Spielman credits Ponder as much as Pe...

Spielman credits Ponder as much as Peterson

There are 89 comments on the Fox Sports story from May 8, 2013, titled Spielman credits Ponder as much as Peterson. In it, Fox Sports reports that:

Adrian Peterson nearly set the NFL's all-time single-season rushing mark last year, but general manager Rick Spielman said Christian Ponder should receive just as much credit as Peterson for the Vikings' playoff berth.

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#41 May 10, 2013
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IMO Ponder will be fine this year.Things take time,and he now has faced quite a few defenses.I'm pretty sure the offensive game plans last year were designed for the TE's and slot receiver's.After all we didn't have deep threats.8/9 in the box would work just fine for stopping the run and short passes.Ponder was able to handle the short stuff.
So now,maybe we can go deep,we certainly have better receiver's,and a developing Qb.Harvin did plenty on those short passes and Wright filled in pretty good when we lost Harvin.
So we'll see.
Beating Houston,Chi.,G.B. down the stretch and needing 4 wins to get in and we did it,including Ponder.And all those teams were 10+ wins.
Ponder also didn't call the play,the OC did.Ponder executed the game plan beautifully.
The other win was at the Rams.A team that SF couldn't beat.
You are fickle. Last season you agreed with Stubby's Ponder stinks Post now you say he's co MVP with the greatest runningbacks of all time. WAY TO COVER YOURSELF AS USUAL, playing both sides.
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#42 May 10, 2013
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IMO Ponder will be fine this year.Things take time,and he now has faced quite a few defenses.I'm pretty sure the offensive game plans last year were designed for the TE's and slot receiver's.After all we didn't have deep threats.8/9 in the box would work just fine for stopping the run and short passes.Ponder was able to handle the short stuff.
So now,maybe we can go deep,we certainly have better receiver's,and a developing Qb.Harvin did plenty on those short passes and Wright filled in pretty good when we lost Harvin.
So we'll see.
Beating Houston,Chi.,G.B. down the stretch and needing 4 wins to get in and we did it,including Ponder.And all those teams were 10+ wins.
Ponder also didn't call the play,the OC did.Ponder executed the game plan beautifully.
The other win was at the Rams.A team that SF couldn't beat.
I agree well said.

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#43 May 10, 2013
From what Sal Paolantonio said I did it again. Geno Smith looks as good as I said he would look in rookie minicamp moving forward.

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#44 May 10, 2013
Looks like my QB tree continues to blossom.

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#45 May 10, 2013
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<quoted text>Right, we can compete with anybody. Our season rest on how good Ponder or Cassel can be. You don't see much in Cassel, I think Cassel is better than Ponder because of the one season he replaced Brady without missing a step. Then again the KC years showed nothing.
You are just verifying what Jared Allen said. Ponder has to step up. All anyone is asking is to give him a chance before condemning him. I'm hopeful that he feels more in control and settles down. He may not have that 100 mph fastball but he actually is fairly accurate up to 20 yds if he has time. I read where Ponder in his last 4 games was 1 of the highest rated QBs, over 86% or something like that.
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#46 May 10, 2013
I been doing some looking at the vikes last 4 games in 2012 in the Bears game Ponder completed 11 of 17 passes for 91 yards & a comp. avg. of 64.7% & a 5.35 yard avg. for the game. The Rams game Ponder completed 17 of 24 for 131 yards & a comp. avg. of 70.8 % & 5.46 yard avg. The Texans game Ponder completed 16 of 30 for 174 yards & a comp.avg. of 53.3% & 5.80 yard avg. The Packers game Ponder completed 16 of 28 for 234 yards & a comp. avg. of 57.1% & 8.36 yard avg. I know a lot of sites say how Ponder did so well in his last four games & if your looking at his completion percentage it looks like he did good but I looked at his total yards & passing yard ave. of each of them games & it's pretty sorry. The Bears game Ponder had 91 yards & other sties will tell you he had a 64.7% comp. avg. not bad at all but his over-all game of only 91 yards is forgot about because the vikes won. I think if they lost that Bears game everyone would have said 5.35 yard passing per yard & a total of 91 yards passing its time to draft a QB. next year.

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#47 May 10, 2013
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I been doing some looking at the vikes last 4 games in 2012 in the Bears game Ponder completed 11 of 17 passes for 91 yards & a comp. avg. of 64.7% & a 5.35 yard avg. for the game. The Rams game Ponder completed 17 of 24 for 131 yards & a comp. avg. of 70.8 % & 5.46 yard avg. The Texans game Ponder completed 16 of 30 for 174 yards & a comp.avg. of 53.3% & 5.80 yard avg. The Packers game Ponder completed 16 of 28 for 234 yards & a comp. avg. of 57.1% & 8.36 yard avg. I know a lot of sites say how Ponder did so well in his last four games & if your looking at his completion percentage it looks like he did good but I looked at his total yards & passing yard ave. of each of them games & it's pretty sorry. The Bears game Ponder had 91 yards & other sties will tell you he had a 64.7% comp. avg. not bad at all but his over-all game of only 91 yards is forgot about because the vikes won. I think if they lost that Bears game everyone would have said 5.35 yard passing per yard & a total of 91 yards passing its time to draft a QB. next year.
Roberto Duran and Ponder have something in common. Duran's most important fight Ponder's game both said no mas.
Consistency is not Ponder's only problem he quit on us in his most important game on his career.
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#48 May 10, 2013
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<quoted text>Roberto Duran and Ponder have something in common. Duran's most important fight Ponder's game both said no mas.
Consistency is not Ponder's only problem he quit on us in his most important game on his career.
You can't blame Ponder for being hurt. The same thing happen to Cutler once & fans still are behind him. If you look Ponder on yards per-game Its as bad as Tim Tebow. You can be fooled if you look at the completion percentage & say hay he shows promise & maybe it does. they must see something were not. You can also say who cares if his total yards a game is under 100 yards passing, He is winning but then can you go to a super bowl with Ponder's passing yard avg. I think we all agree the answer is no. The coaches has got to find a way to get Ponder's yard total per-game to increase or there going to be looking pretty foolish for the pick & time wasted..

