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Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#1 Nov 28, 2012
I need someone with time and dead on accuracy to go
"INSIDE THE NUMBERS".
I want to conclusively end the Christian Ponder,is he good enough or not farce.
For startersssssssssssssss
Stats as of today.
228 completions in 359 attempts.that's 63.5% completion rate.
6.1 yds per attempt.
13 TD's/9 pics
sacked 27 times
rating 82.0
Ranked 4th in the league,red zone....Bree's is #1.
What I need someone to do is,
of the 131 incompletions is to find out how many were dropped,ricocheted into a pic,Qb hurries,resulting in a lack of time.And things of this nature in an effort to come up with true #'s.
I remain convinced based on the above stats and watching him play,that we need to upgrade the OL and 1 more quality receiver.
I am not persuaded by people saying the Qb is the problem and can't back it up
not what so ever.
PROOVE IT.
I'm pretty sure those 131 incompletions is a difference maker
and
I'm pretty sure it's in Ponders favor.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#2 Nov 28, 2012
Oh and by the way..........
It's exactly what The Minnesota Vikings grade him on and it's why they say he's the franchise Qb.
I'll bet 1/2 of those 131 incompletes aren't on him.When they fix it,it's the difference on being elite.
everything goes up,
wins,Td's,int's go down,yards per completion go up.
PONDERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRR.

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Since: Dec 06

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#3 Nov 28, 2012
I don't worry about drop passes the spectacular catches even things out. I'm giving Christian Tavaris Jackson (separated at birth) to the end of the year to prove he can be my QB, if not I will Jason Babin him.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#4 Nov 28, 2012
Post 3=evading
which =defeated.
can't back it up
PONDERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRR

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#5 Nov 28, 2012
Who's in favor of selling Avant for crack money and giving to the needy?????
I now see the brilliance of Spielman jumping up and drafting ponder at #13 overall.
131 incompletes of which 1/2 are on wr's and OL--- are the difference of being elite.Fix those OL problems,upgrade at wr and look out.Plus more good news,of the other 1/2 that are on Ponder........as he matures,he'll cut down on some of them.
I think we have the Qb.Plus just like last year,he's tops in the red zone.That's a big indicator.
Magnum Man

Christopher, IL

#6 Nov 28, 2012
Childress wrote:
Who's in favor of selling Avant for crack money and giving to the needy?????
I now see the brilliance of Spielman jumping up and drafting ponder at #13 overall.
131 incompletes of which 1/2 are on wr's and OL--- are the difference of being elite.Fix those OL problems,upgrade at wr and look out.Plus more good news,of the other 1/2 that are on Ponder........as he matures,he'll cut down on some of them.
I think we have the Qb.Plus just like last year,he's tops in the red zone.That's a big indicator.
People tend to forget that Tarkenton had a lot of incompletions. It was not due to inacurracy, it was because Fran threw the ball away to prevent taking a sack. I watched Ponder do this 3 times last Sunday. He had no where to go and no one to throw to. So he pitched the ball away and went back to the huddle. Shows maturity on his part. It also shows that he isn't worried about the stats.

As I have said in the past and will say again. Only one stat counts and that is the W and L columns.

your thoughts........
Procynic

Milton, FL

#7 Nov 28, 2012
Magnum Man wrote:
<quoted text>People tend to forget that Tarkenton had a lot of incompletions. It was not due to inacurracy, it was because Fran threw the ball away to prevent taking a sack. I watched Ponder do this 3 times last Sunday. He had no where to go and no one to throw to. So he pitched the ball away and went back to the huddle. Shows maturity on his part. It also shows that he isn't worried about the stats.
As I have said in the past and will say again. Only one stat counts and that is the W and L columns.
your thoughts........
Wow Magnum, you are actually looking at the big picture instead of microscoping one single player! Better be careful or the clueless one will try to "school" you with his expert NFL analysis (yes, that was extreme sarcasm). Anyway, its hard to evaluate the offense or defense with pieces still missing. For instance, the Vikes have no #1 WR, I counted at least 4 dropped passes by Simpson, and Jenkins isnt exactly a burner going down-field. A big, fast, reliable receiver combined with more time from the OL (also need upgrade), Harvin, Peterson, and Rudolph(Jarius Wright too) would be wonderful. Like I said, they have a start, I think Ponder has the smarts and ability, just not all the tools required for a fair evaluation. Same with defense, really like what I see from Harrison Smith so far, Everson Griffen has proven he can be a disruptive force. I wouldnt even consider trading J. Allen yet, if you remember, thats what SOME people were saying before last year because they think he had lost a step, then he went on to tie the sack record. Again, the thing is to try and complete the team on key issues, seems a lot of folks forgot the Vikings are in rebuild mode.
Magnum Man

