The 2012 NFL Draft

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“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

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Feb 1, 2013
 
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2...

Blackmon finished with 65 catches for 865 yards and 5 TD's.

Percy Harvin finished with 62 catches for 677 yards and 3 TD's (rec).

The Vikings selected Matt Kalil and "improved" the passing attack, falling 3 spaces to 31st in the league.

So, was LT the right way to go over WR? Could have gotten a good LT in round 2, or could have tried to shore up the defense by trading down & selecting Fletcher Cox at DT as I wanted. Remember, we played a last place schedule. Do we feel confident we made the right choice? lots of LT's available this year, 1 wr easily worth a round 1 pick.

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Feb 2, 2013
 
Do you really think Blackmon would have had 865 yds and 5 TDs with Charlie Johnson at LT and Ponder on his back for another sack. When a QB is under pressure they look for slot and TE. Blackmon would have been running dead routes time after time.
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Feb 2, 2013
 
A LT in the long run will have more value then a WR without a front line to block for the QB thats throwing to him.

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Feb 2, 2013
 
Stubby wrote:
Do you really think Blackmon would have had 865 yds and 5 TDs with Charlie Johnson at LT and Ponder on his back for another sack. When a QB is under pressure they look for slot and TE. Blackmon would have been running dead routes time after time.
CJ gave up 7.5 sacks in 2011. Kalil gave up 5.5 sacks. so, two more times on his back. of course, Kalil had the advantage of playing a last place schedule. There are, of course, other options that could have been made than to enter 2012 with CJ at left tackle if we don't spend the top pick on Kalil. Nice straw man argument, though. We didn't win the super bowl. That should be the goal, stubby. so- are we closer now or farther away? some nice left tackles went round two last year, some great left tackles are available this draft. We have no #1 wr & there are none available this draft. You think we have our QB & he needs a WR. Here we are.

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Feb 2, 2013
 
viking nation wrote:
A LT in the long run will have more value then a WR without a front line to block for the QB thats throwing to him.
Niether team in the super bowl-going back for a long run-spent a top round 1 pick on a left tackle. including this year where we see bryant mckinney & Joe Staley.

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Feb 3, 2013
 
CJ gave up those sacks early and was such a turnstile Ponder was running away from left side rush the rest of the season. By the way where did you find your stats as sacks given up is not tracked well. They look like numbers you pulled out of thin air. I can only find reference to 2 sacks allowed by Kalil. Don't make sh!t up.

SF has 3 1st rounders in Staley, Davis and Iupati. With Davis and Iupati both taken in the 1st round. That's how much value 49ers put on O line. So they weren't picked in the top 10 as the last time 49ers drafted in top ten they had zero offense and took Alex Smith then Vernon Davis.

How has three 1st round O linemen worked out for the Niners?

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Feb 3, 2013
 
I'm fine with the Kalil pick.Pro Bowl, division winner,year 1.They can draft OL,with pick 1 again,if a stud is there.

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Feb 3, 2013
 
It's hard to find the sacks figures, takes me a while. can't remember the right key words to search for. mostly get draft prospects as sites don't track it a lot.

Loadholdt gave up 10 sacks last year, i recall, from the list i found. He also gave up 11 penalties. Great run blocker, though. I think it was PFF, but i can't find anything right now & got to go.

Check that out:
http://www.quickfixsports.com/fantasy-sports/...
gives a 3 year snapshot. kinda cool.

Oh, and childress, i have no problem drafting an offensive lineman where we are drafting this year. We're not in the top 5 now. so, you can find guys like Joe Staley where we are drafting this year. I just hate over-valuing offensive linemen. If you can't draft at all, as a team, you end up spending top 5 picks on o-linemen, it seems.

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Feb 3, 2013
 
Purple Faithful wrote:
It's hard to find the sacks figures, takes me a while. can't remember the right key words to search for. mostly get draft prospects as sites don't track it a lot.
Loadholdt gave up 10 sacks last year, i recall, from the list i found. He also gave up 11 penalties. Great run blocker, though. I think it was PFF, but i can't find anything right now & got to go.
Check that out:
http://www.quickfixsports.com/fantasy-sports/...
gives a 3 year snapshot. kinda cool.
Oh, and childress, i have no problem drafting an offensive lineman where we are drafting this year. We're not in the top 5 now. so, you can find guys like Joe Staley where we are drafting this year. I just hate over-valuing offensive linemen. If you can't draft at all, as a team, you end up spending top 5 picks on o-linemen, it seems.
And we used that pick in a trade and cleaned up.DAH

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Feb 3, 2013
 
Here you go, Stubby:
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp...

