 2, 2013
viking nation wrote:
2011 draft did give the Vikes Kyle Rudolph Not all 7 picks of the draft is going to be a good pick This is why its held every year. A team is lucky if they get a player or two out of the 7 picks. I think this last draft was pretty good Patterson is a good pick The thing is he isn't being used in the passing game . Floyd is a solid player but isn't being used as much as Guion on the defense. Guion really never showed much, so why not give Floyd more playing time. We can't blame Spielman for who Frazier is putting on the field or the bad play calling. Ponder has been with the Vikes for three years & Frazier still has a vanilla playbook, Once more Spielman has nothing to do with that. We can't blame how each player is being used or a bad game plan on Spielman. We was told Fraziers was this great defensive coach & really I havn't seen any proof of it The Vikes secondary has been bad from day one that Frazier has taken over. I myself don't think Frazier should have lasted as a defensive coach with his years of a bad secondary & he never should have been made head coach. Frazier hand picked this staff of coaches that has a vanilla offense & defense not Spielman. I ask is it Spielman that can't change the game plan in mid game. During the 10-6 season how many times did we see how Fraziers wouldn't adjust his game plan & ended up losing them games because of it. The Vikings would have had a better record then the 10-6 & maybe even won the division if he had. Frazier is the only one to blame for the way this team has fell apart the way it has
The playbook never changes with Ponder because he can't do nothing. You're still defending him him haven't you seen enough of the never improving Ponder?We need to clean house vikings should have gotten anything for Allen we'er not going to resign him.

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#4 Nov 2, 2013
Purple Faithful wrote:
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2 013/10/22/4907380/is-the-force -truly-strong-with-rick-spielm an
According to the poll, its basically 50/50.

I'm thinking good-bye!

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#5 Nov 2, 2013
viking nation wrote:
2011 draft did give the Vikes Kyle Rudolph Not all 7 picks of the draft is going to be a good pick This is why its held every year. A team is lucky if they get a player or two out of the 7 picks. I think this last draft was pretty good Patterson is a good pick The thing is he isn't being used in the passing game . Floyd is a solid player but isn't being used as much as Guion on the defense. Guion really never showed much, so why not give Floyd more playing time. We can't blame Spielman for who Frazier is putting on the field or the bad play calling. Ponder has been with the Vikes for three years & Frazier still has a vanilla playbook, Once more Spielman has nothing to do with that. We can't blame how each player is being used or a bad game plan on Spielman. We was told Fraziers was this great defensive coach & really I havn't seen any proof of it The Vikes secondary has been bad from day one that Frazier has taken over. I myself don't think Frazier should have lasted as a defensive coach with his years of a bad secondary & he never should have been made head coach. Frazier hand picked this staff of coaches that has a vanilla offense & defense not Spielman. I ask is it Spielman that can't change the game plan in mid game. During the 10-6 season how many times did we see how Fraziers wouldn't adjust his game plan & ended up losing them games because of it. The Vikings would have had a better record then the 10-6 & maybe even won the division if he had. Frazier is the only one to blame for the way this team has fell apart the way it has
OK, I'm going to do something I'll probably later regret. But I've got to give you Kudos on your comment. You've made a good argument on this one. I still think the team would be better off without Speilmen, but you do have a valid argument. Personally I would like to see a total house cleaning.

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#6 Nov 2, 2013
Avant wrote:
<quoted text>The playbook never changes with Ponder because he can't do nothing. You're still defending him him haven't you seen enough of the never improving Ponder?We need to clean house vikings should have gotten anything for Allen we'er not going to resign him.
FAKE Vikings fan - do you have a blog or letter or any proof that they are not changing the playbook because of Ponder? If so lets see it now.

Besides there is more to football than a QB. Stop drinking the main stream medias Kool-Aid and start thinking for yourself. Also take the remedial English class. You need it!
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Denver, CO

#7 Nov 2, 2013
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GBPmies

Finland

#8 Nov 2, 2013
IF it is the coaching why were the vikes able to make the playoffs last year with such bad coaching? I didn’t hear anyone calling for their heads this offseason. I heard only wonderful things about the vikings from their wishful thinking fans. Just because there is a hint of man love in the air for the player personnel doesn’t mean their ineptness is NOT to blame.

The offense and scoring points really have not been the problem IMO. Sure AD is having a down year and Ponder is mediocre but the vikes have scored points. I think Musgrave is a bit borning as a OC….. Any way back to defense. I don’t care who the coach or coordinator is, this defense is shit. They are weak against the run and horid vs the pass. IT all comes down to the personnel and the vikings don’t have it.