Christopher, IL

#8 Nov 28, 2012
Procynic wrote:
<quoted text>Wow Magnum, you are actually looking at the big picture instead of microscoping one single player! Better be careful or the clueless one will try to "school" you with his expert NFL analysis (yes, that was extreme sarcasm). Anyway, its hard to evaluate the offense or defense with pieces still missing. For instance, the Vikes have no #1 WR, I counted at least 4 dropped passes by Simpson, and Jenkins isnt exactly a burner going down-field. A big, fast, reliable receiver combined with more time from the OL (also need upgrade), Harvin, Peterson, and Rudolph(Jarius Wright too) would be wonderful. Like I said, they have a start, I think Ponder has the smarts and ability, just not all the tools required for a fair evaluation. Same with defense, really like what I see from Harrison Smith so far, Everson Griffen has proven he can be a disruptive force. I wouldnt even consider trading J. Allen yet, if you remember, thats what SOME people were saying before last year because they think he had lost a step, then he went on to tie the sack record. Again, the thing is to try and complete the team on key issues, seems a lot of folks forgot the Vikings are in rebuild mode.
I agree there is a lot of changes that need to be made. My original statement was that we can't change QBs like underwear. We've got to stick with what we've got and work it out as best as possible. Maybe in 2 or 3 years I'll want another QB (if Ponder doesn't work out) but for now its stay the course.
Magnum Man

Christopher, IL

#9 Nov 28, 2012
Besides all the guru knows if QBs that are out of our reach in the draft.
Harry

Los Angeles, CA

#10 Nov 28, 2012
Magnum Man wrote:
<quoted text>I agree there is a lot of changes that need to be made. My original statement was that we can't change QBs like underwear. We've got to stick with what we've got and work it out as best as possible. Maybe in 2 or 3 years I'll want another QB (if Ponder doesn't work out) but for now its stay the course.
I say yeah, draft a backup or trade for one.

There is no backup now anyway! But Ponder stays.

3-13 is a big hole to climb out of. And 8-8 looked optimistic not too long ago.

8-8 may be the finish. And thats progress.

Meanwhile, Avant has learned nothing..........

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#11 Nov 28, 2012
Magnum Man wrote:
Besides all the guru knows if QBs that are out of our reach in the draft.
You wanted Brady Quinn like the rest of the forum. I got my way with Peterson. You don't have a leg to stand on.

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Since: Jan 08

Yorktown, VA

#12 Nov 28, 2012
The dumbest football poser..I mean dumbest poster of all time tried to compare Ponder to T Joke implying he sucks. Tthe world's dumbest football poster has always been and always will be a Tarvaris supporter and once claimed he would go to 6 consecutive probowls.

He is so dense he didn't even realize by making a Ponder to T Joke comparison to make Ponder look bad he was actually bashing himself for supporting T Joke so strongly.

Biggest grade F so far.

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Since: Jan 08

Yorktown, VA

#13 Nov 28, 2012
Childress wrote:
..
Stats as of today.
228 completions in 359 attempts.that's 63.5% completion rate.
.........
What I need someone to do is,
of the 131 incompletions is to find out how many were dropped,ricocheted into a pic,Qb hurries,resulting in a lack of time.And things of this nature in an effort to come up with true #'s.
Pro Football Focus had 16 drops for Vikings receivers before Bears game. I know in that one I counted at least 7 with 3 by Simpson alone.

I also would say Ponder averages about 4 throw aways a game to avoid a sack due to no open receivers. That's 44 for the 11 games.

If you take away 23 drops and 44 throws aways from attempts then his adjusted completion percentage is 78%.

Bottom line is the receivers are absolutely first area of need. Second area is right guard but it sounds like Fusco is already hsitory so we'll have to see if Schwartz holds up.