Looks like my previous post failed. Matt Kalil, 5.5 sacks last year. He played well, but not like an elite. Joe Thomas, for instance, has never given up more than 2 sacks for his career.
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Feb 3, 2013
 
Who is your 2013 draft picks & why?
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Feb 3, 2013
 
If he is still there my first draft pick for the Vikings is WR Cordarrelle Patterson 6ft3 runs a 4.35 to 4.46 40 yard dash. My second draft pick is DT Eddie Vanderdoes 6ft3 runs the 40 yard dash in 512 secs, Bench Max 305, Squat Max 500, Shuttle,4.61 & a 30 inch Vertical He fills a big need & is a perfect fit for the Vikes. My third draft pick is CB Justin Gilbert 6ft0 205 lbs & runs a 4.35 40 yard dash has good size & speed to keep up with receivers & is solid on the run.. My fourth round draft pick is WR Stedman Bailey 5ft10 195lbs 4.35 to 4.40 40 yard dash. & has great hands none better in college ball & has the speed & strength to brakeaway & hands down one of the best receivers I have seen. The Vikes have two fourth round picks & My other fourth round pick is QB Jordan Rodgers Yes Aaron's younger borther He is my sleeper pick stands 6ft1 205lbs runs a 4.69 40 yard dash. in 2012 he completed 60 percent of his passes for 2,539 yards & 15 TDs.& only 5 INTs. He is someone to compete with ponder & would be a solid backup. MY fifth draft pick is Jonathan Brown OLB 6ft1 235 lbs. runs a 4.49 40 yard dash. Brown had 59 tackles 9.5 tackles for a loss, 2.5 sacks, one pass batted & one forced fumble this season. My sixth draft pick is OG Blaize Foltz 6ft4 310 lbs a first team all-MWC guard in 2011,( he is a smart guy & a science major) he's probably as strong as any man in college football. benches 580 & squats 800 & incline benches 530 Wow he is just what the Vikings need on the front line. My seventh draft pick is WR Marcus Davis 6ft4 228 lbs has a 44 inch vertical & runs a 4.37 40 yard dash & good hands this guy is a sleeper not many know about but is a real talent that would be a steal with a seventh pick.

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Feb 3, 2013
 
Purple Faithful wrote:
It's hard to find the sacks figures, takes me a while. can't remember the right key words to search for. mostly get draft prospects as sites don't track it a lot.
Loadholdt gave up 10 sacks last year, i recall, from the list i found. He also gave up 11 penalties. Great run blocker, though. I think it was PFF, but i can't find anything right now & got to go.
Check that out:
http://www.quickfixsports.com/fantasy-sports/...
gives a 3 year snapshot. kinda cool.
Oh, and childress, i have no problem drafting an offensive lineman where we are drafting this year. We're not in the top 5 now. so, you can find guys like Joe Staley where we are drafting this year. I just hate over-valuing offensive linemen. If you can't draft at all, as a team, you end up spending top 5 picks on o-linemen, it seems.
Now you say Loadholt gave up 10 sacks but the Hosted Stats page that you got Kalil's 5.5 says Loadholt gave up 4.5. We know Loadholt gave up double digit sacks and Fusco wasn't much better. I wouldn't put too much value in facts behind that site. Makes me wonder what their data source is.

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Feb 3, 2013
 
PF, forget the tackles, the biggest weak link on Vikings O-line was Fusco. Need a new RG. I don't care if it is free agency or a 4th round. Replacement will still be better than Fusco. He's only good enough for a scout team.