The vikes replaced Brinkley (average) with Henderson (sucks) and replaced Winfield (above average) with Robinson (worst CB in the NFL who has never played slot EVER). Brinkley and Winfield were pretty tough against the run and at least help give the vikes one strength, something truly lacking this year. Henderson and Robinson are just junk and have been abused by pretty much every defense they have faced and it won’t change. The rest of the CBs suck too. Cook is always hurt and sucks anyway and Rhodes is rookie taking his lumps.

Sure the vikes could play Floyd more but I have heard he is ‘WEAK’ as in ‘NOT TOUGH’ and has short arms and is easily over powered. It is easy as a fan to say he should play but I doubt it is a mistake by coaches missing out on his abilities. Maybe there is a reason he fell to the vikes.
Sure blame the coaches that way after a coaching change you can resume your wishful thinking that the vikes are actually good. Truth is the defense is weak, old, and the youth is not stepping up but getting destroyed.

In short I blame Spielman and the players. The players suck and that is the GM’s ineptness.
I Know I Know

Mequon, WI

#9 Nov 3, 2013
viking nation wrote:
2011 draft did give the Vikes Kyle Rudolph Not all 7 picks of the draft is going to be a good pick This is why its held every year. A team is lucky if they get a player or two out of the 7 picks. I think this last draft was pretty good Patterson is a good pick The thing is he isn't being used in the passing game . Floyd is a solid player but isn't being used as much as Guion on the defense. Guion really never showed much, so why not give Floyd more playing time. We can't blame Spielman for who Frazier is putting on the field or the bad play calling. Ponder has been with the Vikes for three years & Frazier still has a vanilla playbook, Once more Spielman has nothing to do with that. We can't blame how each player is being used or a bad game plan on Spielman. We was told Fraziers was this great defensive coach & really I havn't seen any proof of it The Vikes secondary has been bad from day one that Frazier has taken over. I myself don't think Frazier should have lasted as a defensive coach with his years of a bad secondary & he never should have been made head coach. Frazier hand picked this staff of coaches that has a vanilla offense & defense not Spielman. I ask is it Spielman that can't change the game plan in mid game. During the 10-6 season how many times did we see how Fraziers wouldn't adjust his game plan & ended up losing them games because of it. The Vikings would have had a better record then the 10-6 & maybe even won the division if he had. Frazier is the only one to blame for the way this team has fell apart the way it has

Agreed. Not impressive as a defensive coach. Why would someone think he'd make a good head coach? A few more years wasted in Viking land while AP languishes.
I Know I Know

Mequon, WI

#10 Nov 3, 2013
GBPmies wrote:
IF it is the coaching why were the vikes able to make the playoffs last year with such bad coaching? I didn’t hear anyone calling for their heads this offseason. I heard only wonderful things about the vikings from their wishful thinking fans. Just because there is a hint of man love in the air for the player personnel doesn’t mean their ineptness is NOT to blame.
The offense and scoring points really have not been the problem IMO. Sure AD is having a down year and Ponder is mediocre but the vikes have scored points. I think Musgrave is a bit borning as a OC….. Any way back to defense. I don’t care who the coach or coordinator is, this defense is shit. They are weak against the run and horid vs the pass. IT all comes down to the personnel and the vikings don’t have it.
The vikes replaced Brinkley (average) with Henderson (sucks) and replaced Winfield (above average) with Robinson (worst CB in the NFL who has never played slot EVER). Brinkley and Winfield were pretty tough against the run and at least help give the vikes one strength, something truly lacking this year. Henderson and Robinson are just junk and have been abused by pretty much every defense they have faced and it won’t change. The rest of the CBs suck too. Cook is always hurt and sucks anyway and Rhodes is rookie taking his lumps.
Sure the vikes could play Floyd more but I have heard he is ‘WEAK’ as in ‘NOT TOUGH’ and has short arms and is easily over powered. It is easy as a fan to say he should play but I doubt it is a mistake by coaches missing out on his abilities. Maybe there is a reason he fell to the vikes.
Sure blame the coaches that way after a coaching change you can resume your wishful thinking that the vikes are actually good. Truth is the defense is weak, old, and the youth is not stepping up but getting destroyed.
In short I blame Spielman and the players. The players suck and that is the GM’s ineptness.


The Vikings were 10 & 6 and made the playoffs because of one and only one person - AP, and in spite of lousy coaching and management. All the off-season trash talking was because all Viking fans are expecting last years performance to be indicative of the next year's performance. This year, no AP running over, around and through defenses, and the team's coaching and management is being exposed. The talent is not there and the team is getting older. This team is an absolute mess, and it will take years to fix it.

Sorry Viking fans.

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