What Must Ponder Do in 2013?

What Must Ponder Do in 2013?

There are 421 comments on the The Daily Norseman story from May 11, 2013, titled What Must Ponder Do in 2013?. In it, The Daily Norseman reports that:

It's not a controversial statement to say that Christian Ponder had an up and down 2012 season.

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GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#143 May 23, 2013
viking nation wrote:
<quoted text>Joe Montana is one of the greatest QB's of all time.The reason he slipped till the third round in the draft was because many scouts questioned his arm strength. like they do Ponder's. Joe Montana was so great because he was one of the most accurate QB's to ever play the game not because he had one of the strongest arms & the same goes for Tom Brady he is not a strong arm QB. What really separates the great QBs from others isn't their ability to thorw the deep ball, " it's their visual awareness of the field." In the west coast offense all one got to do is make short throws and the occasional play-action deep ball. That offense doesn't require you to thread the needle against elaborate and thick down-field coverages which would require a lot of arm strength. Throwing the deep ball wasn't a strength of Montana's & with Ponders short throw accuracy ( & you see the his stats above ) he like Montana doesn't need throwing power to take his team to a super bowl.
As you said, Montana was one of the most accurate ever. He could an did throw deep very well. If you don't believe me, ask Jerry Rice. Tell yourself any lie that you need to tell yourself. The rest of the world knows Ponder is no Montana.

“MN Viking fan in Kansas”

Since: Apr 13

Huron, South Dakota

#144 May 23, 2013
Packer Backer WichitaKs wrote:
<quoted text>Keep in mind that Montana and Brady had pretty good teams surrounding them. As GBPfan says it is a TEAM game. Can Ponder and the Vikings say the same, that they have a good team surrounding him? We'll see.
A Packer Backer in Wichita....Can this be?
Over-all, I'd say the Vikes do have a good team, they did make the play-offs. I do not think Ponder is the problem but he will take the fall if they fail. More likely, it is Musk-rat calling the offensive plays. No, Ponder is not blessed with the arm Rodgers has, few QBs are...that does not mean he can't make all the throws required in the West Coast offense.

“MN Viking fan in Kansas”

Since: Apr 13

Huron, South Dakota

#145 May 23, 2013
GBPfan wrote:
<quoted text>
As you said, Montana was one of the most accurate ever. He could an did throw deep very well. If you don't believe me, ask Jerry Rice. Tell yourself any lie that you need to tell yourself. The rest of the world knows Ponder is no Montana.
Montana could throw deep, as can Ponder. However, the West Coast offense is designed for quick, short passes, to take advantage of the skills others possess, not only the QB. Can anyone here actually say the WRs surrounding Ponder were high quality? I think not. And when passing, Ponder had the least time of all our divison QBs. Let's hope some of the improvements they've made help Ponder improve also. Ponder may not be as good as we hope but he damn sure isn't as bad as you want him to be. Me thinks you are scared.
viking nation

Madera, CA

#146 May 23, 2013
I guess what im saying is in this west coast offense Ponder doesn't need to throw deep several times a game. I know Ponder doesn't have the arm of Joe Flacco but he has thrown deep & yes he is better in the short game. If you look at Harvin leading in receiving yards last season That's all done with short passes. Ponder's short game accuracy is as good as any QB playing today & his stats show that, its not just a vikings fan saying so. Its his total yard output for a full game that has me & experts saying can he show he is ready to move to that next level I think. With 9 games under 200 yards total, even if he won its sorry & something to worry about in the future.
viking nation

Madera, CA

#147 May 23, 2013
Kanfan wrote:
<quoted text>A Packer Backer in Wichita....Can this be?
Over-all, I'd say the Vikes do have a good team, they did make the play-offs. I do not think Ponder is the problem but he will take the fall if they fail. More likely, it is Musk-rat calling the offensive plays. No, Ponder is not blessed with the arm Rodgers has, few QBs are...that does not mean he can't make all the throws required in the West Coast offense.
Looks like we are saying pretty much the same thing, If I had looked first at your post I wouldn't have posted mine sorry but its nice to know im not alone in my thoughts.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#148 May 23, 2013
Kanfan wrote:
<quoted text>Montana could throw deep, as can Ponder. However, the West Coast offense is designed for quick, short passes, to take advantage of the skills others possess, not only the QB. Can anyone here actually say the WRs surrounding Ponder were high quality? I think not. And when passing, Ponder had the least time of all our divison QBs. Let's hope some of the improvements they've made help Ponder improve also. Ponder may not be as good as we hope but he damn sure isn't as bad as you want him to be. Me thinks you are scared.
The difference between Ponder and Montana is that Joe could complete the deep passes. And of course the receivers around Ponder are low quality. Just as the receivers around every crappy QB are low quality. And believe me Ponder is every bit as bad as I want him to be.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#149 May 23, 2013
viking nation wrote:
I guess what im saying is in this west coast offense Ponder doesn't need to throw deep several times a game. I know Ponder doesn't have the arm of Joe Flacco but he has thrown deep & yes he is better in the short game. If you look at Harvin leading in receiving yards last season That's all done with short passes. Ponder's short game accuracy is as good as any QB playing today & his stats show that, its not just a vikings fan saying so. Its his total yard output for a full game that has me & experts saying can he show he is ready to move to that next level I think. With 9 games under 200 yards total, even if he won its sorry & something to worry about in the future.
Next level? The level beyond Flacco's Super Bowl win? Wake up! You are dreaming. Do Ponder a favor. Stop comparing him to good QBs or people might start to expect him to play like them.
viking nation