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Since: Jan 08

Yorktown, VA

#14 Nov 28, 2012
Another problem is when and where the drops are. Many drops have been on 3rd down and in the red zone. Those are catches receivers have to make. Chris Carter needs to come school them on how that is done.
Procynic

Milton, FL

#15 Nov 28, 2012
Stubby wrote:
<quoted text>
Pro Football Focus had 16 drops for Vikings receivers before Bears game. I know in that one I counted at least 7 with 3 by Simpson alone.
I also would say Ponder averages about 4 throw aways a game to avoid a sack due to no open receivers. That's 44 for the 11 games.
If you take away 23 drops and 44 throws aways from attempts then his adjusted completion percentage is 78%.
Bottom line is the receivers are absolutely first area of need. Second area is right guard but it sounds like Fusco is already hsitory so we'll have to see if Schwartz holds up.
Thats one of the missing pieces I would like to see Stubby. As I said, a big, fast, and reliable receiver, think along the lines of Calvin Johnson. Harvin is one hell of a player, but in my opinion is best suited as an intermediate range receiver, one of his best attributes being yards-after-the-catch. I had hopes Greg Childs was going to be a good find, but blowing both knees may have ended it all for him. Stay the course and make valuable additions to key areas and things may be much better in a couple years.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#16 Nov 28, 2012
Stubby wrote:
<quoted text>
Pro Football Focus had 16 drops for Vikings receivers before Bears game. I know in that one I counted at least 7 with 3 by Simpson alone.
I also would say Ponder averages about 4 throw aways a game to avoid a sack due to no open receivers. That's 44 for the 11 games.
If you take away 23 drops and 44 throws aways from attempts then his adjusted completion percentage is 78%.
Bottom line is the receivers are absolutely first area of need. Second area is right guard but it sounds like Fusco is already hsitory so we'll have to see if Schwartz holds up.
That's the difference in Ponder being very good,while making the team the same.
I remain convinced we need a top Wr and a OL that provides peace of mind and time for routes to develop.It's what all the elite Qb's have.
These anti-Ponder fans have failed to date to make their case.You just can't say it.
Procynic

Milton, FL

#17 Nov 28, 2012
Childress wrote:
<quoted text>That's the difference in Ponder being very good,while making the team the same.
I remain convinced we need a top Wr and a OL that provides peace of mind and time for routes to develop.It's what all the elite Qb's have.
These anti-Ponder fans have failed to date to make their case.You just can't say it.
Childress, how nice it would be to have a true #1 WR, Harvin is already excellent, and also add a dangerous #3 (Jarius Wright perhaps ?)to go along with Kyle Rudolph at TE for our receiving corp. And lets not forget a backup or two for depth in case of injury and change-ups
Magnum Man

Christopher, IL

#18 Nov 28, 2012
I think if you look back at recent history. Favre had a receiver to go to in his first year as a Viking. The second year that receiver was missing and the record shown it.

We haven't had a WR since then and our record shows it.

We are also doing Peterson a disfavor by not having a go to guy. Imagine if opponents had to drop safetys, linbackers and CB out to cover a ligitimate passing threat? Peterson would be running wild.

WR is the #1 priority (IMO) for the next draft. If we have a good WR, that will open up the game for everybody and everybody will look better.

your thoughts......

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#19 Nov 29, 2012
Magnum Man wrote:
I think if you look back at recent history. Favre had a receiver to go to in his first year as a Viking. The second year that receiver was missing and the record shown it.
We haven't had a WR since then and our record shows it.
We are also doing Peterson a disfavor by not having a go to guy. Imagine if opponents had to drop safetys, linbackers and CB out to cover a ligitimate passing threat? Peterson would be running wild.
WR is the #1 priority (IMO) for the next draft. If we have a good WR, that will open up the game for everybody and everybody will look better.
your thoughts......
Getting a ready made receiver in the draft is a tough fill.Better to get a FA and draft a RG or RT in the 1st,or depending on what's available,DT or MLB.I'm not sold on our RT as a pass protector.He can play run D just fine though.

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#20 Nov 29, 2012
Procynic wrote:
<quoted text>Thats one of the missing pieces I would like to see Stubby. As I said, a big, fast, and reliable receiver, think along the lines of Calvin Johnson. Harvin is one hell of a player, but in my opinion is best suited as an intermediate range receiver, one of his best attributes being yards-after-the-catch. I had hopes Greg Childs was going to be a good find, but blowing both knees may have ended it all for him. Stay the course and make valuable additions to key areas and things may be much better in a couple years.
Harvin could be Steve Smith in his heyday if Ponder was consistent. We do need more athletic receivers I have scouted them already when we give are annual run up to the draft I'll reveal their names.

I also think we are drafting a QB next year or bring in Vick or Smith, NOWAY are we going into the 2013 season with Ponder floundering like he is now.

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