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Feb 3, 2013
 
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Now you say Loadholt gave up 10 sacks but the Hosted Stats page that you got Kalil's 5.5 says Loadholt gave up 4.5. We know Loadholt gave up double digit sacks and Fusco wasn't much better. I wouldn't put too much value in facts behind that site. Makes me wonder what their data source is.
It says Loadholdt gave up 6.5 sacks, actually. The post of mine that disappeared I corrected that. Loadholdt had 6.5 sacks, down from 9.5, but also had 11 penalties. Kalil only had 4 penalties & none of the stupid 15 yarders Loadholdt gets. As for forgetting the tackles, Loadholdt's contract is up. Vikes might be letting him walk, you know. We might be drafting a guy there, too. So, we'll see soon if the Vikes are keeping Loadholdt - gonna take a big contract; more than he's worth imo.

Fusco didn't play very well, but recall niether did sullivan year one. Either guard slot can be upgraded, obviously, but later round picks like a fusco from slippery rock usually take some time. I'm ok letting him ride, if that's what the braintrust decides.
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Feb 3, 2013
 
I know some people wanted the Vikes to draft a DT & not a LT. there was 3 DT drafted in the first round in 2012 Fletcher Cox missed a few games & had 5.5 sacks not bad but really didnt help his team, Michael Brocker he has poor pass rushing technique & Dontari Poe never panned out to be the player everyone thought he was & none made it to the pro bowl. QB RG3 may never be the same player & this was his second time with a acl problem. LT Kilil is a pro bowl player & will only get better as time goes on. I think the vikes made the best choice for the team. kilil will be a pro bowler for years to come.

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Feb 3, 2013
 
Oh, stubby, stats, inc are the NFL's official stats

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Feb 4, 2013
 
Purple Faithful wrote:
<quoted text>It says Loadholdt gave up 6.5 sacks, actually. The post of mine that disappeared I corrected that. Loadholdt had 6.5 sacks, down from 9.5, but also had 11 penalties. Kalil only had 4 penalties & none of the stupid 15 yarders Loadholdt gets. As for forgetting the tackles, Loadholdt's contract is up. Vikes might be letting him walk, you know. We might be drafting a guy there, too. So, we'll see soon if the Vikes are keeping Loadholdt - gonna take a big contract; more than he's worth imo.
Fusco didn't play very well, but recall niether did sullivan year one. Either guard slot can be upgraded, obviously, but later round picks like a fusco from slippery rock usually take some time. I'm ok letting him ride, if that's what the braintrust decides.
I tried the hosted stats site and for Loadholt it shows 4.5 sacks.

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp...

This isn't the site that is the official tracks of stats for the NFL.

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Feb 4, 2013
 
Stubby wrote:
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I tried the hosted stats site and for Loadholt it shows 4.5 sacks.
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp...
This isn't the site that is the official tracks of stats for the NFL.
elias sports bureau is the stat keeper, stats inc is the publisher, of elias stats on nfl.com , is what i think i remember. http://www.stats.com/ http://www.esb.com/about/ # what do i know, though, lol.

anyway, for Loadholdt, http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp... you are right, i can't read at all. He gave up 4.5 sacks, 11 penalties. 2 were holding, 4 were false starts. The ones not broken down are the personal fouls & taunting calls he gets. Quite the improvement. What the official stat places don't track are things like "hurries" or "hits", and in subjective stuff like that Kalil grades out better than Loadholdt.

Anyway, Loadholdt's contract is up. Loadholdt is a free agent. Adrian wants to keep him, PFF has him as #2 run blocking tackle - http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5265/phil...

But, we'll see. Vikes have a cap to work with & I doubt they can keep every one easily. Vikes will have to re-do Harvin, for instance, if they plan to try & keep him and Harvin seems to think he needs elite money.

Here are the viking contracts:
http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/...
free agents:
Devin Aromashodu
Joe Berger
Jasper Brinkley
Jerome Felton
Erin Henderson
Phil Loadholt
Marvin Mitchell
Jamarca Sanford
Geoff Schwartz
Jerome Simpson

Then, the vikes on important players like to re-do with one year left. Harvin & Robison & Everson Griffen probably fall into that category. Should be interesting....

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Feb 4, 2013
 
Keep - Felton, Loadholt, Sanford (never thought I'd say that after last year)

Consider keeping - Schawrtz/Berger (why bother replacing backup O line with other back ups) and Brinkley/Henderson replacing 2/3 of starting LB corps is hard.

I think 1 O-line and 1 LB will be let go.

Shake hand and show them the door - Aromashodu, Mitchell and Simpson

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