Madera, CA

#150 May 23, 2013
GBPfan wrote:
<quoted text>
Next level? The level beyond Flacco's Super Bowl win? Wake up! You are dreaming. Do Ponder a favor. Stop comparing him to good QBs or people might start to expect him to play like them.
Read all of this it talks about Ponder & Flacco..http://www.knowitallfo otball.com/2013/05/20/minnesot as-christian-ponder-rodney-dan gerfield-nfl-quarterbacks/

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#152 May 23, 2013
GBPfan wrote:
<quoted text>
Next level? The level beyond Flacco's Super Bowl win? Wake up! You are dreaming. Do Ponder a favor. Stop comparing him to good QBs or people might start to expect him to play like them.
According to Musgrave Ponders development is just about where it should be when you compare him to say Matt Ryan in his first year,Ponder first year-TD-18,int 12,yds 2,935,rtg 81.2...Matt Ryan first year,TD-16,int-11,yds-3,440,rt g 87.7.I know theres variables such as running back and recievers etc.but his numbers arent way out of whack with where Ryan was.And Ryan was ranked the #4th quarterback last year.
viking nation

Madera, CA

#153 May 23, 2013
Ponder is a smart guy & he does have good zip on the ball in his short passing game. I've always said there's something about being able to put 'zip' on the ball -- a guy who can gun it in a window. That's certainly an asset that some have more than others. But the guy who can throw it 85 yards? I've never seen anyone get an opportunity to throw it that far. Most 'go' routes are caught between 44- and 47 yards; you're not throwing it 65 or 70 yards. Arm strength is tied into the intelligence of the quarterback. If he is smart, understands defenses and anticipates his throws well But if he is young or not the brightest guy then arm strength is more important because he will be late on some throws and need a stronger arm to get the ball in a tighter window.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#154 May 23, 2013
GBPfan wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course a QB can make receivers better. THAT WAS MY POINT! Manning makes his receivers better. Rodgers makes his better. All of the great QBs make their receivers better. Yet receiverss go to the Vkings and they don't do better. Gee. I wonder why? Duh!
And I agree that Ponder may end up good "enough" because football is a TEAM game. A team doesn't need the best, or even a top QB. Ponder will provbably never be a top QB. He certainly isn't anywhere close right now. I've never said Ponder won't be good enoughg. I've said the opposite of that by pointing out that it is complete foolishness for some Viking fans to think he needs to be a top QB. He is what he is. Heck, the Packers have positions where they aren't among the top in the league. Does that mean it is impossible to win a championship? Everyone of the Packers record 13 world championships came in years in which the team had deficiencies. EVERY team has deficiencies. QB is one for the Vikings. People can pretend that they don't. The only thing they accomplish is to fool themselves. There is a perfectly good reason the name Christian Ponder never is mentioned when people discuss the NFL's top QBs.
I was kinda wondering why the Packers havent picked up Devin Aromoshodu seeing Rodgers could make him a star.Seems like an awesome deal and you could get him at the minimum.
viking nation

Madera, CA

#155 May 23, 2013
Wes Welker was Brady's biggest weapon, If you can hit a guy in stride on a 9 yard route he can then run 20 or 30 yards. Packers fans know this well its what Jennings did when playing for them & now will do for the Vikings & so will Patterson ,Wright, Rudolph & Simpson .
Packer Backer WichitaKs

Wichita, KS

#156 May 23, 2013
Kanfan wrote:
<quoted text>A Packer Backer in Wichita....Can this be?
Over-all, I'd say the Vikes do have a good team, they did make the play-offs. I do not think Ponder is the problem but he will take the fall if they fail. More likely, it is Musk-rat calling the offensive plays. No, Ponder is not blessed with the arm Rodgers has, few QBs are...that does not mean he can't make all the throws required in the West Coast offense.
I think what it comes down to is this. Can Ponder "manage" the game where it comes down to the Vikings expecting him to win the game for them? It helps so tremendously that he has AP. Do you think in the 4th qtr down by 6 he can drive the team down the field and win you a ball game? All the good to great qb's have done that. Joe Kapp did it, Fran Tarkenton did it, can you rely on Christian Ponder to do it? In the NFL it takes the QB to lead your team down the field in crunch time to produce the winning score in an important game. Do you have that faith in Ponder? Granted, he is a work in progress. But, until he is put in that pressure situation, you won't know. Montana, Starr, Brady, Unitas, both Manning brothers, Elway, Staubach, Favre, Marino, Kelly and a lot of others had that ability to lead their team on the final drive to win a game. Aaron Rodgers has that ability. Do you think Ponder does?
viking nation