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#49 May 11, 2013
And Harvin's stats???Did we have a receiver of note?Was Peterson trying for a record?Were the Coaches all in for same?Do we suppose to be improved at the receiver position for 2013?Will the OC call for more plays in the passing attack?
In Ponders first full season was there any chance,the Coaching called for a plan to let Ponder develop slowly but safely?
I'll wait and see,TY

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#50 May 11, 2013
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<quoted text>Roberto Duran and Ponder have something in common. Duran's most important fight Ponder's game both said no mas.
Consistency is not Ponder's only problem he quit on us in his most important game on his career.
Hope you are just too young, or might know football better than boxing.....Duran won his first belt at 17, and was a killer, while Sugar Ray, was still in grade school......

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#51 May 11, 2013
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<quoted text> Hope you are just too young, or might know football better than boxing.....Duran won his first belt at 17, and was a killer, while Sugar Ray, was still in grade school......
Duran was Mike Tyson before Mike Tyson and like Tyson he quit when fighting someone superior. Sugar Ray hit him so many times thought he was hitting 2 Durans, Duran Duran we got no mas. Tyson was hungry like a wolf when he chewed Holyfield's ear and quit.

Duran is a quitter that's all we know him for.

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#52 May 11, 2013
We know more about Simon Le Bon Roger Taylor John Taylor than your Roberto Duran the quiter.
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#53 May 11, 2013
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<quoted text>Duran was Mike Tyson before Mike Tyson and like Tyson he quit when fighting someone superior. Sugar Ray hit him so many times thought he was hitting 2 Durans, Duran Duran we got no mas. Tyson was hungry like a wolf when he chewed Holyfield's ear and quit.
Duran is a quitter that's all we know him for.
Suger Ray lost that first fight with Duran, it was showed only on closed circuit TV that you could only see if you paid for it at some hall that was showing the fight on it. The fight your talking about is the No Mas fight their second fight a much older Duran.

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#54 May 11, 2013
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<quoted text>Suger Ray lost that first fight with Duran, it was showed only on closed circuit TV that you could only see if you paid for it at some hall that was showing the fight on it. The fight your talking about is the No Mas fight their second fight a much older Duran.
Yes, Sugar Ray made Duran quit No mas give up and his aura has never been the same.

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#55 May 12, 2013
2009 60/790 13.2 catch 6 td 52.7 game
2010 71/868 12.2 catch 5 td 62.0 per game
2011 87/967 11.1 per catch 6 td 60.4 game
2012 62/677 10.9 catch 3 td 75.2 per game
These are Harvins stats for receiving only.
In 09 he had Favre and a deep threat in Rice.
2011 and 2012,was mostly Ponder throwing the ball.2012 was for 8 games before IR.No deep threats or receivers after Rice.
Using this barometer,I'll wait on Ponder,hopefully we have a few receivers capable of getting separation and breakaway ability.
But until then,I'll use what Harvin did as to what I think Ponder can do with a supporting cast.
I find no evidence Favre did more with Harvin than Ponder did.
I find evidence Favre had much more to work with,and I find evidence Favre had much more experience.

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#56 May 12, 2013
The West-coast offense was never designed to be a deep threat offense. Our guards and RT are not great at pass protection and all of a sudden, this is because of Ponders lack of ability? Give me a break. I remember reading somewhere that most of the "elete" QBs do NOT have their average pass go over 8 yards. The main reason those QB have high yardage is the number of passes they throw per game. Almost double of Ponder's. In this offensive scheme, with all the tight reins on Ponder, he is doing as well as any other QB could be expected to do.

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#57 May 12, 2013
Some people you just can't confuse with the truth. It's ver inconveinent.

Ponder is our man, support him!

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#58 May 12, 2013
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Some people you just can't confuse with the truth. It's ver inconveinent.
Ponder is our man, support him!
Stubb I agree that it is getting harder and harder to defend Ponder. I will also admit that since I don't have NFL ticket or direct TV I have very limited input for my opinion.

First lets look at what we have and want to keep. RB is great, K is solid, TE is good, DE is good and LB (Greenway only) is solid.

Now lets look at what we need. I think we can agree that we need one or two more WR's and with Harvin possibly being exiting from the team, that would only put more emphasis on that position.

RG is a position of upgrade, DT could use some help, our secondary is aging and we could always us depth.

so lets do the math: 2 WRs, 1 RG, 1 DT, 1 CB, 2 depth.
there are the seven draft pics. Maybe we could pick up someone in FA and enable us to alter our draft needs. That is a possiblity.

But the bottom line is this, due we want to go out on the limb and get another QB who may or maynot be an improvement? Or do we try to "get by" with what we have and hope that by adding WRs we'll see improvement?

I'm not sure that there is one correct answere. But I'm still holding out that Ponder will improve.

Your thoughts.....
(except WDFP of course).....
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#59 May 12, 2013
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Some people you just can't confuse with the truth. It's ver inconveinent.
Ponder is our man, support him!
Fickle HUH? First you say you can't defend Ponder now you are ORDERING everybody to get on his bandwagon.

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#60 May 12, 2013
I'm on Ponder's side he better not get hurt this year or else.

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