Madera, CA

#157 May 23, 2013
This is what was said about Tom Brady...
Tom Brady

Positives: Good height to see the field. Very poised and composed. Smart and alert. Can read coverages. Good accuracy and touch. Produces in big spots and in big games. Has some Brian Griese in him and is a gamer. Generally plays within himself. Team leader.

Negatives: Poor build. Very skinny and narrow. Ended the ’99 season weighing 195 pounds and still looks like a rail at 211. Looks a little frail and lacks great physical stature and strength. Can get pushed down more easily than you’d like. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush. Lacks a really strong arm. Can’t drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral. System-type player who can get exposed if he must ad-lib and do things on his own.

Summary: Is not what you’re looking for in terms of physical stature, strength, arm strength and mobility, but he has the intangibles and production and showed great Griese-like improvement as a senior
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#158 May 23, 2013
viking nation wrote:
<quoted text>Read all of this it talks about Ponder & Flacco..http://www.knowitallfo otball.com/2013/05/20/minnesot as-christian-ponder-rodney-dan gerfield-nfl-quarterbacks/
Ponder is one of the Rodney Dangerfields of the NFL. Just like the many, many other crappy QBs that have played in the NFL.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#159 May 23, 2013
Bleeds Purple wrote:
<quoted text>I was kinda wondering why the Packers havent picked up Devin Aromoshodu seeing Rodgers could make him a star.Seems like an awesome deal and you could get him at the minimum.
Shouldn't you be asking Ted Thompson?
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#160 May 23, 2013
Bleeds Purple wrote:
<quoted text>According to Musgrave Ponders development is just about where it should be when you compare him to say Matt Ryan in his first year,Ponder first year-TD-18,int 12,yds 2,935,rtg 81.2...Matt Ryan first year,TD-16,int-11,yds-3,440,rt g 87.7.I know theres variables such as running back and recievers etc.but his numbers arent way out of whack with where Ryan was.And Ryan was ranked the #4th quarterback last year.
According to me Ponders development is where it should too. LOL
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#161 May 23, 2013
Packer Backer WichitaKs wrote:
<quoted text>I think what it comes down to is this. Can Ponder "manage" the game where it comes down to the Vikings expecting him to win the game for them? It helps so tremendously that he has AP. Do you think in the 4th qtr down by 6 he can drive the team down the field and win you a ball game? All the good to great qb's have done that. Joe Kapp did it, Fran Tarkenton did it, can you rely on Christian Ponder to do it? In the NFL it takes the QB to lead your team down the field in crunch time to produce the winning score in an important game. Do you have that faith in Ponder? Granted, he is a work in progress. But, until he is put in that pressure situation, you won't know. Montana, Starr, Brady, Unitas, both Manning brothers, Elway, Staubach, Favre, Marino, Kelly and a lot of others had that ability to lead their team on the final drive to win a game. Aaron Rodgers has that ability. Do you think Ponder does?
If they think he does, does that mean he does?
viking nation

Madera, CA

#162 May 24, 2013
Packer Backer WichitaKs wrote:
<quoted text>I think what it comes down to is this. Can Ponder "manage" the game where it comes down to the Vikings expecting him to win the game for them? It helps so tremendously that he has AP. Do you think in the 4th qtr down by 6 he can drive the team down the field and win you a ball game? All the good to great qb's have done that. Joe Kapp did it, Fran Tarkenton did it, can you rely on Christian Ponder to do it? In the NFL it takes the QB to lead your team down the field in crunch time to produce the winning score in an important game. Do you have that faith in Ponder? Granted, he is a work in progress. But, until he is put in that pressure situation, you won't know. Montana, Starr, Brady, Unitas, both Manning brothers, Elway, Staubach, Favre, Marino, Kelly and a lot of others had that ability to lead their team on the final drive to win a game. Aaron Rodgers has that ability. Do you think Ponder does?
I don't think you can judge a QB on his come from behind wins. Look at Tim Tebow he had 6 fourth quarter comebacks, 7 game winning drives. Ponders has had 1 4th quarter comebacks & 3 game winning drives. here is a chart with QBs comeback wins..http://www.pro-football- reference.com/leaders/gwd_care er.htm
viking nation

Madera, CA

#163 May 24, 2013

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